Round 20 West v Sturt Review

[therisingblues]

all i will say sturt draw a crowd of frontrunners
westies dont
so who does the leaque want in the finals
its all about money

So how shit did your side play again?

[Jimmy]

RAB, I assume that the west officials are taking the matter up with the league and the umpires?

Blacky, you have trotted out that line about frontrunners since the footysa days. You were wrong then and you are wrong now, you just sound like an old man angry at the world. Time to move on. Actually its been that time for 6 years.

And if you think your in the ball park about rigging who plays finals, you belong in a straight jacket.

[Mark_Beswick]

I think an investigation is warranted - It wasnt a good look for the league and the 3 guys did a great dis-service to their peers in the umpiring fraternity

[nickname]

Whether or not you believe there was more than incompetence at play (and several rational people do), it's beyond dispute that the umpiring standard is utterly hopeless. I wonder what the SANFL's view of the Umpires Director is? If he was a footy coach (or in fact, in any people management position) getting performances like this week in, week out, he'd be out the door.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Whether or not you believe there was more than incompetence at play (and several rational people do), it's beyond dispute that the umpiring standard is utterly hopeless. I wonder what the SANFL's view of the Umpires Director is? If he was a footy coach (or in fact, in any people management position) getting performances like this week in, week out, he'd be out the door.

I agree. I don't think for a moment that umpires are favouring teams in the SANFL, although I do suspect that happens at AFL level where the game borders on corrupt. I do, however, worry that our umpires just seem to be missing the point.

I have actually been at a game where an umpire cheated, and believe me you know the difference between blatant cheating and plain incompetence. The umpire was John Caulfield in 1972 and he was suspended as a result.

[redandblack]

RAB, I assume that the west officials are taking the matter up with the league and the umpires?

Blacky, you have trotted out that line about frontrunners since the footysa days. You were wrong then and you are wrong now, you just sound like an old man angry at the world. Time to move on. Actually its been that time for 6 years.

And if you think your in the ball park about rigging who plays finals, you belong in a straight jacket.

I think all clubs have discussions with the umpire's coach at times, Jimmy.

I was very amused to read that Luke Norman described his players, after the Port game recently, as...



"frontrunners"

One to blacky, I think

[CUTTERMAN]

Except that he was referring to crowd numbers and Sturt being full of front runners as supporters. Wank whichever way you look at it.

[redandblack]

Which is exactly what blacky (not me) has been saying about Sturt supporters for years.

[Inflight]

Hope Sturt get the same umpires against Norwood and Eagles and Centrals then again in the finals and then hopefully the Grand Final because according to most they will help Sturt win all those games with their favoured decisions

Pleeeeease! As if Sturt have never been on the end of suspect decisions. the last night game Sturt played against Norwood the umpires awarded the Legs 5 free kicks from the centre bounce that all resulted in goals

It is swings and roundabouts. At the end of the minor round we will need some meloncholy person to add all the frees for and against for each club and lets see how each team rates.

Yes thats right, 22 rounds 8 teams Frees for tally and frees against tally. This will give us an interesting ladder.
My tip is South will win "frees for" because Liddle gets frees for just rolling up!!!

[SANFLnut]

I appreciate Mal has tried to itemise the decisions and come up with an acurate stat of what he thinks the frees should be, I do have an issue with some of his decisions though. Some of the decisions he has listed were genuinely 50/50 and some went our way while some did not. If a Sturt supporter looked at the same footage he would see things very differently.

The reason Chambers kicked the goal late in the 3rd is because our full back was too far off him and completely misjudged a kick into their forward line. If that same ball had been kicked to Bennets v Nelson at any stage it would have copped a solid fist and been sent out of bounds. We got beaten in too many of those types of contest all day and while the umps did us few favours I don't think they actually cost us the opportunity to win the game.

Our one-on-one contest from guys like Sylvester, Webb, Willits continue to be poor and this is what we should be devoting time & effort to.

[Squawk]

the last night game Sturt played against Norwood the umpires awarded the Legs 5 free kicks from the centre bounce that all resulted in goals

It is swings and roundabouts.

IIRC Sturt had all the attention of the umpires in the first half - including penalising Walker 2-3 times with 25m penalties. Come the second half, there was an about face and Walker himself got a 25m penalty.

Sturt had all the play in the first quarter of that game, and the first half of the second quarter, yet couldn't put any results on the scoreboard. If they had, the outcome of that game could have been entirely different.

I wasn't at the next game at Unley but as I understand, the umpiring was actually worse in that game.

[topsywaldron]

At the end of the minor round we will need some meloncholy person to add all the frees for and against for each club and lets see how each team rates.

I'm pretty sure you'll find some goose in a faded Phil Heinrich duffle coat has already done that this year.

Apparently it showed Norwood had only won games this year because they were being looked after by the umps.

[redandblack]

We all think the umps give our side a rough trot.

The difference in this case is that all observers, no matter which side they support, or as neutrals, were unanimous in their opinion that one side was dudded.

I haven't said this cost West the game at all, but it didn't help their chances.

They certainly have other, bigger problems to overcome, but it didn't help not to get a remotely fair go.

[Blacky]

Except that he was referring to crowd numbers and Sturt being full of front runners as supporters. Wank whichever way you look at it.

well that proves im right nothing but a bunch of frontrunners

[am Bays]

West didn't take their chances yesterday and Sturt were much cleaner in skills, therefore deserving the win.

On the umpiring, we all think we get a bad run most of the time, but this is now the second time in recent weeks where even the opposition supporters have all agreed that West were killed by the umpires.

What bothers me most about that isn't just the goals that result (yesterday several to Sturt while West didn't get a free inside 50), but the effect it has on momentum and the morale of both sides.

Anyway, I look forward to next week with more optimism than most Westies on here.

R&B you are one of the better more balanced posters on here but seriously mate I hope your not referring to the Glenelg game. As I said in that thread I know we got some beneficial decisions but their were equally just as many beneficial ones West got and ones we didn't get and vice versa.

[Blacky]

West didn't take their chances yesterday and Sturt were much cleaner in skills, therefore deserving the win.

On the umpiring, we all think we get a bad run most of the time, but this is now the second time in recent weeks where even the opposition supporters have all agreed that West were killed by the umpires.

What bothers me most about that isn't just the goals that result (yesterday several to Sturt while West didn't get a free inside 50), but the effect it has on momentum and the morale of both sides.

Anyway, I look forward to next week with more optimism than most Westies on here.

R&B you are one of the better more balanced posters on here but seriously mate I hope your not referring to the Glenelg game. As I said in that thread I know we got some beneficial decisions but their were equally just as many beneficial ones West got and ones we didn't get and vice versa.

think you guys got two makes that should not have been paid
one a push in the back
two a drop make that was paid
plus the sheperad in the twos

[am Bays]

LAST QTR
I have not the energy to itemise the last qtr
WA 2 + ST 4 favourable decisions
MATCH TOTAL
WA 10
ST 23

I will bring up the last dubious free kick in the 3rd qtr
FERGUSON ever so slightly nudged GILES free to GILES[result ST 6th goal of match]
In the first QTR FERGUSON was pushed about 3 times as hard by GILES and no free kick [result ST first goal of match]
Sums up the day for WA

This is what Andy Collins had to say to FERGY in the 3/4 time huddle in reference to the GILES nudge by FERGY
"" HOWZAT FOR A FREE KICK HEY."" and Collins laughed ...

all i will say sturt draw a crowd of frontrunners
westies dont
so who does the leaque want in the finals
its all about money

Mal you've been very detailed in listing the decisions West didn't get and the ones Sturt got what about the decisions Sturt didn't get?

Based on my experience in umpiring footy you are making a decision every 30 secs in close contact games sometimes every 20 secs.

I'd be interested in your interpretation of ALL the decisions the umpires were required to make in the game.

[CUTTERMAN]

Except that he was referring to crowd numbers and Sturt being full of front runners as supporters. Wank whichever way you look at it.

well that proves im right nothing but a bunch of frontrunners

Glad you agree with me Wanky

[am Bays]

[think you guys got two makes that should not have been paid
one a push in the back
two a drop make that was paid
plus the sheperad in the twos

Do you know law 14.1? If you did you understand the umpires interpretation of Grima's mark. Not everyone would agree with the interpretation but under the letter of the law the decision could've been made.

Do you want to talk me through the high contact to teh head agianst one of our players that wasn't paid?

In the twos do you want to talk me through the knee to the head that wasn't paid.

MY POINT IS THIS, yes we got some beneficial ones and decisions for Westies wre missed but I bet I could go through the game and find the dodgy ones Westies got and the ones of ours that were missed.

It works out both ways.

[bloods08]

LAST QTR
I have not the energy to itemise the last qtr
WA 2 + ST 4 favourable decisions
MATCH TOTAL
WA 10
ST 23

I will bring up the last dubious free kick in the 3rd qtr
FERGUSON ever so slightly nudged GILES free to GILES[result ST 6th goal of match]
In the first QTR FERGUSON was pushed about 3 times as hard by GILES and no free kick [result ST first goal of match]
Sums up the day for WA

This is what Andy Collins had to say to FERGY in the 3/4 time huddle in reference to the GILES nudge by FERGY
"" HOWZAT FOR A FREE KICK HEY."" and Collins laughed ...

all i will say sturt draw a crowd of frontrunners
westies dont
so who does the leaque want in the finals
its all about money

Mal you've been very detailed in listing the decisions West didn't get and the ones Sturt got what about the decisions Sturt didn't get?

Based on my experience in umpiring footy you are making a decision every 30 secs in close contact games sometimes every 20 secs.

I'd be interested in your interpretation of ALL the decisions the umpires were required to make in the game.

I think you may need to re-read all his posts again.