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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby Dirko » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:10 am

Bunton wrote:Ask your beloved Footy Manager or CEO who hires, pays and asseses your development manager Brad Geddes? Similarly at Glenelg with Lachlan Button. Then tell me who has the responsibility for driving participation. :shock:


Or Warren Ploenges.

However you failed to mention who your Mini League Manager reports to or your Auskick Manager or your School Football Coordinator or your Junior Football Manager etc etc.

The DO may indeed be one of the ones who heads the development zone for the club, but the other "players" in the game report to the club first and foremost.

BTW Barry your Auskick bloke is fantastic and does a great job down your way too !
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby nickname » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:44 am

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nickname wrote:This is a broader problem for football, rather than just for South. And I would have thought the two AFL clubs could and should play a role here (or a bigger one if they do it to some extent now) in promoting the code and the local SANFL clubs with a lot more physical presence by high profile players (current and former) in these zones. I'm told it's not easy to get the AFL clubs interested in this.


Considering the local AFL clubs recruit more people from other states than here and will get propped up financially if they don't get people going to games why would they bother?


I'm not proposing that we sit back and hope they do it, despite it being in their best interests to do so. The AFL and the SANFL have a duty towards the growth of the game and the AFL gives the SANFL a substantial amount of money for that purpose. The SANFL and the AFL need to explain to the AFL clubs that they have a role to play in this.
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby CENTURION » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:08 pm

southee wrote:
redandblack wrote:Read more carefully, southee.

The post said "THE south's" problem, not South Adelaide.

As I said, though, I agree with you. Personally, I think all posts stigmatising people or a suburb or location in general are not only ignorant and boring, but reflect poorly on the poster.

It was a crap post and most would see it as such.


Written by a Central supporter too!! Maybe he can look in his own backyard??? :roll:

Point taken R&B ;)

not posted by a Central supporter to have a dig, just passing on an observation made by someone else, from down south, to me. Take it up with him if you are finding this bitter pill too hard to swallow.
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby redandblack » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:25 pm

It's not a bitter pill, Centurion, it's your version of one person's opinion :roll:
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby CENTURION » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:30 pm

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redandblack wrote:It's not a bitter pill, Centurion, it's your version of one person's opinion :roll:

no, not my version, this is what was told to me. Is it too hard to believe that it COULD be a problem? You hope not!
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby CENTURION » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:34 pm

southee wrote:
redandblack wrote:Read more carefully, southee.

The post said "THE south's" problem, not South Adelaide.

As I said, though, I agree with you. Personally, I think all posts stigmatising people or a suburb or location in general are not only ignorant and boring, but reflect poorly on the poster.

It was a crap post and most would see it as such.


Written by a Central supporter too!! Maybe he can look in his own backyard??? :roll:

Point taken R&B ;)

did I touch a raw nerve? No need to be abusive either, or should I cry to "the mods" as well?
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby redandblack » Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:10 pm

CENTURION wrote:e
redandblack wrote:It's not a bitter pill, Centurion, it's your version of one person's opinion :roll:

no, not my version, this is what was told to me. Is it too hard to believe that it COULD be a problem? You hope not!


What I said :roll:
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby PhilH » Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:29 pm

This maybe a first but I find myself in agreement with Bunton.

In spirit it is a partnership between clubs and the SANFL but the structure clearly has junior football (outside of club development squads) run by development officers whose first priority is as employees of the SANFL.

For further proof I encourage everyone to read the SANFL Junior Football Review from last year and see just how little SANFL clubs are involved in the recommendations and proposed structure.

Now many DO's are club players and at a metro level each club has one allocated who for the sake of logistics is based in ther respective metro zones at the local club.

However in the country many clubs share a DO or as in the Eagles case we share parts of two DO's.

The clubs role is talent identification with development squads then the U16 / U18, club officials here working with the SANFL DO's. As club development squads are high school aged this may lead to primary schools aged footy bring ignored by clubs.


That said I ALSO agree that clubs need to embrace their zone and regardless of this structure develop both participants and I believe just as important future supporters.

This is something I did with Warren Ploenges when at South (probably more than I should have with other fundraising & sponsorship duties). The 2007 auskick day and Panther One memberships are examples of this and to the Panthers credit they have continued with this focus.

This is also probably my #1 area of focus as Community Relations Manager at the Eagles.
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby Mickyj » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:50 pm

Bunton wrote:
Mickyj, for someone who brags about spending all his time at his club, I thought you might know a bit more. Ask your beloved Footy Manager or CEO who hires, pays and asseses your development manager Brad Geddes? Similarly at Glenelg with Lachlan Button. Then tell me who has the responsibility for driving participation. :shock:


Not all my time Bunton I do work fulltime !! Something by reading many of the posts here doesnt happen all that much in your zone!!! ;) Not that I live in my clubs zone but in Ports ;)
But you are proving most of the posters points in this post .Why sit there and type in about the Eagles and the bays or the Dogs .Get off your bums and do the same thing .
Works better than sitting there crying about every other club . ;)
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby Dirko » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:57 pm

PhilH wrote:Now many DO's are club players and at a metro level each club has one allocated who for the sake of logistics is based in ther respective metro zones at the local club.


PhilH. I Lachie Button at Glenelg, Brad Geddes WWT & Trent Goodrem at Central are the only DO's that play for the club.

PhilH wrote:The clubs role is talent identification with development squads then the U16 / U18, club officials here working with the SANFL DO's. As club development squads are high school aged this may lead to primary schools aged footy bring ignored by clubs.


Don't tell Trev that Phil !
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby PhilH » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:17 pm

Please note I emphasied [b]MAY[/b].
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby HOORAY PUNT » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:55 pm

Thanks for that , it was awakward for a moment there.
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby Grahaml » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:12 am

Whether the AFL or SANFL pay blokes to work in certain zones does not excuse a club from working hard to make the best of the kids it has. And if the dogs were asked to stop, I'd be furious if they stopped. Unless a club is actually forced somehow to stop, they should be busting their nuts to get the best of the kids around. And I doubt the SANFL or AFL would be anything but ecstatic about that happening.

So enough of the excuses from South, get on with it.

As for Centurion's case about drugs being an issue, how about not crying foul about what was said, but instead addressing the issue he has raise. Fair enough if he's talking crap call him out on it. But the bottom line is simply whether that's right or not? Do young men in the southern suburbs have a high rate of drug abuse? So far the talk is about whether he's able to say that, whether he's stereotyping or not, but nothing about whether he's simply correct. If the discussion was about the lack of Northern Suburbs teenagers entering university and we said too many of them were preferring to hit the end of a dole queue and work at McDonald's would that be scandalous or simply a reasonably accurate assessment of an issue?

FWIW, Fuller's article seems like a veiled whinge about why his job is harder than most, even perhaps loading up an excuse for failure before it happens. At the least, as a public article it serves no purpose and he might as well draw some pretty pictures. But what I would like to know is, what will he directly do to amend the issues he raises? He offers no solutions or evidence to suggest he or his club are doing anything about it. Instead he seems to be writing a piece that appears to be an expert observation, just from the perspective of someone who is no expert. It's really just about as useful as a Perez Hilton blog about the latest celebrity; All spin and rumour, no substance.
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby southee » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:11 pm

From my personal experience......drugs are a issue in the South, West, North, East, North - East.

Its all over Adelaide.

To say it is just the Southern suburbs is totally generalising and to make a statement like that without looking at the bigger picture is pretty uneducated. :?

Back to the topic now.
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby jim5112 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:15 pm

southee wrote:From my personal experience......drugs are a issue in the South, West, North, East, North - East.

Its all over Adelaide.

To say it is just the Southern suburbs is totally generalising and to make a statement like that without looking at the bigger picture is pretty uneducated. :?

Back to the topic now.


So you have no evidence that drugs are a particular issue in "Central's backyard" and don't want to admit it?
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Re: Interesting observation on SANFL

Postby redandblack » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:29 pm

Ok, let's move on.

Back on topic, please.
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