Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

[james07]

you agreed to give us dividends as compensation for taking over the sanfls market share . If you don't want to pay dividends you are more than welcome to hand back our market .

Sanfl aren't self sufficient ??? Oh really port Adelaide fans whose club is currently $6 mill in debt. Please give us a lecture about not being self sufficient.

The sanfl paid $8 mill for the two licences upfront. Guess how the sanfl (hint) raised those funds to allow your club access to an afl licence.

Question for port fans ?? Why do we now take a set amount of dividends from pafc and not a % of your profits like originally set up . I know the answer and I wouldn't complain about it if I was you[/quote]

nicely put except the fact that the two afl clubs are the sanfl, these clubs generate money for the sanfl and their clubs. lets not confuse this. These two major businesses of the sanfl are big part of local footy so if you want to cut them down and jump up and down about dividends the have a good look at revenue and where it goes. maybe these negative views are hurting the sanfl biggest income producing assets.

[Lynwood]

you agreed to give us dividends as compensation for taking over the sanfls market share . If you don't want to pay dividends you are more than welcome to hand back our market .

Sanfl aren't self sufficient ??? Oh really port Adelaide fans whose club is currently $6 mill in debt. Please give us a lecture about not being self sufficient.

The sanfl paid $8 mill for the two licences upfront. Guess how the sanfl (hint) raised those funds to allow your club access to an afl licence.

Question for port fans ?? Why do we now take a set amount of dividends from pafc and not a % of your profits like originally set up . I know the answer and I wouldn't complain about it if I was you

nicely put except the fact that the two afl clubs are the sanfl, these clubs generate money for the sanfl and their clubs. lets not confuse this. These two major businesses of the sanfl are big part of local footy so if you want to cut them down and jump up and down about dividends the have a good look at revenue and where it goes. maybe these negative views are hurting the sanfl biggest income producing assets.[/quote]

Well said even though I do not support either of these clubs I like to see them getting big support and crowds because I know that part of that money will be filtered down to the Magpies. It is ok for people to not support either or both sa clubs to have a hatred of them but look at what our league would be like without any revenue from football park

[Royal City]

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you agreed to give us dividends as compensation for taking over the sanfls market share . If you don't want to pay dividends you are more than welcome to hand back our market .

Sanfl aren't self sufficient ??? Oh really port Adelaide fans whose club is currently $6 mill in debt. Please give us a lecture about not being self sufficient.

The sanfl paid $8 mill for the two licences upfront. Guess how the sanfl (hint) raised those funds to allow your club access to an afl licence.

Question for port fans ?? Why do we now take a set amount of dividends from pafc and not a % of your profits like originally set up . I know the answer and I wouldn't complain about it if I was you

nicely put except the fact that the two afl clubs are the sanfl, these clubs generate money for the sanfl and their clubs. lets not confuse this. These two major businesses of the sanfl are
part of local footy so if you want to cut them down
and jump up and down about dividends the have a good look at revenue and where it goes. maybe these negative views are hurting the sanfl biggest income producing assets.[/quote]


Yawn. For the 400th time in 22 pages we know the sanfl who owns aami makes revenue from afl games. This is the afl clubs one job, if you didn't create revenue for the sanfl we wouldn't of given you the licence.

Btw not one person has expressed any interest in shutting down the Adelaide football club?? So don't bring the crows
into this we are talking about port. Why don't we complain about the crows ??they are self sufficient and gladly produce revenue for it's owners.

Unlike port who show no gratitude for everything done for them. And refuse to fox their own mess.

Bottom line pafc is 6 mill in debt with another 3 mill in debt forecasted over the next two years. No more talk of revenue let me hear about the bottom line port ???

Btw how much do you Think the pafc has cost the sanfl in the last 13 years ???

How much revenue did John martins make westfields in lease agreements ??

How much revenue does the state gov take out of your pokie revenue at alberton ???

[Booney]

Yawn indeed pal, yawn indeed.

What do you think you are getting achieved by repeating yourself over and over. Must be something like the 400th time in 22 pages.

[james07]

Yawn. For the 400th time in 22 pages we know the sanfl who owns aami makes revenue from afl games. This is the afl clubs one job, if you didn't create revenue for the sanfl we wouldn't of given you the licence.

Btw not one person has expressed any interest in shutting down the Adelaide football club?? So don't bring the crows into this we are talking about port. Why don't we complain about the crows ??they are self sufficient and gladly produce revenue for it's owners.

Unlike port who show no gratitude for everything done for them. And refuse to fox their own mess.

Bottom line pafc is 6 mill in debt with another 3 mill in debt forecasted over the next two years. No more talk of revenue let me hear about the bottom line port ???

Btw how much do you Think the pafc has cost the sanfl in the last 13 years ???[/quote]

this is why the stadium debate is ongoing the bottom line would be alot healthier and this isnt a port problem. you cant talk bottom line until you look at costs, increasing revenue isnt going to happen over night and if you strip away the football budget then you are at risk of further drop in revenue due to poor performances. This is a SA FOOTBALL issue not just port. so whats you solution. Port didnt have the advantage of being the first side in and got the majority of SA football fans

[nickname]

Bottom line pafc is 6 mill in debt with another 3 mill in debt forecasted over the next two years.

The forecast is actually for another $8million in losses over the next 2 years.

[sjt]

Yawn. For the 400th time in 22 pages we know the sanfl who owns aami makes revenue from afl games. This is the afl clubs one job, if you didn't create revenue for the sanfl we wouldn't of given you the licence.

Btw not one person has expressed any interest in shutting down the Adelaide football club?? So don't bring the crows into this we are talking about port. Why don't we complain about the crows ??they are self sufficient and gladly produce revenue for it's owners.

Unlike port who show no gratitude for everything done for them. And refuse to fox their own mess.

Bottom line pafc is 6 mill in debt with another 3 mill in debt forecasted over the next two years. No more talk of revenue let me hear about the bottom line port ???

Btw how much do you Think the pafc has cost the sanfl in the last 13 years ???

this is why the stadium debate is ongoing the bottom line would be alot healthier and this isnt a port problem. you cant talk bottom line until you look at costs, increasing revenue isnt going to happen over night and if you strip away the football budget then you are at risk of further drop in revenue due to poor performances. This is a SA FOOTBALL issue not just port. so whats you solution. Port didnt have the advantage of being the first side in and got the majority of SA football fans[/quote]

Port would never have got the majority of SA football fans, first in or not.

[Royal City]

Yawn. For the 400th time in 22 pages we know the sanfl who owns aami makes revenue from afl games. This is the afl clubs one job, if you didn't create revenue for the sanfl we wouldn't of given you the licence.

Btw not one person has expressed any interest in shutting down the Adelaide football club?? So don't bring the crows into this we are talking about port. Why don't we complain about the crows ??they are self sufficient and gladly produce revenue for it's owners.

Unlike port who show no gratitude for everything done for them. And refuse to fox their own mess.

Bottom line pafc is 6 mill in debt with another 3 mill in debt forecasted over the next two years. No more talk of revenue let me hear about the bottom line port ???

Btw how much do you Think the pafc has cost the sanfl in the last 13 years ???

this is why the stadium debate is ongoing the bottom line would be alot healthier and this isnt a port problem. you cant
talk bottom line until you look at costs, increasing revenue isnt going to happen over night and if you strip away the football budget then you are at risk of further drop in revenue due to poor performances. This is a SA FOOTBALL issue not just port. so whats you solution. Port didnt have the advantage of being the first side in and got the majority of SA football fans[/quote]

total sa population 1.5 mill

break even point at aami 28,000

all you need do is attract 2% of sa,s total population to your games to make profit. Is that really that an unchievable ask for the supposed pinnacle of aussie rules the afl ???


Don't give me us "we got the licence second" as an excuse. If you didn't want the second licence why apply for it ??!

[Royal City]

Bottom line pafc is 6 mill in debt with another 3 mill in debt forecasted over the next two years.

The forecast is actually for another $8million in losses over the next 2 years.

I took the 5 mill granted recently away from that figure.

[james07]

actually there was no excuse used and Port are happy to have the license, just sick of the outside bashers that having nothing better to do but to sick the boots in without looking at the big picture. and your population summary we enough said

[sjt]

actually there was no excuse used and Port are happy to have the license, just sick of the outside bashers that having nothing better to do but to sick the boots in without looking at the big picture. and your population summary we enough said

Probably shouldn't have used the population figures, just used Port's forecast crowd figures on their license submission.

[hereselmo1]

Btw how much do you Think the pafc has cost the sanfl in the last 13 years ???

How much revenue did John martins make westfields in lease agreements ??

How much revenue does the state gov take out of your pokie revenue at alberton ???

PAFC has made the SANFL money over the last 13 years. Despite the recent returns from the SANFL the amount Port has generated for the SANFL in the last 13 years from dividends, AAMI stadium fees, catering and car parking far exceeds what we have been given back.

Also James mentioned market share and the license fee. Well Port's market share is almost exactly what it was pre AFL so I am not sure what exactly we are paying for there? And Port repayed almost all of the original license fee paid by the SANFL.

Lets at lest get the basic facts right.

[Royal City]

[quote="Booney"]Yawn indeed pal, yawn indeed.

What do you think you are getting achieved by repeating yourself over and over. Must be something like the 400th time in 22 pages. [/

another quality post mr boon . Full of facts and figures to add to the debate as always.

YAWN!!'

[Royal City]

Btw how much do you Think the pafc has cost the sanfl in the last 13 years ???

How much revenue did John martins make westfields in lease agreements ??

How much revenue does the state gov take out of your pokie revenue at alberton ???

PAFC has made the SANFL money over the last 13 years. Despite the recent returns from the SANFL the amount Port has generated for the SANFL in the last 13 years from dividends, AAMI stadium fees, catering and car parking far exceeds what we have been given back.

Lets at lest get the basic facts right.

no worries and to back up this basic fact you can provide what evidence ???

Or is this just another assumption ????

Secondly could you tell me how much the afc has made for the sanfl ??? And how much they have cost the sanfl ?? Just as a comparison .

[johna]

It is really unbelievable what the Port Adelaide Football Club have cost the AFL and SANFL over the last say 10 years.
There is no doubt they received the license using projections and figures which were never going to be achievable. There was also the inuendo of a promise to Mr Webber from a now deceased member of the AFL which if true is completely unethical.
To be fair to SA football the licenses should have been divided between the Clubs with say 4 clubs aligned to the Crows and 5 clubs aligned to the other license. There would be much less risk this way of one Club being completely strapped for cash as is the case now.
Mark my words within five years the now Port Adelaide Football Club license will be either no longer in their name as it is actually owned by the SANFL or run/operated under a completely new consitution/charter. Financial pressure will dictate this.
I would hate to see the Port Magpies disappear from the local competition but they are skating on very thin ice even taking into account this proposed merger.

[Booney]

Yawn indeed pal, yawn indeed.

What do you think you are getting achieved by repeating yourself over and over. Must be something like the 400th time in 22 pages. [/

another quality post mr boon . Full of facts and figures to add to the debate as always.

YAWN!!'

Perhaps, but I fail to see what your facts and figures are achieving in here? You appear to be well versed and know the numbers, but seriously, this endless debate really achieves nothing at all. Unless of course you are a financial advisor to the SANFL / PAFC / PAMFC or the AFL and are able to use these numbers to help.

What is your aim in all of this, what do you hope this thread to result in? Do you think your endless debate on here will be dug up by the powers at SANFL house and used for future forecasting?

[hereselmo1]

Btw how much do you Think the pafc has cost the sanfl in the last 13 years ???

How much revenue did John martins make westfields in lease agreements ??

How much revenue does the state gov take out of your pokie revenue at alberton ???

PAFC has made the SANFL money over the last 13 years. Despite the recent returns from the SANFL the amount Port has generated for the SANFL in the last 13 years from dividends, AAMI stadium fees, catering and car parking far exceeds what we have been given back.

Lets at lest get the basic facts right.

no worries and to back up this basic fact you can provide what evidence ???

Or is this just another assumption ????

Secondly could you tell me how much the afc has made for the sanfl ??? And how much they have cost the sanfl ?? Just as a comparison .

I am not the one making the absurd assertion that PAFC has cost rather than made the SANFL money over the last 13 years.

I never said anything about the Crows so I have no idea why you brought that up. There is no doubt that the Crows have made even more money for the SANFL than Port.

Do you seriously think the PAFC not made SANFL more in dividends, stadium fees, catering and car parking than they have returned in the last few years or are you just agruing for the sake of it?

[Gravel]

My understanding is that Brett Duncanson (PAFC President) recently advised that Port have generated net revenue of over $50m for the SANFL from its AFL games at AAMI stadium, licence fee etc since 1997.

[CENTURION]

please lock this thread, it's going nowhere.

[locky801]

please lock this thread, it's going nowhere.

course it's going somewhere around in damn circles