Security at SANFL Football grounds

[Wedgie]

Wedgie
Can we agree on one thing ?
That there needs to be a concerted effort by whomever or by whatever means to have players protected at all times?

Nah I don't agree, I think security is overstated and things are a lot better at SANFL games than they used to, just my opinion though, others swayed by the media will probably think otherwise.
Mind you if I had my way you'd have 2 cops at each ground instead of a dozen Weslo security and IMHO the 2 cops would probably do a better job.

Irrespective of the pros and cons the rules opinions etc etc etc
If at 3/4 time in the SANFL we have ropes and an abundance of security then surely there has to be a '''''solution''''' as to what happened on Sunday.
Security is there for hours protecting players, crowd supporters etc etc and for the sake of a handful of minutes after a game there is no protection for some players ???
Forget about the issues/facts/common sense we have yo yoed back at each other

The most important thing is something must be done.
Prevention is better than cure .

Definately agreed and I applaud your proactive stance on an issue, but using your last philosophy we'd have games behind closed fences to ensure nothing happens and we'd change the game to non contact.

Once again mal I applaud you on your proactiveness but as per a lot of your posts I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill and there's bigger issues with the SANFL to worry about but I respect your opinion and concern of the players welfare which even they themselves don't share. Keep up the good work though mate. I look forward to your next crusade! I always imagine you and bayman in the SANFL grandstands being like Waldorf and Staedler from the muppets!

[rod_rooster]

SOLUTION
Glenelg needs to rethink about leaving players out on the ground.
The SANFL perhaps needs to contact the Glenelg Football club over this issue.
Security needs to also perhaps liase with the Glenelg Footy Club + the SANFL about the overall situation as well.

Why should the SANFL or the security company contact the Glenelg Football Club? If the Glenelg football club have an issue surely they would contact the SANFL and/or security to discuss it? As far as the SANFL and the security is concerned there are practices put in place and unless these are questioned why would they consider there to be a problem? It's up to Glenelg if (and that's a very big if) they have any concerns.

[Dirko]

Why shouldn't Glenelg be unable to warm down the best way it sees fit. They do it at other Ovals and I've never seen them get hassled or annoyed. Perhaps the Glenelg training staff know what's best for the players, and considering the little amount of soft tissue injuries the Bays get I'd say they're doing a damn fine job.

However when it comes to walking on/off the Oval during the designated times they should have a safe and uninterrupted passage in doing so. Whether that involves ensuring clubs have a fenced/gated race, security etc it doesn't matter, just as long as they can get on/off safely.

[Wedgie]

Why shouldn't Glenelg be unable to warm down the best way it sees fit. They do it at other Ovals and I've never seen them get hassled or annoyed. Perhaps the Glenelg training staff know what's best for the players, and considering the little amount of soft tissue injuries the Bays get I'd say they're doing a damn fine job.

I don't think anyone disagrees with you and they didn't have any trouble with it at Prospect as they haven't at any other ground.
Thats kind of one of the major points, but if they feel their security is being jeopordised with a majority of them walking off the ground after the 2nd siren then they should raise this issue with security and or the SANFL as the 2nd siren was designed to have players walk off the ground with no spectators on the oval and if they are walking off after the 2nd siren its fairly useless.
If the Bays have an issue I'm sure they'd raise it, as they haven't to our knowledge I'm willing to give the Glenelg Football Club a bit of credit for using some common sense as things seem to be working well for them.

Clubs have been warming up for years outside the changerooms (Ive seen this at Prospect, Norwood and Noarlunga most often) and its exactly the same situation, clubs doing that seemed to have got through the last 10 years unscathed and it hasn't been raised as an issue as a bit of common sense has been used.

[mighty_tiger_79]

some clubs even train in the area in the primary school next to glenelg oval in the section just adjacent to the scoreboard

[mal]

1973
Unconfirmed
Players race was shared by all clubs at Prospect
After the conclusion of a North v Centrals match 2 players were involved in an altercation
Since then the Sanfl made it that the visiting team was to use a different exit
My informant suggested from that point on the visitors used the Cricket club changerooms


Also from a Port barracker
Unconfirmed
A Port Adelaide defender was hit by a projectile from the crowd [possibly a stone or rock ??]
This alledged episode happened with the magpies in the 90s


2009
Cain Ackland was involved in an incident


Im sure this happens at all ovals

2009
West V Centrals a player and a spectator in an incident


1970s
A Woodville player assaulted after a game by a waiting spectator

Altercations have happened in the past and will happen again
If Im coming across as a proactivist then sobiet

[grant j]

If the North visitor change rooms were up to scratch this discussion wouldn't be happening.

North needs to get their act together and get some decent visitor change rooms built.
Weren't the SANFL going to give money to the clubs to fix this situation?

[am Bays]

If the North visitor change rooms were up to scatch this discussion wouldn't be happening.

North needs to get their act together and get some decent visitor change rooms built.
Weren't the SANFL going to give money to the clubs to fix this situation?

Ah Grant, as Glenelg supporters that is somewhere we don't go, despite ours being given a lick of paint, carpet and new shower areas with that SANFL money....

Mind you we were going to build new visitors change-rooms with the assistance of that SANFL money (we were going to kick in more $$$ on top of the SANFL's contribution) but they made us spend theres up doing our current visitors rooms

[Wedgie]

I thought the issue was more with security not being out on the oval to escort players off through spectators on the ground?
If the issue is once they get off, then yes North's away changerooms are inadequate and you can add ME's complaint (an my backing up of him) to the mix in that regard.
I think we would still be having this conversation if the changerooms were OK though, if North stayed out on the ground till well after the 2nd siren they'd still have to make their way off through lots of people on the oval as would any team at any oval.

[Thiele]

Dont mind the Vistitors change Rooms at Prospect there is a lot of space. One Room for the players and coach and another room for the Support staff.

[spell_check]

1973
Unconfirmed
Players race was shared by all clubs at Prospect
After the conclusion of a North v Centrals match 2 players were involved in an altercation
Since then the Sanfl made it that the visiting team was to use a different exit
My informant suggested from that point on the visitors used the Cricket club changerooms


Also from a Port barracker
Unconfirmed
A Port Adelaide defender was hit by a projectile from the crowd [possibly a stone or rock ??]
This alledged episode happened with the magpies in the 90s


2009
Cain Ackland was involved in an incident


Im sure this happens at all ovals

2009
West V Centrals a player and a spectator in an incident


1970s
A Woodville player assaulted after a game by a waiting spectator

Altercations have happened in the past and will happen again
If Im coming across as a proactivist then sobiet

1997 was the rock throwing incident at Prospect, Roger Delaney was hit.

[spell_check]

Also, adding to past incidents, in the Kerley/Nygaard match in 1969, a feMALe supporter kicked Kerley, I think?

[southee]

Mike Rann at Prospect comes to mind.....the karate chop incident.

Who could forget......

[mal]

Also, adding to past incidents, in the Kerley/Nygaard match in 1969, a feMALe supporter kicked Kerley, I think?

Rings a bell
Adelaide Hawk might be able to confirm it
Damien Nygaard was a defender come half forward and was from memory in career best form
King Kerley clashed with him and Nygaard broke his jaw in the clash

Also further to hand
1990
Scott Hodges hit by a mud ball about 1990 at Woodville Oval ?

[JK]

Also, adding to past incidents, in the Kerley/Nygaard match in 1969, a feMALe supporter kicked Kerley, I think?

Rings a bell
Adelaide Hawk might be able to confirm it
Damien Nygaard was a defender come half forward and was from memory in career best form
King Kerley clashed with him and Nygaard broke his jaw in the clash

Also further to hand
1990
Scott Hodges hit by a mud ball about 1990 at Woodville Oval ?

Alan "Bull" Reval copped a few from an irate Norwood supporter near the players race at the Parade many many years ago, according to various Port sources.

[therisingblues]

Somebody mentioned Robby Muir a little earlier I think. He jumped the fence because the West Torrens cheersquad was throwing cans at him, as I recall a participant telling me many years ago.

Roger Delaney was hit by a little kid who was a Port supporter who was mindlessly throwing stones in any and all directions, probably not understanding that those things hurt when thrown right. TV showed a group of Port supporters moving in slowly onto a group of North supporters and then grimacing and posing in front of them after the incident, the commentator was worried that something bad was brewing, obviously it got cleared up because there no further notice was paid to any backlash within the crowd.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Also, adding to past incidents, in the Kerley/Nygaard match in 1969, a feMALe supporter kicked Kerley, I think?

Rings a bell
Adelaide Hawk might be able to confirm it
Damien Nygaard was a defender come half forward and was from memory in career best form
King Kerley clashed with him and Nygaard broke his jaw in the clash

Also further to hand
1990
Scott Hodges hit by a mud ball about 1990 at Woodville Oval ?

The Kerley-Nygaard incident was one of the ugliest, if not the most ugly incident I've seen in football, both during and after the game. I'd never seen a crowd so emotional. Nygaard was in sensational form and had just been added to the state squad after migrating from half back to half forward in 1969.

He was heading down the eastern side of the ground towards the parade end and drew Kerley towards him to create the loose man. Kerley's direct opponent, Ray Woolford, dropped back and the handball went over the top for Woolford to goal.

I don't know how many people saw the goal, I still had my eye on Kerley who was headed towards Nygaard. He could have easily pulled up but kept going, brought up the forearm and belted Nygaard in the jaw with his elbow, rendering him unconscious with a broken jaw. You'd get a dozen games for it these days.

I don't understand what was going through Kerley's mind. I'd always known his as a hard tough player, but this was cowardly and the act of a thug. I guess most of the crowd did in fact see it as the reaction whenever Kerley went near the action was electric.

I didn't see it, but apparently a woman did in fact come onto the ground after the game and assaulted Kerley in some way, can't recall if it was a kick. All I can say is with the mood the crowd was in that day, Kerley was lucky to escape with just that. Not condoning it at all, it's just that footy can be an emotional game sometimes, and crowds can over-react.

I left straight after the game, but apparently a number of people were outside the rooms after the game waiting for Kerley to show his face. I think they needed a police escort, but once again, I can't be sure about that.

I've been disappointed over the years hearing certain high profile Glenelg players defending Kerley by saying he had no choice but to make contact with Nygaard. That is absolute garbage, you could have pulled up an articulated vehicle in the time Kerley had to avoid contact with Nygaard.

[drebin]

Somebody mentioned Robby Muir a little earlier I think. He jumped the fence because the West Torrens cheersquad was throwing cans at him, as I recall a participant telling me many years ago.

Roger Delaney was hit by a little kid who was a Port supporter who was mindlessly throwing stones in any and all directions, probably not understanding that those things hurt when thrown right. TV showed a group of Port supporters moving in slowly onto a group of North supporters and then grimacing and posing in front of them after the incident, the commentator was worried that something bad was brewing, obviously it got cleared up because there no further notice was paid to any backlash within the crowd.

After Delaney was hit he ponted up to the North Cheer Sqaud behind the goals and was carrying on - easy just to blame the obvious. Then a couple of bogan bikie wannabe's then decided to try and rough up the Cheer Squad however the North Grog Squad were behind the goals in the other pocket and a couple of Groggies stepped in to deal with the bogans, there was a bit of push and shove before an off duty Police Officer stepped in and restored calm.

It was actually an ABC Technician who reviewed the footage during the game and highligted the kid throwing the rock. He alerted a North Board member and the kid and his father were spoken to just after the game by officials and Police. Despite this being conveyed to Port, the media, Delaney and the then Port CEO carried on like "stuck pigs" about the North Cheer Squad being the perpertrators. They were left with a fair bit of egg on their face when the media finally got it right and reported the correct story and the 'Tiser did a article on the North Cheer Squad as a square up. The most disappointing thing was that the PAMFC or Delaney didn't even apologise publically after their emotive rants blaming the Cheer Squad.

[mal]

There was Norwood player who had a go at an Umpire
The Umpire was Brian Lees
The player ?
The player ended up in jail for about a couple of weeks ?

Anyone recall this one ?
Was it during or after the game ?

[mal]

1973
Some things from that year
Sam on the TV show Life On Mars [not an alien] wakes up in a coma in 1973
I passed and obtained my Intermediate Certificate
Glenelg won the premiership and doubled thier premiership tally
And
11/08/73 RD 18 PROSPECT OVAL
NA...8-3...12-5...18-9...23-10
CD...3-2.....7-6...12-9...16-10

North Adelaide trainer Bert Challans was struck in the head area and knocked out
The incident happened near the players race as both teams were exiting the ground
This followed a game that was marred by incidents
Full forward Gary Jones was reported by Umpire Murray Ducker for alledgedly striking Norths Bronte Mumford
Late in the game North coach Mike Patterson got his runner out to Neil Sachse and told him to go the opposite end of the ground.

The player implicated in the incident with Challans was Centrals Phil Haughan
There was talk soon after the game of North instigating legal action
There was also talk that Centrals was considering instituting criminal proceedings which occured in that game
Another person has told me that later the trainer was guilty of misconduct
Who knows ?

Does anyone remember this game ????????????????????????????????????????????????????

SUMMARY
I dont know what happened with the incident
But it did happen
There is another report that the players were at each other in the players race

This game has been linked to when the visiting teams were segregated to exit where they do presently, being near the cricket bar[bar at times now worked by Mark Eaton who is a top bloke]

PS
From the Advertiser
Dennis Sasche the man mountain kicked 8 goals
Best player for North was the legend Barrie Robran