Changes to the Salary Cap

[am Bays]

I actually think Glenelg have improved this year. Not aesthetically as we played more attractive football last year but we are better this year in our ability to maintain our workrate and resilience to stick to our jobs to get wins. Yes some of the footy has been ugly at times as we have tried to develop a new tactic but all in all I think we have improved.

Whether that improvement is enough to win on the first Sunday in October remains to be seen (will we even make it) as Central and Sturt are formidable opponents.

[Wedgie]

I actually think Glenelg have improved this year. Not aesthetically as we played more attractive football last year but we are better this year in our ability to maintain our workrate and resilience to stick to our jobs to get wins. Yes some of the footy has been ugly at times as we have tried to develop a new tactic but all in all I think we have improved.

Whether that improvement is enough to win on the first Sunday in October remains to be seen (will we even make it) as Central and Sturt are formidable opponents.

Fair enough, you've seen them more than me. I've only seen them twice and they were goddamn awful and about a 15 goal worse side than what I saw last year but they must have been off weeks.

[TimmiesChin]

Because they're more interested in how much money they can lay out to Port or how hot the chips are for Crows supporters. Be interesting to see the total number of SANFL games all of those commissioners have been to recently. Get rid of them, get the clubs to run the SANFL, the commissioners can serve hotdogs at Football Park.

Most of these reserves players get paid a pittance now, they put in almost as much time as AFL players into training, to cut their payments is an absolute disgrace and shows these clowns have absolutely no idea. The SANFL players should get some sort of players union involved too.

Lets be realistic though. The SANFL clubs do NOT generate enough revenue to be self sufficient. While you want to have a crack at Port and the Crows, the revenue that they bring into the SANFL is a big part of the funding that goes to the SANFL clubs from the SANFL.

To draw an analogy, the SANFL clubs are like pensioners, are not self sufficent and rely on taxes being collected from the workforce to sustain them. You can only increase taxes so far before the workforce can no longer survive.... more importantly - you need a healthy workforce, to generate the revenue needed to assist the pensioners.

[doggies4eva]

Because they're more interested in how much money they can lay out to Port or how hot the chips are for Crows supporters. Be interesting to see the total number of SANFL games all of those commissioners have been to recently. Get rid of them, get the clubs to run the SANFL, the commissioners can serve hotdogs at Football Park.

Most of these reserves players get paid a pittance now, they put in almost as much time as AFL players into training, to cut their payments is an absolute disgrace and shows these clowns have absolutely no idea. The SANFL players should get some sort of players union involved too.

Lets be realistic though. The SANFL clubs do NOT generate enough revenue to be self sufficient. While you want to have a crack at Port and the Crows, the revenue that they bring into the SANFL is a big part of the funding that goes to the SANFL clubs from the SANFL.

To draw an analogy, the SANFL clubs are like pensioners, are not self sufficent and rely on taxes being collected from the workforce to sustain them. You can only increase taxes so far before the workforce can no longer survive.... more importantly - you need a healthy workforce, to generate the revenue needed to assist the pensioners.

OK I'll be realistic. The clubs (when they are properly run) spend what they can each year on football while ensuring that their revenue sources remain viable businesses. This revenue for most clubs is pokie money plus an annual SANFL distribution. You call it taxes, I call it a return on the investment that they have made into Footy Park and 2 AFL licences.

[TimmiesChin]

OK I'll be realistic. The clubs (when they are properly run) spend what they can each year on football while ensuring that their revenue sources remain viable businesses. This revenue for most clubs is pokie money plus an annual SANFL distribution. You call it taxes, I call it a return on the investment that they have made into Footy Park and 2 AFL licences.

They dont have an investment into the licenses - the AFL clubs had to repay that money. The problem I see is that the two Adelaide based sides have to compete with the wider AFL clubs, and a big portion of their potential revenue is needed to support the AFL (by revenue I include AAMI income etc). Now while they are having to support the SANFL there is potential that they will fall behind other AFL clubs that dont have this burden. And if they struggle, revenues will fall and the SANFL will struggle.

I believe the commission needs to go BACK to the AFL and revisit the option of becoming AFL-SA, a deal which would have lead to significant money being supplied each year by the AFL ...

Any stadium deal that see's the Crows potentially NOT breakingeven this year has flaws.

[JK]

I believe the commission needs to go BACK to the AFL and revisit the option of becoming AFL-SA, a deal which would have lead to significant money being supplied each year by the AFL ...

JMO to thread, JMO to thread ...

Geez hasn't the SANFL landscape changed in the last 12 months!!

[ca]

A couple more clubs this year post losses and the knives will be out again to slash club expenditure and this first lot of changes may only be the start of a slow decline / change into the SANFL becoming just another AFL Feeder League.

Develop local talent only to see them be drafted into the AFL and lost to the SANFL and restrictions on imports who in the main replace the talent lost, so where do we get the remainder of players to top up the SANFL Club lists?

It is a knee jerk over reaction and those clubs that agreed to this should hang their heads in shame for bowing to the pressure. It is time the SANFL clubs (or some) united properly instead of bickering and finger pointing at certain clubs and stand up to the likes of Whicker, Chandler and the Commission.

Well said, I can't believe this got passed.

[doggies4eva]

OK I'll be realistic. The clubs (when they are properly run) spend what they can each year on football while ensuring that their revenue sources remain viable businesses. This revenue for most clubs is pokie money plus an annual SANFL distribution. You call it taxes, I call it a return on the investment that they have made into Footy Park and 2 AFL licences.

They dont have an investment into the licenses - the AFL clubs had to repay that money. The problem I see is that the two Adelaide based sides have to compete with the wider AFL clubs, and a big portion of their potential revenue is needed to support the AFL (by revenue I include AAMI income etc). Now while they are having to support the SANFL there is potential that they will fall behind other AFL clubs that dont have this burden. And if they struggle, revenues will fall and the SANFL will struggle.

I believe the commission needs to go BACK to the AFL and revisit the option of becoming AFL-SA, a deal which would have lead to significant money being supplied each year by the AFL ...

Any stadium deal that see's the Crows potentially NOT breakingeven this year has flaws.

The Crows and the Power are both owned by the SANFL so they are assets and the SANFL has a right to a return. As for your comment about them falling behind the other teams - I see their best advantage is that they support grass roots footy. You seem to see them as an end in themselves - not saying you're wrong its just a different perspective. Anyway they seem to be competitive at the moment - on the field. And the Pt Adelaide financial woes I put down to poor management.

[Pseudo]

As a matter of interest, which clubs formed the majority?

[redandblack]

A couple more clubs this year post losses and the knives will be out again to slash club expenditure and this first lot of changes may only be the start of a slow decline / change into the SANFL becoming just another AFL Feeder League.

Develop local talent only to see them be drafted into the AFL and lost to the SANFL and restrictions on imports who in the main replace the talent lost, so where do we get the remainder of players to top up the SANFL Club lists?

It is a knee jerk over reaction and those clubs that agreed to this should hang their heads in shame for bowing to the pressure. It is time the SANFL clubs (or some) united properly instead of bickering and finger pointing at certain clubs and stand up to the likes of Whicker, Chandler and the Commission.

Well said, I can't beelive this got passed.

This was only passed because the clubs wanted it passed and the Commission just rubber-stamped it. Not only that, but apart from the import rule, the cap changes are just tinkering around the edges. Why are you all shouting doom and gloom over such minor changes? Why do you want to hang the Commission for agreeing to do what the clubs want them to do?

I believe the cap will be increased by a small amount in each of the next three years anyway.

If you think it's surrendering to the AFL , what would be your strategy to exist without AFL funding and support? Nobody seems to want to address that issue.

"We'll all be rooned, said Hanrahan"

[doggies4eva]

We weren't shouting

THIS IS SHOUTING.

Just don't think the cap should be lowered but agree that it is tinkering around the edges. Can't they address the BIG issues?

[Wedgie]

I'll have to plead ignorance here as I just (wrongly it seemd) assumed the Commission applied this, I didn't realise that a majority of clubs actually made the decision.
If that i the case then I apologise to the Commission for comments Ive made on this topic (but not others previously).
I didn't even fathom that a majority of our clubs would be stupid enough to implement this decision.
Can I have actual confirmation that this is the case?

[TimmiesChin]

The Crows and the Power are both owned by the SANFL so they are assets and the SANFL has a right to a return. As for your comment about them falling behind the other teams - I see their best advantage is that they support grass roots footy. You seem to see them as an end in themselves - not saying you're wrong its just a different perspective.

No I'm not saying they are an end to themselves, I am saying that they have to be successful to maximize the revenue they can generate. If we set up structures that put them at a disadvantage to other clubs and they struggle on field, their
revenues will fall and theamount they can return to SANFL falls.
What I am saying is that because so much of whatthey generate goes to SANFL clubs, they have a disadvantage to many other clubs.
While they dont have to be the richest clubs, they need to be competitive (and well run).

Port isnt a poorly run club (at least this is what the SANFL and AFL - who looked at the books have said), but they have a very low revenue compared to most clubs, and are probably at breaking point.

I'm hoping that the reduced debt will free up more money for them to remain competitive as they wont have to service the debt.

[redandblack]

I'll have to plead ignorance here as I just (wrongly it seemd) assumed the Commission applied this, I didn't realise that a majority of clubs actually made the decision.
If that i the case then I apologise to the Commission for comments Ive made on this topic (but not others previously).
I didn't even fathom that a majority of our clubs would be stupid enough to implement this decision.
Can I have actual confirmation that this is the case?

Fair enough.

It is the case, but I'll try to find something more tangible than that for you.

[JK]

I'll have to plead ignorance here as I just (wrongly it seemd) assumed the Commission applied this, I didn't realise that a majority of clubs actually made the decision.
If that i the case then I apologise to the Commission for comments Ive made on this topic (but not others previously).
I didn't even fathom that a majority of our clubs would be stupid enough to implement this decision.
Can I have actual confirmation that this is the case?

Fair enough.

It is the case, but I'll try to find something more tangible than that for you.

Thats my understanding too, I think most clubs priority would have been preserving the AFL dividend, rightly or wrongly.

[Wedgie]

I'll have to plead ignorance here as I just (wrongly it seemd) assumed the Commission applied this, I didn't realise that a majority of clubs actually made the decision.
If that i the case then I apologise to the Commission for comments Ive made on this topic (but not others previously).
I didn't even fathom that a majority of our clubs would be stupid enough to implement this decision.
Can I have actual confirmation that this is the case?

Fair enough.

It is the case, but I'll try to find something more tangible than that for you.

Nah thats cool mate, if its your understanding and Drebin alluded to it to then Im honestly amazed.

I can perhaps see the poorer and least successful clubs looking for a shortcut to being competitive but I'm honestly amazed a majority fell into that category.
The last hope for an improving comp with high expectations can just about be tossed out if thats the attitude of most clubs, parklands football here we come.

If North voted for it I will be giving the board and the CEO an absolute blasting on Sunday!

[drebin]

I can assure you that this was not agreed to by any SANFL Club. Wait until you see what one club will put out in comment to this in the coming days!

[Wedgie]

I can assure you that this was not agreed to by any SANFL Club. Wait until you see what one club will put out in comment to this in the coming days!

Ahh OK, I retract my ignorance and apology then and reinstate my abuse of the commission if that's the case!

[tipper]

A couple more clubs this year post losses and the knives will be out again to slash club expenditure and this first lot of changes may only be the start of a slow decline / change into the SANFL becoming just another AFL Feeder League.

Develop local talent only to see them be drafted into the AFL and lost to the SANFL and restrictions on imports who in the main replace the talent lost, so where do we get the remainder of players to top up the SANFL Club lists?

It is a knee jerk over reaction and those clubs that agreed to this should hang their heads in shame for bowing to the pressure. It is time the SANFL clubs (or some) united properly instead of bickering and finger pointing at certain clubs and stand up to the likes of Whicker, Chandler and the Commission.

Well said, I can't beelive this got passed.

This was only passed because the clubs wanted it passed and the Commission just rubber-stamped it. Not only that, but apart from the import rule, the cap changes are just tinkering around the edges. Why are you all shouting doom and gloom over such minor changes? Why do you want to hang the Commission for agreeing to do what the clubs want them to do?

I believe the cap will be increased by a small amount in each of the next three years anyway.

If you think it's surrendering to the AFL , what would be your strategy to exist without AFL funding and support? Nobody seems to want to address that issue.

"We'll all be rooned, said Hanrahan"

Maybe people are of the opinion that this is the thin end of the wedge? it starts with tinkering around the edges and progressively gets worse from there.

start with bringing in a "generous" 8 imports per club rule. once we are used to the idea cut that to 6, then 4 etc. once we have set a precedent of a small cut to the salary cap, people may not be up in arms when in future it is cut again.

Not sure that that is the long term plan or anything, just playing devils advocate.

[drebin]

If North voted for it I will be giving the board and the CEO an absolute blasting on Sunday!

North didn't vote for it and either did any other club. It was a Commission deal to appease the AFL who have been chipping away to reduce the strength of our comp for years. Due to where I have got my info from I can't comment at this time further than that but you can assume that North are furious to say the least.

The first step to AFLSA!