Port Magpies Crisis

[Slots It Through]

The noises are getting stronger that the merger will be approved.
No one wants to be seen as the executioner.

Except North Adelaide

[Booney]

The noises are getting stronger that the merger will be approved.
No one wants to be seen as the executioner.

Except North Adelaide

*Allegedly*



*Edit*

The NAFC indeed have no interest in even meeting with the comittee from the PAFC and PAMFC to discuss the propsed model for the propsed merger. PAFC CEO Brett Duncansan confirmed this evening on 5AA that the NAFC do not intend or wish to even review the proposal.

Unbelievable stance IMO.

[Wedgie]

It was mentioned this morning on 5AA that each of the SANFL clubs get to vote, yet also the Country Football Association has a vote in it as well - Rob Kerin is the President.

My understanding is that all the affiliated leagues (including Country, Southern, SAAFL, ,etc) get 1 vote between them.
10 votes in total, 9 SANFL clubs and the affiliated leagues.
I could be wrong.

[beenreal]

The powers that be at Menzies Crescent seem determined to keep the legacy of the 1 goal 8 alive. Good to see.

[bayman]

The noises are getting stronger that the merger will be approved.
No one wants to be seen as the executioner.

Except North Adelaide

*Allegedly*



*Edit*

The NAFC indeed have no interest in even meeting with the comittee from the PAFC and PAMFC to discuss the propsed model for the propsed merger. PAFC CEO Brett Duncansan confirmed this evening on 5AA that the NAFC do not intend or wish to even review the proposal.

Unbelievable stance IMO.

agreed, surely you should at least listen & if the mindset doesn't change then say no but in the best interest of football every league club & those others that vote should at least listen to the proposal, surely that is just commonsense

[71/72]

North were 2 days or so from having the doors shut forever a few years ago but got themselves out of the sh%t , so why can't the invincible Mighty Magpie machine blah blah blah do it??
Bit off more than you could chew when big brother came in huh.
The real losers here are the diehard Port supporters who only barrack for the Black and White model because they won't have a club at all to support......
PS check the score from the 1905 GF.

[Booney]

North were 2 days or so from having the doors shut forever a few years ago but got themselves out of the sh%t , so why can't the invincible Mighty Magpie machine blah blah blah do it??
Bit off more than you could chew when big brother came in huh.
The real losers here are the diehard Port supporters who only barrack for the Black and White model because they won't have a club at all to support......
PS check the score from the 1905 GF.

1905, nothing like bringing up recent history is there?

Anywho, perhaps back in those dark days for North Adelaide the whole financial climat was a little more positive and potential sponsors had the cash at hand in their marketing funds to help the NAFC out.

Perhaps ( and this is using hindsight ) the decision by the Magpies to buy the Prince of Wales Hotel was not as good as Norths decision to build / buy Grand North. ( Clearly it hasnt been - hindsight )

[71/72]

The Port 1897 premiership is one of the 37 you have won or doesn't it count cause its ancient history

[Booney]

No, it counts but reminding me of the 1905 GF doesn't really invoke any memories,good or bad. Where as saying 1989 ( unless you are only 23 or 24 ) surely reminds people of what happened.

[GWW]

I'm sure the total amount of goals scored per game was a hell of a lot more in 89 than 1905, so 1 goal vs 3 or 4 that the opposition kicked, is a bit different to 1 vs 15

[bayman]

btw, i'm not saying they should be helped out, far from it, all i'm saying is it should be listened to first & i do agree they should work through their problems like others have had to do....or a port that 'special' that they aren't allowed to have 'rough trots' ?!!

[stan]

North were 2 days or so from having the doors shut forever a few years ago but got themselves out of the sh%t , so why can't the invincible Mighty Magpie machine blah blah blah do it??
Bit off more than you could chew when big brother came in huh.
The real losers here are the diehard Port supporters who only barrack for the Black and White model because they won't have a club at all to support......
PS check the score from the 1905 GF.

North got themselves out of the sh&t??????....with no help from anybody, even a particular person, who anyone would love to have behind there club.

Still the proposal is about administrations and not about what happened in 1905. So your saying that based on the fact that nobody helped you, even though Im pretty sure someone did, you should not even consider or listen to anything. Mate do you by anychance work for a particular local planning body?

[71/72]

There are quite a few high profile wealthy Port people out there aren't there?
Who cares how you do it, North survived and thats all that mattered to me at the time.

[Wedgie]

North were 2 days or so from having the doors shut forever a few years ago but got themselves out of the sh%t , so why can't the invincible Mighty Magpie machine blah blah blah do it??
Bit off more than you could chew when big brother came in huh.
The real losers here are the diehard Port supporters who only barrack for the Black and White model because they won't have a club at all to support......
PS check the score from the 1905 GF.

North got themselves out of the sh&t??????....with no help from anybody, even a particular person, who anyone would love to have behind there club.

Still the proposal is about administrations and not about what happened in 1905. So your saying that based on the fact that nobody helped you, even though Im pretty sure someone did, you should not even consider or listen to anything. Mate do you by anychance work for a particular local planning body?

Yes, North did, if you're referring to Robert Gerard, he's a supporter (and I think no 1 ticket holder and sponsor at the time), he went guarantor for the club and helped in his way just like other North supporters did. If you can't count your club's supporters, member or sponsors as part of the club I don't know who you can count. He helped out the club he loves as best he could like many supporters/members of the club did.
I think the point being made is that North got no outside help, were given no financial assistance from the SANFL or any other club, they weren't even forwarded any year's dividends. Rumours were some powers that be were quite happy to revert to a 8 team comp at the time and hypothetically speaking find themselves in a very sticky situation now because of it.
I don't agree with North's stance but I can fully understand it having been quite involved with the club when we were at our lowest point.

That's getting off topic a bit though, the point is the Magpies/Power situation is a very unique one, the questions are how much more they're disadvantaged than other clubs? are they disadvantaged? should the Power even exist and as they knew what they were getting into in the mid 90s should both clubs just be allowed to follow out their natural discourse as nothing's really changed since then?

They'd like to be able to share off field administration which is smart business and something a lot of businesses do, one could argue there's nothing stopping other SANFL clubs merging their adminisration with other businesses too. But I suspect their would be suspicioun that not only would give this the Magpies a slight advantage other clubs don't have access too as freely but there might also be behind the scenes benefits which might occur.

A hard one

[NO-MERCY]

North were 2 days or so from having the doors shut forever a few years ago but got themselves out of the sh%t , so why can't the invincible Mighty Magpie machine blah blah blah do it??
Bit off more than you could chew when big brother came in huh.
The real losers here are the diehard Port supporters who only barrack for the Black and White model because they won't have a club at all to support......
PS check the score from the 1905 GF.

1905, nothing like bringing up recent history is there?

Anywho, perhaps back in those dark days for North Adelaide the whole financial climat was a little more positive and potential sponsors had the cash at hand in their marketing funds to help the NAFC out.

Perhaps ( and this is using hindsight ) the decision by the Magpies to buy the Prince of Wales Hotel was not as good as Norths decision to build / buy Grand North. ( Clearly it hasnt been - hindsight )

Apparently their only leasing it.

[Sojourner]

They'd like to be able to share off field administration which is smart business and something a lot of businesses do, one could argue there's nothing stopping other SANFL clubs merging their adminisration with other businesses too. But I suspect their would be suspicioun that not only would give this the Magpies a slight advantage other clubs don't have access too as freely but there might also be behind the scenes benefits which might occur.

I think this the crux of the whole argument, currently Port are having a rough trot on the field as well as off the field, yet no doubt its going to come around at some stage that Port will find themselves back in the five and if the side is seen as being given an unfair advantage by being able to tap into the Port Power resources no doubt some clubs will begin to to get upset and carry on over it, yet by the same token they cant shut the gate either once the horse has bolted, so they would want to be sure they make their decision now and stick to it later on in the piece.

[TimmiesChin]

That's getting off topic a bit though, the point is the Magpies/Power situation is a very unique one, the questions are how much more they're disadvantaged than other clubs? are they disadvantaged? should the Power even exist and as they knew what they were getting into in the mid 90s should both clubs just be allowed to follow out their natural discourse as nothing's really changed since then?

They'd like to be able to share off field administration which is smart business and something a lot of businesses do, one could argue there's nothing stopping other SANFL clubs merging their adminisration with other businesses too. But I suspect their would be suspicioun that not only would give this the Magpies a slight advantage other clubs don't have access too as freely but there might also be behind the scenes benefits which might occur.

A hard one

Yes it is hard, and merged administration would be one thing other clubs would want to be sure was above board. On the flip side of the merged admin being a potential advantage, I'd suggest that the club having to start with very few assets in 1997 presents them with a new disadvantage as unlike other clubs, their asset base with which to borrow against or derive revenue from was crippled. This was how it had to be because the assets needed to be in the main movedto support the AFL side, but it means the maggies probably have the smallest asset set in the comp. (I could be wrong) ... but this makes it hard for them to trade their way out.

[o five]

I'm sure the total amount of goals scored per game was a hell of a lot more in 89 than 1905, so 1 goal vs 3 or 4 that the opposition kicked, is a bit different to 1 vs 15

Both occured last century so you can take that honour my feathered friend.

[Hondo]

I think you can jump at shadows too much and over-compensate for what you think might happen in the future and this is arguably what hindsight has shown happened in 1996 when the PAM and PAP were split the way they were.

I'd have thought you ensure the clubs can survive as priority one and then, if some advantage to the PAM over the other SANFL clubs becomes apparent in the future, jump on it and control it then. Rather than guessing what might happen, deal with what does happen as, and if, it does.

No other SANFL club has a directly linked AFL club competing with it for revenues and assets so I think this is a unique case be it self-inflicted, or not. I actually have faith that the other 8 SANFL clubs will make the right call, whatever it is.

[dedja]

Sorry if this has been posted already but when will the vote take place to determine whether Port's x 2 proposal is a goer for 2010?

Funny how Port seems to polarise opinion ... always have and always will.

I for one hope that they survive.