Port Cash Crisis = ? for SANFL Clubs and Comp?

[Gravel]

The major issue here is the Stadium deal, but I am not sure how many posters really understand this.
The SANFL commission have had years to put in place an acceptable stadium deal for both Port and the Crows but they have not done so and I fear this will ultimately cost them control of both AFL licences.

[am Bays]

The major issue here is the Stadium deal, but I am not sure how many posters really understand this.
The SANFL commission have had years to put in place an acceptable stadium deal for both Port and the Crows but they have not done so and I fear this will ultimately cost them control of both AFL licences.

I think most SANFL posters fully understand this.

Wasn't the funding model for the SANFL/ Crows and Power changed 8-10 years ago from the previous model (%age of annual profit) to enable the two sub-licenses to make more money based on their ability to "Sell/market" their business? This is something that seems to be lost in theis current 18 mont debate. As I understand it under this model if both AFL franchises (Hi Dutchy were able to maintain their crowds they would actually make more money than what they did under the old funding model?

The BIGGEST reason why Port and to a lesser extent the Crows are in their current financial plights, is that the so called supporters and members of those club DO NOT turn up.

IT is not the SANFLs fault, it is not the AFLs fault, it is not the Power aand Crows fault, it isn't even their footballing departments fault. It is the so called members and supporters who do not turn up faults.

If Port were able to average 30 000 like they used to and the Crows 40 000 like they used to we wouldn't be in this situation.

Christ the SANFL ahs pumped a lot of money into Footy park over the last 8 eyars to amke it more attractive - new seats, new food outlets, better ammenities all to make it easier for the punters to turn up - BUT NOOOO!!!

[am Bays]

Wasn't the funding model for the SANFL/ Crows and Power changed 8-10 years ago from the previous model (%age of annual profit) to enable the two sub-licenses to make more money based on their ability to "Sell/market" their business? This is something that seems to be lost in theis current 18 mont debate. As I understand it under this model if both AFL franchises (Hi Dutchy were able to maintain their crowds they would actually make more money than what they did under the old funding model?

Happy to be corrected if my memory is wrong on this count.

[sjt]

The major issue here is the Stadium deal, but I am not sure how many posters really understand this.
The SANFL commission have had years to put in place an acceptable stadium deal for both Port and the Crows but they have not done so and I fear this will ultimately cost them control of both AFL licences.

I think most SANFL posters fully understand this.

Wasn't the funding model for the SANFL/ Crows and Power changed 8-10 years ago from the previous model (%age of annual profit) to enable the two sub-licenses to make more money based on their ability to "Sell/market" their business? This is something that seems to be lost in theis current 18 mont debate. As I understand it under this model if both AFL franchises (Hi Dutchy were able to maintain their crowds they would actually make more money than what they did under the old funding model?

The BIGGEST reason why Port and to a lesser extent the Crows are in their current financial plights, is that the so called supporters and members of those club DO NOT turn up.

IT is not the SANFLs fault, it is not the AFLs fault, it is not the Power aand Crows fault, it isn't even their footballing departments fault. It is the so called members and supporters who do not turn up faults.

If Port were able to average 30 000 like they used to and the Crows 40 000 like they used to we wouldn't be in this situation.

Christ the SANFL ahs pumped a lot of money into Footy park over the last 8 eyars to amke it more attractive - new seats, new food outlets, better ammenities all to make it easier for the punters to turn up - BUT NOOOO!!!

I agree with most of the above. However, I do think it's partly the AFL's fault. It's their product, their pricing of tickets, their live against the gate t.v, that could all be contributing to the drop in numbers. They should compensate teams for the drop in crowds with the income received from the television rights. Of course losing and playing poor football also doesn't help.

[The Sleeping Giant]

The major issue here is the Stadium deal, but I am not sure how many posters really understand this.
The SANFL commission have had years to put in place an acceptable stadium deal for both Port and the Crows but they have not done so and I fear this will ultimately cost them control of both AFL licences.

Won't both clubs receive a better deal when they start playing footy at Adelaide Oval?

[CUTTERMAN]

Everyone keeps saying "stadium deal". But do we know what crowd Port will need to make a profit if they got a "clean stadium" deal like what it is in WA (cue Barto, what are the basic costs). Stadium deal, stadium deal, stadium deal etc etc. What are the bloody facts? What are the costs involved? Port aren't going to get to play in a clean stadium for free, so before barking about the next cure-all elixir you'd want to make sure that a 16-20,000 crowd will turn a profit for you. It's easy to say "port make 12million for the SANFL", as an example, but if that is your earnings from attendances what are the costs for staging a game,security, catering, hire/lease of the ground/stadium etc. The SANFL pay for all of that not Port.
Also, who's going to put the much needed money into grass roots footy in SA if the SANFL don't get money from their AFL teams, THE BLOODY AFL HAVE NO DESIRE TO PUMP MONEY INTO FOOTY IN SA!!! ITS UP TO US!

So before blaming the SANFL for everything have a look at why alot of the profits are going to the SANFL and where they're being spent, I don't know the facts but I want to see the full picture presented not just the one that serves someones interests.

[Dutchy]

This is just a stand off between the SANFL and AFL, you cant tell me the SANFL couldnt help them out if they wanted to.

[The Sleeping Giant]

This is just a stand off between the SANFL and AFL, you cant tell me the SANFL couldnt help them out if they wanted to.

They will be forced too won't they? Adelaide Oval deal is for 2 AFL sides playing there.

[Squawk]

Press Conference being streamed live on AdelaideNow at 2pm

[nickname]

This is just a stand off between the SANFL and AFL, you cant tell me the SANFL couldnt help them out if they wanted to.

I believe the SANFL have already stretched their borrowing limit to enable them to pour the money into Port that they have over the last 3 years. I don't think they're just petulantly folding their arms and saying 'No more'.

[dogfish]

The straw that broke the camels back?

The loss to The Suns!

Once that happened, I remembered all the Power supporters over the years that said "Thats it, i'm not going anymore" after just a couple of losses. Now with the embarrassment of being the first team to lose to the new franchise, the wheels fell off the wagon.

I remember thinking on the day of the Suns loss: That game just killed a team.

Attendances are down, the players are seen as second rate, everyone is questioning the coach, the senior players are being dropped.

All Port supporters I grew up with were the types that supported the team that won the most i.e. Magpies and sooked if they lost. This is the typical Magpie supporter base who have deserted them. (I do not count the true current Magpie supporters who have stuck with their SANFL club through this debacle).

Knowing the mindset of the typical Port supporter, the financial woes are absolutely no surprise to me.

[Squawk]

So, (another) rescue package to be put together for Port?

If the club can't borrow cash and nor can the SANFL, that leaves one source - the AFL.

That spells potential disaster for the SANFL comp as no doubt there will be conditions attached to the rescue package that must be adhered to.

eg

naming of the local comp - "AFLSA"?
reduced salary cap?
reduced dividend to SANFL clubs?

heaven only knows what else might be thrown in....

And yet, the press conference proclaimed today as being a great day for Port Adelaide - WTF?

[Barto]

They're going to take everyone down with them and blame the drowning third class passengers instead of the iceberg they didn't look out for.

I'd really like to know where this thought process of "the AFL will strip the licences off the SANFL" is coming from.

[HeartBeatsTrue]

So when does it end? When Adelaide Oval is upgraded?

If Port are crying poor then why did they go to Darwin on Thursday when their oppononents, who are also on a debt reduction scheme, went over later? Brett Deledio was on the footy show (earning money for his club for the appearance) while Port were spending cash in Darwin.
It might be pocket change, but if you want to call accomodation, meals, incidentals for 24 players plus coaches, trainers, officials etc for an extra day as being pocket change, then it doesnt matter as it all adds up. Maybe enough to pay a magpie player for the year. So they may have got a win from it, but what benefit is that when theres little chance of making the 8? Waste of money.

Look at North Melb and Western Bulldogs, they received handouts but at least they tightened their belts at every opportunity. Spend money on facilities as at least that gives you a return.

Port is like a 10 year old kid that gets pocket money and spends it all on mixed lollies 10 minutes later.

[Booney]

So when does it end? When Adelaide Oval is upgraded?

If Port are crying poor then why did they go to Darwin on Thursday when their oppononents, who are also on a debt reduction scheme, went over later? Brett Deledio was on the footy show (earning money for his club for the appearance) while Port were spending cash in Darwin.It might be pocket change, but if you want to call accomodation, meals, incidentals for 24 players plus coaches, trainers, officials etc for an extra day as being pocket change, then it doesnt matter as it all adds up. Maybe enough to pay a magpie player for the year. So they may have got a win from it, but what benefit is that when theres little chance of making the 8? Waste of money.

Look at North Melb and Western Bulldogs, they received handouts but at least they tightened their belts at every opportunity. Spend money on facilities as at least that gives you a return.

Port is like a 10 year old kid that gets pocket money and spends it all on mixed lollies 10 minutes later.

Experience showed that a day extra and a training session in the conditions are more valuable than training in a simulated environment. There is no way you can rubbish them for doing what they felt they needed to and enable them to, as they ultimately did, win the game. They spent that 24 extar hours on 4 premiership points and with the on-field performances copping some of the blame for our financial situation then a win is worth a hell of alot more than the cost of that 24 hours.

Waste of money? No sir, money well spent. ( For a change )

[The Sleeping Giant]

How do Port lose money playing in Darwin? I think you will find they make money out of the trip, otherwise why would they bother.

[HeartBeatsTrue]

So when does it end? When Adelaide Oval is upgraded?

If Port are crying poor then why did they go to Darwin on Thursday when their oppononents, who are also on a debt reduction scheme, went over later? Brett Deledio was on the footy show (earning money for his club for the appearance) while Port were spending cash in Darwin.It might be pocket change, but if you want to call accomodation, meals, incidentals for 24 players plus coaches, trainers, officials etc for an extra day as being pocket change, then it doesnt matter as it all adds up. Maybe enough to pay a magpie player for the year. So they may have got a win from it, but what benefit is that when theres little chance of making the 8? Waste of money.

Look at North Melb and Western Bulldogs, they received handouts but at least they tightened their belts at every opportunity. Spend money on facilities as at least that gives you a return.

Port is like a 10 year old kid that gets pocket money and spends it all on mixed lollies 10 minutes later.

Experience showed that a day extra and a training session in the conditions are more valuable than training in a simulated environment. There is no way you can rubbish them for doing what they felt they needed to and enable them to, as they ultimately did, win the game. They spent that 24 extar hours on 4 premiership points and with the on-field performances copping some of the blame for our financial situation then a win is worth a hell of alot more than the cost of that 24 hours.

Waste of money? No sir, money well spent. ( For a change )

Wow Booney. They are now 16th instead of 17th. Thats gonna get them streaming thru the gates and sponsors are lining up!

How do Port lose money playing in Darwin? I think you will find they make money out of the trip, otherwise why would they bother.

Do they? They were the away team. Richmond were the ones that moved their home game. Even if Port does make money out of it, they could have made more if they went up on Friday. Thats my point.

[doggies4eva]

The thing I noted about the Darwin trip was the admin staff who pulled out of the trip shortly before when they realized that the poop was going to hit the fan.

What were they doing planning to go in the first place? Surely they have jobs in Adelaide (especially considering they must have know the club was going out backwards) but they were happy to go on a junket. To me this points to a very unprofessional attitude.

[am Bays]

So, (another) rescue package to be put together for Port?

If the club can't borrow cash and nor can the SANFL, that leaves one source - the AFL.

That spells potential disaster for the SANFL comp as no doubt there will be conditions attached to the rescue package that must be adhered to.

eg

naming of the local comp - "AFLSA"?
reduced salary cap?
reduced dividend to SANFL clubs?
heaven only knows what else might be thrown in....

And yet, the press conference proclaimed today as being a great day for Port Adelaide - WTF?

PhilH and On the rails would have a better idea than I, but isn't a large proportion of the SANFL dividend actually AFL money to run the development programs - auskick coordination, part funding for elite junior programs, DO salaries?? Very little of the Footy park money comes back to the SANFL clubs as far as I know. Most of it goes into maintaining the stadium and running the SANFL.

[Booney]

So when does it end? When Adelaide Oval is upgraded?

If Port are crying poor then why did they go to Darwin on Thursday when their oppononents, who are also on a debt reduction scheme, went over later? Brett Deledio was on the footy show (earning money for his club for the appearance) while Port were spending cash in Darwin.It might be pocket change, but if you want to call accomodation, meals, incidentals for 24 players plus coaches, trainers, officials etc for an extra day as being pocket change, then it doesnt matter as it all adds up. Maybe enough to pay a magpie player for the year. So they may have got a win from it, but what benefit is that when theres little chance of making the 8? Waste of money.

Look at North Melb and Western Bulldogs, they received handouts but at least they tightened their belts at every opportunity. Spend money on facilities as at least that gives you a return.

Port is like a 10 year old kid that gets pocket money and spends it all on mixed lollies 10 minutes later.

Experience showed that a day extra and a training session in the conditions are more valuable than training in a simulated environment. There is no way you can rubbish them for doing what they felt they needed to and enable them to, as they ultimately did, win the game. They spent that 24 extar hours on 4 premiership points and with the on-field performances copping some of the blame for our financial situation then a win is worth a hell of alot more than the cost of that 24 hours.

Waste of money? No sir, money well spent. ( For a change )

Wow Booney. They are now 16th instead of 17th. Thats gonna get them streaming thru the gates and sponsors are lining up!

Well, if you view it as that, nothing I can do to change it.

I see it as a win, one we sorely needed to give players and fans some joy ( albiet perhaps short lived ) and give the players some confidence to turn the on field issues around.