fish wrote:Barto wrote:All three parties (SANFL, AFL and Port themselves) are to blame.
I thought it was all Norths fault.
Lucky North came along to take the heat off the Bays.
by Barto » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:36 pm
fish wrote:Barto wrote:All three parties (SANFL, AFL and Port themselves) are to blame.
I thought it was all Norths fault.
by Psyber » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:37 am
Sorry Booney, I think Port still have to wear it for starting the whole thing when they tried to join the VFL behind every else's back, and pushed the SANFL into forming a team for the eventual AFL at all.Booney wrote: So who is at fault o-keeper of the wisdom? The SANFL? The AFL?
by Booney » Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:55 am
by CENTURION » Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:57 am
Booney wrote:Is this debate ever going to reach and end? Really, 20 plus years of the same arguments over and bloody over.
Sick to bloody death of every bloke who "knows someone" holding all the answers. Nobody does, nobody can, nobody will ever be able to solve such a complex situation.
I wish you all luck in working it out.
by Booney » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:02 am
CENTURION wrote:Booney wrote:Is this debate ever going to reach and end? Really, 20 plus years of the same arguments over and bloody over.
Sick to bloody death of every bloke who "knows someone" holding all the answers. Nobody does, nobody can, nobody will ever be able to solve such a complex situation.
I wish you all luck in working it out.
yes, it's a bit like your avatar!
by Barto » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:26 am
Booney wrote:CENTURION wrote:Booney wrote:Is this debate ever going to reach and end? Really, 20 plus years of the same arguments over and bloody over.
Sick to bloody death of every bloke who "knows someone" holding all the answers. Nobody does, nobody can, nobody will ever be able to solve such a complex situation.
I wish you all luck in working it out.
yes, it's a bit like your avatar!
True.But everyone else is now barracking for the black and white one to win as they're all sick of the little red,white and blue one winning.
by Royal City » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:56 am
Booney wrote:Is this debate ever going to reach and end? Really, 20 plus years of the same arguments over and bloody over.
Sick to bloody death of every bloke who "knows someone" holding all the answers. Nobody does, nobody can, nobody will ever be able to solve such a complex situation.
I wish you all luck in working it out.
by oldfella » Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:31 am
by csbowes » Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:44 am
by Barto » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:56 pm
csbowes wrote:First and foremost, (because people continually seem to want to overlook this point) the SANFL was forced into joining the expanded VFL not by Port Adelaide alone, it was inevitable from 1987 when the WAFL joined. There was no way the SANFL was going to be able to hold out against a national league, so seriously, get over it, we were joining it whether we liked it or not. Secondly, when the second license was going to be handed out, lets remember that every single club just about, tried to get their dirty little paws on that second license, oh we're great, pick us, blah blah blah, crap crap crap, I wonder how different people's opinion would be had the Norwood-Sturt or some other dumb ass combination bid won the second license, Port clearly deserved that license.
by Barto » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:02 pm
csbowes wrote:It was the VFL expanding and the WAFL succumbing. Had the WAFL held out, the SANFL wouldn't have joined.
by Hondo » Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:36 pm
by Booney » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:48 am
Royal City wrote:Booney wrote:Is this debate ever going to reach and end? Really, 20 plus years of the same arguments over and bloody over.
Sick to bloody death of every bloke who "knows someone" holding all the answers. Nobody does, nobody can, nobody will ever be able to solve such a complex situation.
I wish you all luck in working it out.
it's quite simple. I blame whoever used the forecasted profit figures for PAFC entering the AFL using a crowd of about 40000. To quote Bucky Cunningham "we will have fans hanging from the rafters of footy park if we are granted entry into AFL". Quite predictably It hasn't exactly worked out that way.
I believe Mr Rucci wrote an article about port fans during the week. It's time to face facts port are never going to get 40000 to Rock up every fortnight . The club is doing everything possible the
fans know of the clubs financial plight and they still don't rock up.
You can try and pass the buck and blame the SANFL and footy park (both of which have Been constants in your clubs history) for the crowds dropping off. But I honestly believe it is easier to
get to Aami stadium now with bus lanes etc... Than a decade ago when your crowds were up about 35000. The weather in the last ten Years has not changed that much for this winter sport that you can blame the rain.
If port cant gain more than 28000 (break even point at Aami) then you are consistently going to lose money. It is pretty simple. How that is The sanfls fault for funding/trusting you to gain a loyal fan base like you told us you would is a disgrace. or the fact that in the last 13 years
no plan B has ever been formed incase you don't get the fans on Mass as you forecasted is nobody elses fault but ports. The club had a field of dreams "if you build us up the fans will come" theory. Only one problem nobody is Interested anymore.
by Psyber » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:39 am
by Royal City » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:43 am
Booney wrote:Royal City wrote:Booney wrote:Is this debate ever going to reach and end? Really, 20 plus years of the same arguments over and bloody over.
Sick to bloody death of every bloke who "knows someone" holding all the answers. Nobody does, nobody can, nobody will ever be able to solve such a complex situation.
I wish you all luck in working it out.
it's quite simple. I blame whoever used the forecasted profit figures for PAFC entering the AFL using a crowd of about 40000. To quote Bucky Cunningham "we will have fans hanging from the rafters of footy park if we are granted entry into AFL". Quite predictably It hasn't exactly worked out that way.
I believe Mr Rucci wrote an article about port fans during the week. It's time to face facts port are never going to get 40000 to Rock up every fortnight . The club is doing everything possible the
fans know of the clubs financial plight and they still don't rock up.
You can try and pass the buck and blame the SANFL and footy park (both of which have Been constants in your clubs history) for the crowds dropping off. But I honestly believe it is easier to
get to Aami stadium now with bus lanes etc... Than a decade ago when your crowds were up about 35000. The weather in the last ten Years has not changed that much for this winter sport that you can blame the rain.
If port cant gain more than 28000 (break even point at Aami) then you are consistently going to lose money. It is pretty simple. How that is The sanfls fault for funding/trusting you to gain a loyal fan base like you told us you would is a disgrace. or the fact that in the last 13 years
no plan B has ever been formed incase you don't get the
fans on Mass as you forecasted is nobody elses fault but ports. The club had a field of dreams "if you build us up the fans will come" theory. Only one problem nobody is Interested anymore.
Play shite and get shite crowds. Simple.
Care to explain to us the AFC's financial woes for 2010 and how the Stadium deals we are bound to have impacted upon both clubs?
Now, lets see, who is it that holds us to the Stadium deal? Is it AAMI? Nope. Is it the AFL? Nope. Is it the SANFL? Surely not, there is no way the SANFL would do anything to impact upon its two greatest revenue streams...
by Booney » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:49 am
by Royal City » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:04 am
Booney wrote:I'm sorry, where have I blamed others for our predicament? Find a quote from me suggesting this if you can, or are you just going on what you like to think I/other Port fans have said?
It appears as though you think I am to blame, how so? I'm a financial member of both the AFL and SANFL clubs, I am a season ticket holder to the PAFC at AAMI, I donated out of my own pocket to the Magpies in early 2010.
I am well aware of our financial situation but feel I do what I can to help and see little point in arguing the ins-and-outs of our financial situation as you already have your mind made up and clearly know all the facts....(?)
If you wish to continue this endless diatribe on a subject you seem to know quite a bit about you shall be doing it on your own.
by Booney » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:30 am
by Voice » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:39 am
by Royal City » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:50 am
Booney wrote:How about you do everyone a favour and agree to stop posting?![]()
Let me know when you have the problem solved, I'll be interested in your findings.
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