AFL RESERVES

[on the rails]

WAFL quite clear as to what they want re AFL Reserves and I would suggest, in fact I know the SANFL are exactly the same:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/wafl/14704595/wafl-clubs-wont-budge-on-afl-teams/

[Alby_Green]

WAFL quite clear as to what they want re AFL Reserves and I would suggest, in fact I know the SANFL are exactly the same:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/wafl/14704595/wafl-clubs-wont-budge-on-afl-teams/

Good to see the WAFL standing up for themselves. Pretty strong stance as evidenced in the following article as well:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/wafl/14091049/keep-your-afl-leftovers/

[White Line Fever]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/146094/default.aspx

Great idea.

[UK Fan]

I am becoming increasingly concerned at what will happen to the SANFL if there are AFL Reserves teams in a AFL Reserves competition. No only will all the current AFL listed players be lost to the SANFL but Port and the Crows will need extra players to make up the numbers. If they adopt a similar model to Geelong and Collingwood they will have an additional list of 11, plus a further 10 rookies. Presumably some/most of these will come from the SANFL so what happens to the standard and possibly interest?

As stated before gravel

AFl reserves teams have been around for years. They arent new. Brisbane Sydney Geelong Collingwood Etc.................. Box Hill Werribee and Bendigo have 6-7 players invited every year to do preseason with the respective afl clubs for about the last decade.

If you think the majority of sanfl footballers are going to want ot be top players in what will be essentially scratch matches against WCE Freo and the crows on a 3 week rotation. Where if you arent afl listed your developement will not be a priority. Go for it.

Or they could play in a higher standard. Where they will be part of a club enviroment where winning a premiership is at the forefront . And there individual developement will not be sacrificed for an afl junior.

Bearing also in mind Ian Callinan earnt more playing for centrals than being an AFL rookie.
How much would a rookie player get if he wasnt on an afl list.

I think the effect as mentioned previously will be minimal on the sanfl.

[sjt]

I am becoming increasingly concerned at what will happen to the SANFL if there are AFL Reserves teams in a AFL Reserves competition. No only will all the current AFL listed players be lost to the SANFL but Port and the Crows will need extra players to make up the numbers. If they adopt a similar model to Geelong and Collingwood they will have an additional list of 11, plus a further 10 rookies. Presumably some/most of these will come from the SANFL so what happens to the standard and possibly interest?

As stated before gravel

AFl reserves teams have been around for years. They arent new. Brisbane Sydney Geelong Collingwood Etc.................. Box Hill Werribee and Bendigo have 6-7 players invited every year to do preseason with the respective afl clubs for about the last decade.

If you think the majority of sanfl footballers are going to want ot be top players in what will be essentially scratch matches against WCE Freo and the crows on a 3 week rotation. Where if you arent afl listed your developement will not be a priority. Go for it.

Or they could play in a higher standard. Where they will be part of a club enviroment where winning a premiership is at the forefront . And there individual developement will not be sacrificed for an afl junior.

Bearing also in mind Ian Callinan earnt more playing for centrals than being an AFL rookie.
How much would a rookie player get if he wasnt on an afl list.

I think the effect as mentioned previously will be minimal on the sanfl.

I'm not really sure the fringe Port and Crows players make much of a difference to the SANFL standard in general. There's probably a handful that are top quality at SANFL level and make a difference to their SANFL side; Symes, Philips, Stewart, knights any others? Sturt have a number of AFL listed players but their results wouldn't indicate it's necessarily a good thing. A lot of the listed players may not be of SANFL standard, due current stage of development or were a poor draft choice. We won't really know if Gravel's concerns will be valid re other non afl players joining a reserves comp until the structure is proposed. If it's attractive to leave the SANFL then it will have an impact, if not as UK fan points out then it wont.
One thing I view as a strong positive is how the WAFL and SANFL have categorically ruled out the presence of AFL reserves sides in our competition.
Having spoken to a few players that have played in an AFL reserves comp. they found the standard below SANFL and detrimental to their development. Most players are competitive by nature and actually enjoy winning. I think the SA AFL clubs will shoot themselves in the foot both financially and from a player development perspective, but that's up to them.

[CENTURION]

I think Gravel was being rather rash when he made those comments.

[Gravel]

I think Ian Callinan is a very good example of what could happen. He never gave up on his dream to play at the highest level and as stated he took a pay cut when provided with the opportunity. I am sure there are other SANFL players who would take up the opportunity to play for an AFL club (even if only reserves level) in the hope their performances get them drafted onto an AFL list.
However as sjt says, we won’t really know unless there is a stand alone AFL Reserves competition.

[sjt]

Freo, Adelaide and west coast still in the finals. Sandersons Geelong and north Melbourne gone, reserves, didn't help them. What happens to hawthorn and collingwoods players if their reserves aren't in the finals?

[on the rails]

Freo, Adelaide and west coast still in the finals. Sandersons Geelong and north Melbourne gone, reserves, didn't help them. What happens to hawthorn and collingwoods players if their reserves aren't in the finals?

Play with themselves!

[sjt]

Freo, Adelaide and west coast still in the finals. Sandersons Geelong and north Melbourne gone, reserves, didn't help them. What happens to hawthorn and collingwoods players if their reserves aren't in the finals?

Play with themselves!

So Adelaide may have an advantage, with some of their players playing.

[on the rails]

Freo, Adelaide and west coast still in the finals. Sandersons Geelong and north Melbourne gone, reserves, didn't help them. What happens to hawthorn and collingwoods players if their reserves aren't in the finals?

Play with themselves!

So Adelaide may have an advantage, with some of their players playing.

Yes but those let's have an AFL ressies bandwaggoners forget that!

[FlyingHigh]

Yesterday in the Rucci Rip, he wrote about Thompson and Lynch being taken out of the Eagles teams as disrupting our teams. We still haven't heard how the Power and Crows are going to make up their numbers when a few injuries hit.
Regardless of which comp they are playing in, will they be able to call on any SANFL players they like when they need?
Using the Eagles this year as an example of a team battling to make the finals, imagine it got to round 20 and the Crows 2's were short, Eagles have a critical game coming up like the Port and North ones. Would the Crows be able to call on a Chris Hall or Sumner or Goldsworthy, who had been in the Eagles league team all year?

[sjt]

Freo, Adelaide and west coast still in the finals. Sandersons Geelong and north Melbourne gone, reserves, didn't help them. What happens to hawthorn and collingwoods players if their reserves aren't in the finals?

Play with themselves!

So Adelaide may have an advantage, with some of their players playing.

I see Box Hill finished seventh and Collingwood second to bottom, so I imagine no finals football for their non-selected players. They probably are playing with themselves.

[Jim05]

Yesterday in the Rucci Rip, he wrote about Thompson and Lynch being taken out of the Eagles teams as disrupting our teams. We still haven't heard how the Power and Crows are going to make up their numbers when a few injuries hit.
Regardless of which comp they are playing in, will they be able to call on any SANFL players they like when they need?
Using the Eagles this year as an example of a team battling to make the finals, imagine it got to round 20 and the Crows 2's were short, Eagles have a critical game coming up like the Port and North ones. Would the Crows be able to call on a Chris Hall or Sumner or Goldsworthy, who had been in the Eagles league team all year?

Im worried about that aswell. If they do get reserves id like to think that there would be a rule to stop them taking anyone on an SANFL list. If they cop a heap of injuries they can take players from amateurs/country or play short

[FlyingHigh]

Yeah, guess it was a convoluted way of saying the latter is just as much a disruption, but as yet the proponents (including Rucci) can't give us an answer.

[holden78]

Yesterday in the Rucci Rip, he wrote about Thompson and Lynch being taken out of the Eagles teams as disrupting our teams. We still haven't heard how the Power and Crows are going to make up their numbers when a few injuries hit.
Regardless of which comp they are playing in, will they be able to call on any SANFL players they like when they need?
Using the Eagles this year as an example of a team battling to make the finals, imagine it got to round 20 and the Crows 2's were short, Eagles have a critical game coming up like the Port and North ones. Would the Crows be able to call on a Chris Hall or Sumner or Goldsworthy, who had been in the Eagles league team all year?

Rucci the biased. . The media is massively slanted to AFL, fine. We don't have to be bullied though! We have what they want, history and integrity and both are not negotiable full stop! Call their bluff, as it is a bluff as we know they won't commit the money needed to make playing a national reserves comp. Give them both a spot in our reserves comp and all their players tied to SANFL clubs and sit back and see what a dog's breakfast they will make of it by the end of the year! The Commission needs to strike first here and protect SANFL from what went on re the Adelaide Oval debacle ( how the Crows basically got left with no choice ). The Reserves comp is so compromised with youngsters that results aren't really that important compared to development anyway! Show some guts Mr Olsen or get back to the state Libs, they could sure use help

[holden78]

Yesterday in the Rucci Rip, he wrote about Thompson and Lynch being taken out of the Eagles teams as disrupting our teams. We still haven't heard how the Power and Crows are going to make up their numbers when a few injuries hit.
Regardless of which comp they are playing in, will they be able to call on any SANFL players they like when they need?
Using the Eagles this year as an example of a team battling to make the finals, imagine it got to round 20 and the Crows 2's were short, Eagles have a critical game coming up like the Port and North ones. Would the Crows be able to call on a Chris Hall or Sumner or Goldsworthy, who had been in the Eagles league team all year?

Rucci the biased. . The media is massively slanted to AFL, fine. We don't have to be bullied though! We have what they want, history and integrity and both are not negotiable full stop! Call their bluff, as it is a bluff as we know they won't commit the money needed to make playing a national reserves comp. Give them both a spot in our reserves comp and all their players tied to SANFL clubs and sit back and see what a dog's breakfast they will make of it by the end of the year! The Commission needs to strike first here and protect SANFL from what went on re the Adelaide Oval debacle ( how the Crows basically got left with no choice ). The Reserves comp is so compromised with youngsters that results aren't really that important compared to development anyway! Show some guts Mr Olsen or get back to the state Libs, they could sure use help

[Booney]

Yesterday in the Rucci Rip, he wrote about Thompson and Lynch being taken out of the Eagles teams as disrupting our teams. We still haven't heard how the Power and Crows are going to make up their numbers when a few injuries hit.
Regardless of which comp they are playing in, will they be able to call on any SANFL players they like when they need?
Using the Eagles this year as an example of a team battling to make the finals, imagine it got to round 20 and the Crows 2's were short, Eagles have a critical game coming up like the Port and North ones. Would the Crows be able to call on a Chris Hall or Sumner or Goldsworthy, who had been in the Eagles league team all year?

Rucci the biased. . The media is massively slanted to AFL, fine. We don't have to be bullied though! We have what they want, history and integrity and both are not negotiable full stop! Call their bluff, as it is a bluff as we know they won't commit the money needed to make playing a national reserves comp. Give them both a spot in our reserves comp and all their players tied to SANFL clubs and sit back and see what a dog's breakfast they will make of it by the end of the year! The Commission needs to strike first here and protect SANFL from what went on re the Adelaide Oval debacle ( how the Crows basically got left with no choice ). The Reserves comp is so compromised with youngsters that results aren't really that important compared to development anyway! Show some guts Mr Olsen or get back to the state Libs, they could sure use help

So you want the SANFL commission to "strike first" and tell the AFL what will and wont be happening?

[UK Fan]

LEt us guess what action you want SANFL to take mr Boon. Roll over again to the promise of more revenue from AFl and do whatever they say ???

Im sure i dont need to explain to you how that has worked out for the sanfl in the last 5 years ???

[Booney]

Or....the SANFL could rely on its wonderful senior management to build the already burgeoning revenue streams they have in place.