Swan Districts AFL protest

[whufc]

Umm those extra kids will go on to play reserves and league football because league footballers retire, move on, switch clubs etc etc they will need to be replaced by someone, that will be the reserves and 18,a as they filter through.

What your forgetting as well is that each college is only going to be able to offer and play a certain amount of kids.

The other recruiting benefit SANFL offers which college football can't is the opportunity to impress against men and against other AFL listed players.

There will also always be footballers like Josh Glenn at Centrals who colleges have no idea about and was playing div4 ammos last year, he is now dominating at league level and would definatly have scouts taking a look.

[kickinit]

Umm those extra kids will go on to play reserves and league football because league footballers retire, move on, switch clubs etc etc they will need to be replaced by someone, that will be the reserves and 18,a as they filter through.

What your forgetting as well is that each college is only going to be able to offer and play a certain amount of kids.

The other recruiting benefit SANFL offers which college football can't is the opportunity to impress against men and against other AFL listed players.

There will also always be footballers like Josh Glenn at Centrals who colleges have no idea about and was playing div4 ammos last year, he is now dominating at league level and would definatly have scouts taking a look.

but your not going to have a full team retire at the same time, you also have to include players that get delisted from AFL clubs, players moving from interstate and players who are currently playing amateur football now deciding to have a crack at playing sanfl. You also take into account that not every player playing college football is going to be drafted into the afl. So at the end of the day if the majority of the best kids are being taken by the college system it doesn't leave too many quality players left for the sanfl.

[whufc]

Umm those extra kids will go on to play reserves and league football because league footballers retire, move on, switch clubs etc etc they will need to be replaced by someone, that will be the reserves and 18,a as they filter through.

What your forgetting as well is that each college is only going to be able to offer and play a certain amount of kids.

The other recruiting benefit SANFL offers which college football can't is the opportunity to impress against men and against other AFL listed players.

There will also always be footballers like Josh Glenn at Centrals who colleges have no idea about and was playing div4 ammos last year, he is now dominating at league level and would definatly have scouts taking a look.

but your not going to have a full team retire at the same time, you also have to include players that get delisted from AFL clubs, players moving from interstate and players who are currently playing amateur football now deciding to have a crack at playing sanfl. You also take into account that not every player playing college football is going to be drafted into the afl. So at the end of the day if the majority of the best kids are being taken by the college system it doesn't leave too many quality players left for the sanfl.

But they will struggle to get anywhere close to the majority, recruiting kids under 18 is extremely hit and miss as the national draft proves, also these colleges don't have the set ups state wide to guarentee they get the best talent. There is also academic skills which are required on top of football ability which will automatically rule out certain kids.

Alot of kids won't make the trek down either because of distance/family reasons.

Having been part of a sports scholarship as a teen there is alot more to it than just rocking up and playing your desired sport every day of the week. Many many kids struggle and don't make it through the first year.

What ur forgetting is they have been offering scholarships for many years now, there is also Henley high which has similar (either a schlloraship or has it on the cirrculum) and these players filter through the Eagles.

How many 'extra' scholarships do you think these colleges will hand out.

Also your point about 18,s not coming through is ridiculous, every example you gave of delisted afl players, ammos having a crack, guys from college not making it playing sanfl currently exsists and these 18's still filter through

And even if they secure some kids there will always be seem kids left at SANFL level who make it to league level and then have the advantage of having played senior football and against AFL listed players.

[Strawb]

Yeah, it is a hypothetical but you get the gist, yeah?

This is the problem essentially with the concept of AFL Reserves Teams.
There is no reward for development of players within a Club's Zoned Areas - Port Magpies & whoever (let's say Sturt) don't need to do much at all really, they will get AFL quality players, with AFL quality training & medical assistance - not to mention the facilities.

Now, Victorians would say "Welcome to our World" but they never had to change/move the goal posts.
Their competition just expanded by removing 2 clubs out of Melbourne (South & Fitzroy) & gaining extra Interstate Clubs.

The VFA was a good quality competition in it's own right - they fielded a team in Div 2 of State Carnivals that was always very competitive.
The VFA was poorly managed and broke by the time the mergers happened. A lot of teams in the then VFA are no longer teams or back in local comps. Geelong West went broke and is now Geelong West St. Peters.
The VFA competition has been ruined by the removal of the VFL/AFL Reserves Competition.
(FFS, they have 2 x Teams that are the Tigers competing in the same competition! What a joke!)
Werribee always have been the Tigers. Coburg became the Tigers because of Richmond.
We are in danger of becoming AFLSA - that is what Dimetripoo wants.
OUR Sport of 'Australian Rules Football' has been branded "AFL" - they have been very clever in doing this.
Kids refer to the sport as "AFL" now. The 'Northern States' refer to it too.

If we don't fight to maintain the integrity of our competition - then we are doomed to go the way of the VFA & sadly (it appears) the WAFL.

This is NOT an Anti-Port, or Anti-Crows thing - in fact I would not be overly unhappy if they fielded their Reserves Teams in the SANFL Reserves competition, I would prefer not but that might be a reasonable compromise.

What is MOST concerning is the 'deafening silence' coming from the SANFL - where is their response to the issue?
This suggests the decision has already been made.

In 1990, the SANFL fought 'tooth & nail' to stop PAFC joining the VFL - all in the name of "keeping our competition a viable one with integrity".
Why are they not doing the same now? The cynic in me would say "$$$$$".

Is this issue any different to the Coles & Woolies Duopoly issue?
The 'big boys' forcing the 'little guy' out of business, for greed & just because they can.

[Harry the Horse]

What is MOST concerning is the 'deafening silence' coming from the SANFL - where is their response to the issue?
This suggests the decision has already been made.

Agreed. Rob Chapman and Keith Thomas are walking around very smugly at the moment. Don't trust either of them or anyone at the SANFL.
We all know if it is left to a vote of the clubs, as the constitution demands, it won't get up.
But the Crows and Power will be trying to backdoor the SANFL clubs like what happened in Perth.

As long as our SANFL clubs stay strong and united, we will be fine.
I wouldn't care if they all decided to break ranks, dissolve the League and play their own competition.
Sure, they would suffer financially in the short term and more players would leave to take the cash at country clubs, but if it meant a pure competition, the short term pain would be worth the long term gain.
We must not be bullied by AFC and PAFC!

[JK]

What is MOST concerning is the 'deafening silence' coming from the SANFL - where is their response to the issue?
This suggests the decision has already been made.

Agreed. Rob Chapman and Keith Thomas are walking around very smugly at the moment. Don't trust either of them or anyone at the SANFL.
We all know if it is left to a vote of the clubs, as the constitution demands, it won't get up.
But the Crows and Power will be trying to backdoor the SANFL clubs like what happened in Perth.

As long as our SANFL clubs stay strong and united, we will be fine.
I wouldn't care if they all decided to break ranks, dissolve the League and play their own competition.
Sure, they would suffer financially in the short term and more players would leave to take the cash at country clubs, but if it meant a pure competition, the short term pain would be worth the long term gain.
We must not be bullied by AFC and PAFC!

Hmmm .. There's some worrying rumours that the amount of money that might be offered in the sales pitch could be very difficult for quite a few clubs to say no to.

[Lynwood]

Well done Swan Districts, why should they be fined for showing who the opposition really are.

[beenreal]

Wait until next year when all the born and bred WAFL club players have to move to East Perth & Peel.

That is when the fun will really start.

If a "born and bred" WAFL player is so concerned about switching clubs, there's a simple answer. Don't nominate for the draft. He can then stay and play for his local WAFL club and earn WAFL match payments.

Why do you bother posting "shite" like this?

I write it because narrow minded, insular thinkers like you can't handle the truth. That "born and bred" WAFL player might have grown up barracking for West Coast or Freo but having nominated for the draft gets picked up by an interstate club. What's the difference, he's still playing at club he never supported and will invariably come up against the club he used to.

[on the rails]

As opposed to your typical Port Adelaide selfish attitude??? Seriously it seems you might actually put alot of time and effort into what shite you post on here? You are rivalling dogger for being one of the dumbest people on here and that is saying something to be compared to that plonker!

[am Bays]

As opposed to your typical Port Adelaide selfish attitude??? Seriously it seems you might actually put alot of time and effort into what shite you post on here? You are rivalling dogger for being one of the dumbest people on here and that is saying something to be compared to that plonker!

You know what they say about arguing with idiots OTR!

[Spargo]

You are rivalling dogger for being one of the dumbest people on here and that is saying something to be compared to that plonker!

Are you telling me they are two different people?

[Booney]

You are rivalling dogger for being one of the dumbest people on here and that is saying something to be compared to that plonker!

Are you telling me they are two different people?

That did make me laugh....

@Beenreal.

I think OTR is saying someone like a Brett Ebert, imagine he was on the Crows list but is and has always been a Port Magpies player with a long proud family history at the club.

Do you not think that if ( and I mean if he was on Adelaides list ) it would irk him somewhat to have to move to Adelaides reserves side and play against the Magpies? ( as will be happening in Perth next year )

It has nothing to do with nominating for the draft or retiring etc.

[PhilH]

I think I used the example of Jake Johansen a few pages back

Its not the players kicking up a fuss, that is not what I said.

Its the fan and clubs unhappy that the players they developed
are playing for the opposition.


Would not be happy if in a few years Vince, Joyce, Ellis-Yolmen & Petrenko (all with WWTFC when drafted to the crows) play a key role beating us one week
then
the following week its Salter, Redden & Broadbent in the Power reserves team.


Currently its great for everyone if local players get drafted locally. Under the WAFL system you would be hoping they get drafted interstate so they dont hurt you playing for the EP Eagles and P Dockers.

[on the rails]

Well done Booney!

[therisingblues]

Wait until next year when all the born and bred WAFL club players have to move to East Perth & Peel.

That is when the fun will really start.

If a "born and bred" WAFL player is so concerned about switching clubs, there's a simple answer. Don't nominate for the draft. He can then stay and play for his local WAFL club and earn WAFL match payments.

Why do you bother posting "shite" like this?

I write it because narrow minded, insular thinkers like you can't handle the truth. That "born and bred" WAFL player might have grown up barracking for West Coast or Freo but having nominated for the draft gets picked up by an interstate club. What's the difference, he's still playing at club he never supported and will invariably come up against the club he used to.

Somehow you believe this justifies the poor bugger getting potentially and unnecessarily screwed over at a local level too.

[Barto]

Unlike Beenunreal, Booney gets it. At least under the current system in SA, the SANFL clubs have that consolation that they still get to see a player they developed in the guernsey if they get dropped by their AFL team.

[whufc]

Unlike Beenunreal, Booney gets it. At least under the current system in SA, the SANFL clubs have that consolation that they still get to see a player they developed in the guernsey if they get dropped by their AFL team.

Yep and even more so not be the enemy by playing against the club that developed him

[CUTTERMAN]

I think both SA AFL clubs need to think very carefully what the outcomes are that they want to achieve with reserves teams in the SANFL and at what cost. This is probably more the case for Adelaide as they have more to lose in disenfranchising a good amount of their existing supporters that still support other SANFL clubs. Whereas Port will still keep Port in the SANFL, not much will change for their supporters and its not like the PAFC have any issues in burning other clubs or competitions for their own desires nor do they have any issue when it comes to worrying about disenfranchising themselves from the larger SA footy public..... If recent history is anything to go by that is.
Jibes aside, if AFL teams were to have reserves in the SANFL I think it'd be the end of footy for me, especially if it was Sturt that made way for Adelaide. I think it would probably be the same for many other supporters from other clubs. If indeed the SANFL would be so myopic to let such a thing happen to our competition then they can revel in being the ones running a comp that is dead and stands for nothing. I'd probably have so much disdain for football in this country that I'd refuse to follow any of it.
If Sturt aligned themselves with Adelaide I'd hand in my membership then and there. It's not right that one club puts itself forward for its own means while screwing the rest. It's happened before and they never made that club pay enough of a price.
They can have it.

[westozfalcon]

The AFL host club arrangement has existed before in the WAFL.

In 1999, West Coast players were aligned to Claremont but that arrangement faltered and East Perth accomodated them from 2000. It paid immediate dividends for the Royals as they romped to a hat-trick of premierships. Every year they were aligned to the Eagles they won the flag! The alignment ended at the end of the 2002 season.

Fremantle also had a host club arrangement at the same time. Their's was with South Fremantle. South's had a dominant season in 1999, losing only two games but West Perth bucked the odds to beat them in the grand final that year.

East Perth will be a WAFL force next year because they will have some good players added to their ranks who aren't West Coast regulars. These players include Mark Hutchings, Ashton Hams, Callum Sinclair, Brad Dick, Bradd Dalziell, Mitch Brown, Murray Newman, Jacob Brennan and powerful, big-marking rookie Jeremy McGovern (son of former Docker Andrew McGovern).

Peel Thunder will also be strengthened, but probably not quite to the extent of East Perth. They will get Kepler Bradley, Alex Silvagni, Josh Mellington, Zac Clarke and Clancee Pearce - blokes who aren't permanent fixtures in the Docker's line-up.

I don't know why the AFL teams want their players aligned to just one WAFL club. Having their players aligned to various WAFL clubs never stopped the Eagles winning 3 AFL premierships. If it aint broke don't fix it.

[holden78]

Just a little side issue..... it always amuses me when I see AFL scouts at SANFL games because it must be so nice and easy to sit there and assess players at the highest possible level ( non GAYFL ).
Usually no where to hide out on the field with ultra competitive opposition players and coaches looking to take advantage of anything.
The Candys and Flowers don't know how good they have it because it's just fully taken for granted just like Parents are by their kids!