Round 22: Central vs Norwood at Elizabeth

[Grahaml]

What other posters have been saying is that if he plays next week then the last round will count.

But if a player plays in the last round of the AFL and then plays SANFL the last week of SANFL it doesn't count.

If that's right then he may still qualify (of course the Crows would have to allow it).

I'm not certain of the actual rule (haven't been able to find it anywhere online) but I think once the AFL season is over for either Port or the Crows (both in this case) then their players can only play in subsequent SANFL rounds if they have played the 5 games to qualify.

[SANFLnut]

Eventually depth runs out. So far we've ruled out Sibenaler, Obst, Gunston, Henderson, Westhoff and probably Milne judging by how he looked Saturday. All talls, most forwards. What other club could afford to lose that many key position players? Not to mention we've had to play without Hardy and Hayes for decent lengths of time. It's a challenge no doubt, but our great depth (more appropriate in the midfield) has covered us so far. But now we're at a point where it's nearly at tipping point.

If all clubs counted AFL players that have only played a handful of games for them then yes they could afford to lose them.

[JK]

From what I can gather he can't qualify. If he plays this week he'll be on 4 games won't he?

I thought the same, but I have been told from someone who would know, that Henderson can qualify .. Im not sure how it all works, but I trust this person and their info.

[legsman]

Every setback is just another challenge to overcome. Lucky we've got the best coach to make the right decisions, great depth to give him options and the strongest leadership group to make sure everyone is doing their bit. There's no formula to win a guaranteed flag, but we've got ourselves at the top of the ladder at the business end of the year to give ourselves another chance at it.

From the 'schell back for the dogs thread....

The player whose spot he takes would be Alan Obst. The kids in the reserves have had all year to prove themselves and obviously haven't gotten to the standard required.

Obvioulsy having great depth depends on what day of the week it is

Eventually depth runs out. So far we've ruled out Sibenaler, Obst, Gunston, Henderson, Westhoff and probably Milne judging by how he looked Saturday. All talls, most forwards. What other club could afford to lose that many key position players? Not to mention we've had to play without Hardy and Hayes for decent lengths of time. It's a challenge no doubt, but our great depth (more appropriate in the midfield) has covered us so far. But now we're at a point where it's nearly at tipping point.

Hope that wasn't too hard for you to understand.

You mean the bit where on one hand ”lucky we have great depth to give the best coach options” and on the other hand ”depth has run out” due to ”the kids haven’t come up” and ”injuries and the crows”

Keep in mind all above views on current depth of the dogs’ squad made days apart.

Personally I reckon you were desperately trying to convince yourself all’s well in the original post and now desperate to find a way out of your contradictive views.

Hope this isn’t too hard for YOU to understand.

[Grahaml]

From what I can gather he can't qualify. If he plays this week he'll be on 4 games won't he?

I thought the same, but I have been told from someone who would know, that Henderson can qualify .. Im not sure how it all works, but I trust this person and their info.

I've searched high and low for something written down, but to no avail. If he can then that will help a bit but we need to move forward in case he doesn't end up being available. Plus if Havelberg does that hammy again we could be down to our 10th choice key forwards!

[JK]

From what I can gather he can't qualify. If he plays this week he'll be on 4 games won't he?

I thought the same, but I have been told from someone who would know, that Henderson can qualify .. Im not sure how it all works, but I trust this person and their info.

I've searched high and low for something written down, but to no avail. If he can then that will help a bit but we need to move forward in case he doesn't end up being available. Plus if Havelberg does that hammy again we could be down to our 10th choice key forwards!

I think your attitude is the right one .. Same for those involved with our club still trying to work angles for how Walker could play, it's a pointless exercise when we just need to plan for him to be unavailable and then if be some miracle he was (which he won't) it would be a nice problem to have.

[Grahaml]

Eventually depth runs out. So far we've ruled out Sibenaler, Obst, Gunston, Henderson, Westhoff and probably Milne judging by how he looked Saturday. All talls, most forwards. What other club could afford to lose that many key position players? Not to mention we've had to play without Hardy and Hayes for decent lengths of time. It's a challenge no doubt, but our great depth (more appropriate in the midfield) has covered us so far. But now we're at a point where it's nearly at tipping point.

If all clubs counted AFL players that have only played a handful of games for them then yes they could afford to lose them.

We started the year not assuming them to play all year and had plenty of other options. But you can't always have 6 or 7 blokes capable of playing the same position at the standard required. West couldn't possibly afford to lose that many key forward options and expect to be able to have a functioning forward line.

It's not all said and done anyway. It's an insurance policy. I'm confident we can kick enough goals with Havelberg back in and guys like Hayes or Spurr playing the other key tall roles if needed but with Havelberg and Hayes both having injury interrupted seasons Schell is just an insurance policy in case something happens. Just due diligence by the club.

[Grahaml]

From what I can gather he can't qualify. If he plays this week he'll be on 4 games won't he?

I thought the same, but I have been told from someone who would know, that Henderson can qualify .. Im not sure how it all works, but I trust this person and their info.

I've searched high and low for something written down, but to no avail. If he can then that will help a bit but we need to move forward in case he doesn't end up being available. Plus if Havelberg does that hammy again we could be down to our 10th choice key forwards!

I think your attitude is the right one .. Same for those involved with our club still trying to work angles for how Walker could play, it's a pointless exercise when we just need to plan for him to be unavailable and then if be some miracle he was (which he won't) it would be a nice problem to have.

You never start the season relying on AFL listed players. They're either going to be below standard or get taken up at some point. But a few years ago as the season wore on and Walker did end up a good regular contributor for Norwood it was fair to build around him more as the finals came. If Obst goes down and Gunston had been cleared for finals it might be a different story. But those are the cards we're dealt with so we need to do what we can to maximise our chances and plan our contingencies. No doubt Norwood have been thinking long and hard about what their team would look like if they lost McGuinness or Bown for the season. It's just something good clubs do.

[Robe Dog]

I'm tipping Centrals, I feel they're playing a fraction better than us, only after watching them against Port. Should be a great game, looking forward to the midfield battle. Go you Redlegs !

[udogs01]

Watching nine news tonight interviewing Jack Gunston.....may have heard wrong but thought I heard them say he would be hoping for back to back premiership medal with Centrals then taking 5/6 weeks off.

[Willo]

Said he would "NOT" be chasing back to back premiership medals, starting his 7 week break next week.

[udogs01]

Said he would "NOT" be chasing back to back premiership medals, starting his 7 week break next week.

Bugga

[jim5112]

Every setback is just another challenge to overcome. Lucky we've got the best coach to make the right decisions, great depth to give him options and the strongest leadership group to make sure everyone is doing their bit. There's no formula to win a guaranteed flag, but we've got ourselves at the top of the ladder at the business end of the year to give ourselves another chance at it.

From the 'schell back for the dogs thread....

The player whose spot he takes would be Alan Obst. The kids in the reserves have had all year to prove themselves and obviously haven't gotten to the standard required.

Obvioulsy having great depth depends on what day of the week it is

Eventually depth runs out. So far we've ruled out Sibenaler, Obst, Gunston, Henderson, Westhoff and probably Milne judging by how he looked Saturday. All talls, most forwards. What other club could afford to lose that many key position players? Not to mention we've had to play without Hardy and Hayes for decent lengths of time. It's a challenge no doubt, but our great depth (more appropriate in the midfield) has covered us so far. But now we're at a point where it's nearly at tipping point.

Hope that wasn't too hard for you to understand.

You mean the bit where on one hand ”lucky we have great depth to give the best coach options” and on the other hand ”depth has run out” due to ”the kids haven’t come up” and ”injuries and the crows”

Keep in mind all above views on current depth of the dogs’ squad made days apart.

Personally I reckon you were desperately trying to convince yourself all’s well in the original post and now desperate to find a way out of your contradictive views.

Hope this isn’t too hard for YOU to understand.

Been practising your mind reading have you?

Centrals do have great but finite depth. You should be able to understand that there is no contradiction in that unless you are just being obtuse.

[topsywaldron]

I learnt early on it's no use arguing with grahaml, he's never wrong. In this case it was an open and closed case of walking both sides of the street and being caught. If the dogs depth is as good as he implies there'd be no need to pull the Schell stunt. Quite clear really.

Still waiting btw brucetiki.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Obviously the Dogs depth has been stretched in the tall forward department topsy.

[legsman]

Been practising your mind reading have you?

Centrals do have great but finite depth. You should be able to understand that there is no contradiction in that unless you are just being obtuse

That's not how it was initially communicated but good try anyway.

You should be able to understand 'have depth' is different to 'had depth' but then again...

[whufc]

Under normal circustamnces our depth is pretty good but to lose Obst, Westoff, Sibenaler, Nash, Dutschke, Slattery would test out any sides depth especially a team who are serious contenders for the premiership.

At very least the Schell move will have other people thinking, anyone who thinks that Godden and Bassett arent starting to prepare or think about a Central side that includes Schell are kidding themselves.

Schell could provide the fresh legs needed at what will be the end of another tough and hard season.

[topsywaldron]

Legsman speaks the truth TSG.

[The Sleeping Giant]

North lost James Allan for a game and are depth was tested.

[Grahaml]

I learnt early on it's no use arguing with grahaml, he's never wrong. .

Not a case of me always being right, just that you're always wrong.

If you want to deny the screaming obvious then that's cool. Just don't expect everyone to agree with that.

I've already explained how those statements can both be true. They are far from mutually exclusive. You just don't have an ability to have an unlimited number of options. Roy used the options he had to keep us up the top of the ladder, due largely to our depth. Have a look at how many different players have played for Centrals this season. Few have played a game where they didn't contribute each time. Now we find because we have a few injuries and unavailabilities to similar players that he feels the need to get an insurance policy rather than play someone simply not up to standard if the need arises.