Andy Collins

[lachlan]

I don' think you can blamne the coach.
The factas are Westies haven't got the cattle

we need

1. 2 Ruckman

2. a Couple of Forwards

3. 2 class midfielders

[on the rails]

I don' think you can blamne the coach.
The factas are Westies haven't got the cattle

we need

1. 2 Ruckman

2. a Couple of Forwards

3. 2 class midfielders

Too simplistic - the West game plan is not exactly set up for attack and high scoring is it based on the majority of the year?

North had 3 ruckman of league standard, enough forwards early on to create a real selection headache and some very good midfielders and look what happened to us with our horrible game plan.

[nickname]

personally i cant see how west can get ahead of any of the five sides above them in 2011

What if, say, we improved?

[Booney]

Looks like Collins has had the time to implement his game style only to find the top of the table clubs play the exact opposite to what he likes to play.

Even the Magpies like to play open attacking football. Sure, we dont have the cattle but I think we have the right formula to succeed.

IMO, Westies at best were treading water in 2010.

[Ronnie]

Looks like Collins has had the time to implement his game style only to find the top of the table clubs play the exact opposite to what he likes to play.

Even the Magpies like to play open attacking football. Sure, we dont have the cattle but I think we have the right formula to succeed.
IMO, Westies at best were treading water in 2010.

Which is why Bamford had an impressive debut season as coach with only a bunch of kids at his disposal, while Collins is buying himself time with these mind numbing tactics

[topsywaldron]

while Collins is buying himself time with these mind numbing tactics

Given he's signed a new two year contract I'd say that worked then.

[redandblack]

I note that Glenelg, kicking with a gale, had all 18 men in defence at some stage against Central, according to the write-up.

All, repeat all, teams get numbers around the contest. The teams that score are the teams with damaging runners, better skills and effective forwards.

[ca]

I don' think you can blamne the coach.
The factas are Westies haven't got the cattle

we need

1. 2 Ruckman

2. a Couple of Forwards

3. 2 class midfielders

Along with just about every other club. I think West have a reasnoble list, good enough to play finals with the right coach.

[redandblack]

We've got the right coach and the list is reasonable, but having the list on the park a bit more often would have helped.

Losing Ronaldson left our ruck stocks thin and meant Willits couldn't play forward. That might be a blessing, as he's stepped up a level. Losing Ferguson for half the season was a huge negative, Hartlett only played a few games, Anderson only played a few games and although Schmidt is a Crows player, he went from a rookie at the start of the year to playing mostly at AFL level.

Despite that and others, we won 10 games which is often enough to make the finals. We weren't good enough against the top teams, but the base has improved greatly, with our Reserves in the finals and the Under 18's second on percentage.

It's easy to just pan the supposed game plan, but a bit of good recruiting might make a significant difference to a team improving each year.

[MagareyLegend]

Sorry, I don't think you have got the right coach.

[blood bath]

Sorry, I don't think you have got the right coach.

Im starting to think that too. Collins maybe in the Neil Craig catergory of looking good on paper with the personal playing achievements and professional employment + study, yet is stubborn and question marks over his game day coaching and reading of the game.

Take yesterday for instance.

Firstly, he didnt make any changes until 1/2 time, when it was too late. We needed to attack as it was a must win, however we continue to flood back, with not one player in our attacking half for much of the first half.

With heavy rain in the 2nd Q we had Bennett, Hartlett and Lobbe in the forward 50, yet no rover in sight (F Caruso and Rowe, both proven goal kickers in such conditions on the bench at this stage)

He allowed Nwd to have extra numbers in defence all day, with McGuiness running the ball out at will as there was no contest due to a lack of numbers.

People are questioning the cattle, I dont think Norwood's line up is any better than ours. Just they play a better style of footy, giving themselves a chance to win every contest, something i wish we did

[hottie]

Totally agree,seen West play,the first game against North was fantastic attacking footy,other games was so defensive it was just a no confidence plan.When the ball would arrive in the forward line,their would be one West player against two or three defenders,near enough possible to score or even to keep the ball down it would be easy to rebound.Roy Laird and Nathan Bassett both said during the season it was a good test for their own teams to play against West and have to learn to play a different game,where patience was needed and work the way through the defensive tactics.

[Blacky]

Sorry, I don't think you have got the right coach.

dont think you got the right one either

[southee]

I don' think you can blamne the coach.
The factas are Westies haven't got the cattle

we need

1. 2 Ruckman

2. a Couple of Forwards

3. 2 class midfielders

Dont we all.....

[redandblack]

Totally agree,seen West play,the first game against North was fantastic attacking footy,other games was so defensive it was just a no confidence plan.When the ball would arrive in the forward line,their would be one West player against two or three defenders,near enough possible to score or even to keep the ball down it would be easy to rebound.Roy Laird and Nathan Bassett both said during the season it was a good test for their own teams to play against West and have to learn to play a different game,where patience was needed and work the way through the defensive tactics.

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So you're saying Collins had an attacking game plan in Round 1, won convincingly and then said "we'd better play a defensive style from now on "

Norwood play a very defensive style, but they're better at it.

[whufc]

Totally agree,seen West play,the first game against North was fantastic attacking footy,other games was so defensive it was just a no confidence plan.When the ball would arrive in the forward line,their would be one West player against two or three defenders,near enough possible to score or even to keep the ball down it would be easy to rebound.Roy Laird and Nathan Bassett both said during the season it was a good test for their own teams to play against West and have to learn to play a different game,where patience was needed and work the way through the defensive tactics.

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So you're saying Collins had an attacking game plan in Round 1, won convincingly and then said "we'd better play a defensive style from now on "

Norwood play a very defensive style, but they're better at it.

i personally think collins doesnt have enough confidence in his players.

whenever they play teams above them especially central they were putting men behind the ball from the opening bounce.

to say westies didnt put more men behind the ball or play a very defensive style of football is blind loyalty. the only team that played more defensive was north adelaide.

[on the rails]

Wrong whufc - when we beat West in our second encounter they flooded worse than us and as a result we won easily and we flooded that day. It only took us or should I say Healy after getting some choice words from a few senior players at halftime of the round 20 game against South to throw out some of the defensive rubbish and half attack!

[lachlan]

West has the right coach for sure. Its very simple to blame the coach

Our Midfield against Norwood was, Ezard, N. Caruso. Rowe, Davies, Piasente & Hill

Norwood's midfield was, Gallagher, Lower, Trotter, Weatherald, Zorzi & Phillips.


No disrespect to the Westies boys they are all hard working players but I know which midfield I would like

[redandblack]

Wrong whufc - when we beat West in our second encounter they flooded worse than us and as a result we won easily and we flooded that day. It only took us or should I say Healy after getting some choice words from a few senior players at halftime of the round 20 game against South to throw out some of the defensive rubbish and half attack!

Thanks for that, otr. I spent years listening to your lectures about my club being unprofessional and having no support. I've watched your club and have decided there's not much there to learn from, so I no longer take much notice of your predictable outpourings any more on the subject of West Adelaide, except to enjoy the venom

I'll now retreat to my bomb shelter to survive your next onslaught

[Bunton]

struggling to cop the "poor Collo - the only reason he is not a premiership coach, is because he has a crap list" train of thinking. The Club has bought in more recruits than you could poke a stick at over the three years that he has been there. Some great, many ordinary like Birss, Krakour, Langford, etc, and some that came and went very quickly, but the point is Andy picked them all, and also moved on many players there were there when he arrived. If the list is crap, then that it his fault - no club in the SANFL has provided more autonomy and transfer-fee cash in recent times than Westies have for Collins.

He needs to live and die by his results - after three years, the excuses are no longer relevant.