AFL RESERVES

[UK Fan]

Every cent that generated from car parking, food and bars at a port home game goes straight to the SANFL. this is on top of sponsorship at the ground, which also goes to the SANFL. It would be interesting to see just how much this has been over the 15 years. The cost of staff (security/red coats/caterers) as well as paying to hire the venue and utilities (electricity/water) is paid for directly by Port (hence needing 27k attendance to break even). This stadium deal is the same for the crows, though they have a higher break even attendance figure due to needing more catering/security/red coats.

The SANFL only release very abridged financial reports but from what they publish you can see that gross revenue from AFL games in 2011 was $58.3m and based on the 2011 attendance split of 38/62 the 238,463 people who attended Port games generated revenue of $22.2m (Crows $36.1m). Based on the figures that Port and the Crows quote the NP margin appears to be in the 15% - 20% range, which is understandable given the high price of the food and drink at AAMI. A few years ago Duncanson quoted a figure of $50m net since 1997 - the 2011 figures support that comment.

If only Revenue = Profit

You'd better hope Beenreal doesn't see this, it shows an alarming lack of comprehension of Gravel's fairly clear point.

First of all schultzy would need someone to explain to him what above actually means.

Secondly if You and gravel want to go on believing only two kinds of members contribute their hard earned $$$$ towards aami stadium revenue(crows/power). You are more than welcome to. But I believe there is a third category of member that attends afl games and would contribute a fair amount to aamis revenue. I believe these MEMBERS have their own section at AAMI stadium, with their own bar and catering facilities.

If it was as simple as aami stadium revenue = ports profit.

14,583 fans on the weekend. Get around them!!

[UK Fan]

I'd be happy for the SANFL to pay Port $10M to take their license back, the SANFL would be in front after about three years by my reckoning.

You better hope Been real doesnt read this. I've been suggesting it would be beneficial for sanfl to rid itself of Ports licence/liability for years. Apparently I'm just biased .

[Ronnie]

I'd be happy for the SANFL to pay Port $10M to take their license back, the SANFL would be in front after about three years by my reckoning.

You better hope Been real doesnt read this. I've been suggesting it would be beneficial for sanfl to rid itself of Ports licence/liability for years. Apparently I'm just biased .

How do you value Port's licence though? It would take a leap of faith to see them being profitable ever again on their own resources.

[JamesH]

I'd be happy for the SANFL to pay Port $10M to take their license back, the SANFL would be in front after about three years by my reckoning.

You better hope Been real doesnt read this. I've been suggesting it would be beneficial for sanfl to rid itself of Ports licence/liability for years. Apparently I'm just biased .

How do you value Port's licence though? It would take a leap of faith to see them being profitable ever again on their own resources.

your certainly wouldnt rely on merchandise sales with that terrible jumper (there is so much you can do with black but as usual Port took the lazy option) and the incorrect foundation date on back...... at least put 'PAFC' or '1996'...... or 'RIP Fitzroy killed by Ross Oakley so we could bleed the SANFL dry'

[JamesH]

For the record East Perth who make South Adelaide look successful won three premierships in a row when all West Coast's drafted players were directed there.

South Fremantle finished second in the year year they acted as Fremantles reserves team. WAFL has trialed it and given it the thumbs down.

Unfortunately Im told the two AFL clubs have enough sway in WA to get it back on the agenda again.

Lucky here in SA its hard to take Adelaide or Port seriously..... one relies on siler haired supporters and other had to merge with the Magpies to survive

[Apachebulldog]

Its official the Power is now the Crows reserve side !

[RustyCage]

I'd be happy for the SANFL to pay Port $10M to take their license back, the SANFL would be in front after about three years by my reckoning.

You better hope Been real doesnt read this. I've been suggesting it would be beneficial for sanfl to rid itself of Ports licence/liability for years. Apparently I'm just biased .

How do you value Port's licence though? It would take a leap of faith to see them being profitable ever again on their own resources.

your certainly wouldnt rely on merchandise sales with that terrible jumper (there is so much you can do with black but as usual Port took the lazy option) and the incorrect foundation date on back...... at least put 'PAFC' or '1996'...... or 'RIP Fitzroy killed by Ross Oakley so we could bleed the SANFL dry'

Could you dribble any more shit?

[UK Fan]

Its official the Power is now the Crows reserve side !

GIANTS statement !!

[JamesH]

even the dumbest (Im aware they are all dumb) Port suppoter can see they the club is lost & now taking the Magpies with them
At least Fitzroy had spirit, a following, a history and their debts were nothing compared to Port's

I even remember Port's attempt to merge with Fitzroy in 96 to secure AFL entry

[beenreal]

even the dumbest (Im aware they are all dumb) Port suppoter can see they the club is lost & now taking the Magpies with them
At least Fitzroy had spirit, a following, a history and their debts were nothing compared to Port's

I even remember Port's attempt to merge with Fitzroy in 96 to secure AFL entry

Just as long as you bunch of Port hating circle jerkers are enjoying yourselves.

Which underperforming half of your club did you barrack for before they were forced to merge to survive?

Woodville or West Torrens?

Surprised you haven't tried to pin the blame on Port Adelaide for that one as well

[on the rails]

Surprised you haven't tried to pin the blame on Port Adelaide for that one as well

Well if you want to be technical then YES Port is too blame. Had they not tired to "back door" the SANFL and forced the creation of the Crows then the SANFL may have been able to assist both clubs to survive given the amount of money it cost to set up the Crows and licence fee's etc.

But we will never know because of the selfish attitude of the PAFC and they wonder why the bulk of SA football followers dislike them and have no compassion for their plight which they continue to blame on the collective SANFL.

Still we will get some pleasure when the Power part of the PAFC turns the Magpies into an AFL Ressies side and hopefully not in a SANFL run comp just to add more financial issues to their present ones.

[UK Fan]

even the dumbest (Im aware they are all dumb) Port suppoter can see they the club is lost & now taking the Magpies with them
At least Fitzroy had spirit, a following, a history and their debts were nothing compared to Port's

I even remember Port's attempt to merge with Fitzroy in 96 to secure AFL entry

Just as long as you bunch of Port hating circle jerkers are enjoying yourselves.

Which underperforming half of your club did you barrack for before they were forced to merge to survive?

How about You go first oneport supporter ???

[csbowes]

I see we're back on the "Port's responsible for all the evil in the world" thread again...

[on the rails]

I see we're back on the "Port's responsible for all the evil in the world" thread again...

Really? Are they?

In all seriousness they should stop blaming all that is SANFL for their current plight.

[UK Fan]

I see we're back on the "Port's responsible for all the evil in the world" thread again...

Really? Are they?

In all seriousness they should stop blaming all that is SANFL for their current plight.

I believe the club has stopped. It's just a few of their fans that can't face reality/refuse to backpeddle on earlier claims.

[PhilH]

Back on Topic

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/sa-wa-clubs-to-go-it-alone-20120828-24ysq.html


Interesting perspective out of Melbourne. Only puts the AFL club side of the argument, not why the WAFL or SANFL are saying no.

[Wedgie]

Lol at the mention of mismanagement of players, I've seen more mismanagement by the AFL clubs of their own players than by the SANFL clubs in regard to injuries, playing players out of position, not getting a game on weekends, ignoring talent which goes interstate and wins flags. And I've seen a lot of players go backwards after getting picked up by our local AFL clubs. I wont even comment on financial mismanagement. The 2 local AFL clubs would be a lot worse off if not for the competence of some if not all of the SANFL clubs.
I look forward to them having a breakaway comp and going even further backwards.

[holden78]

The Port Flowers have gotten away with murder and have slipped shockingly on and off the field, but have had the ultimate luxury of the SANFL then AFL as their suger daddies! No Port fan, member or official can blame anyone else for why no one is interested on gameday. Your own have dropped their pants at their club and if it wasn't for our soft media here, the real truth would come out. This Adelaide oval wet dream is only happening because the Crows will succeed regardless of where they go but that won't be the case with the Flowers

[Gravel]

I am becoming increasingly concerned at what will happen to the SANFL if there are AFL Reserves teams in a AFL Reserves competition. No only will all the current AFL listed players be lost to the SANFL but Port and the Crows will need extra players to make up the numbers. If they adopt a similar model to Geelong and Collingwood they will have an additional list of 11, plus a further 10 rookies. Presumably some/most of these will come from the SANFL so what happens to the standard and possibly interest?

[CENTURION]

but the current AFL players have left the SANFL anyway, to further their careers.