Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

[beenreal]

If the Magpies become a reserves side of the Power, what happens to Port's under 18 and reserves sides? Do they become a feeder side to fill in the reserves and what happens to the Magpies country zones as they would then be the only club with a designated zone? What happens to SANFL players drafted by the Power? What happens to those supporterswho don't identify solely with either - eg the kid in the prelim budget who was a Magpies and Crows supporter?

Merging administration would give the Magpies more money to spend as this would be covered by the AFL club and potentially the tv earnings etc from the AFL (correct me if wrong here). The SANFL have loaned the Power money - would this then be used to pay Magpie admin costs?

I also believe that if a reserves side is ok'd then adelaide will understandably want their own leading to a further draining of players from the local clubs to fill this side. It seems to be a thin edge of wedge stuff to me and one step closer to the AFL being godfather to all competitions.

North, Sturt, Norwood all had financial problems brought about by bad business decisions, especially with regards to location of pokie emporiums, Port Magpies are paying the price for locating theirs within earshot of the Power club and relocation to another site within their zone, or renovation within the present site may change their receipts. I don't believe that the other SANFL clubs should pay for these bad decisions with a threat to the competition.

I'm happy to be convinced of the need to merge especially if it upholds the strength and integrity of the SANFL.

Well put Finn, and I hear myself say again, what happens when Sturt or any other SANFL club is on the verge of folding, who do they merge with?
AND, can someone please explain how PAMFC can be so financially strained if their attendences are equal to that of Sturts as is their memberships and probably the income generated by TPOW compared to Barzaar for Sturt, add to that Sturts matchday expenses are considerably more than any other club in the comp.
This is bullshit bullshit bullshit, once again this is BULLSHIT!
This arsehole club will be the end of the SANFL.

Still smarting from the Grand Final loss?

I've tried rationally explaining why the reunification should take place. Why losing 75-85% of our revenue impacts on our on-field performance. Why having another club sharing the same name, the same oval and appealing to the same supporter base has impacted on our off-field performance.

But people like you don't want to listen.

So I give up. In fact, I'm glad it pisses you and ALL your Port hating brethren off, to the max!

The reunification is going to take place. Our club is going to be put back together. And there is NOTHING you, or Leigh Whicker and his nest of Vipers at the SANFL can do about it!

God that felt good!

*Edited by mods*

[Media Park]

And Sir, it will feel equally as good when both the Port Adelaide founded in the 90's, and their Reserves side, both miss the finals.

[csbowes]

I wouldn't describe them as an asshole club myself. I have no animosity towards the Port Adelaide Football Club and I didn't have any problem with what happened back in the 1990's with regards the VFL/AFL situation...

...what happened was going to happen regardless and I've gone on record on here to that affect.

That aside my main concern about the merger is simply to do with cold hard cash and playing lists. If the clubs wish to merge their administrations and membership programs, I don't have a problem with that. There's no reason Sturt Football Club could not co-locate its administration services with another entity, its just a matter of finding the right partner(s) and the right place. Of course Port Adelaide in the SANFL is going to benefit financially from that sort of arrangement.

But again, Sturt Football Club could do the same and merge administrative arms with some other club. They tried to get that economy of scale by bringing in the Unley Community Sports Club, but that didn't work. While I wouldn't like to move from Unley Oval, I'm sure there would be options to look at re-locating to Adelaide Oval again and from there the club could merge its administrative arm with that of the SACA or another SANFL club that moved there (like Norwood).

I'm not saying these things should or would happen, but the option is there.

What I do have a problem with is any move to merge the clubs playing lists. Having 10+ left over Power players playing each week in the Magpies side. Having the Power cash flow in anyway going into supporting the Magpies. You can't have the Power and the Magpies linked in that way simply because the SANFL (so Sturt for me) currently own and guarantee the future of the Power, so hithertoo we would be guaranteeing the Magpies.

Nope.

That's just not a fair playing field.

To do that would mean you would need the SANFL to give each club $3m a year in the SANFL to run their affairs. All income from social clubs and pubs is then pooled into the SANFL coffers, so everyone is equal and equally guaranteed survival.

That won't happen, so you can't have that pseudo arrangement in disguise under a Power/Magpies merge.

Unfortunately I think both clubs are trying to achieve that arrangement in a less than open manner.

That I'm not too happy about.

[LBJ8]

As long as the Magpies are around the Power will struggle, the league made the wrong decision leaving the Magpies in the SANFL and now you are left with two average clubs. If you can find a way out of it great but imho the best thing to do longterm is to say goodbye to your Magpies if you want the Power to grow.

[csbowes]

As long as the Magpies are around the Power will struggle, the league made the wrong decision leaving the Magpies in the SANFL and now you are left with two average clubs. If you can find a way out of it great but imho the best thing to do longterm is to say goodbye to your Magpies if you want the Power to grow.

I don't agree with that. The club has suffered because it tried to keep Magpies supporters while trying to recruit Crows-like-but-not-Crows supporters. That was a mistake.

They should have stuck with the old prison bar, full on, Magpie charter.

If you like'em, support'em, if not, bugger off.

Kids growing up don't know sh*t about Alberton Oval, Timmy Evans, Meady etc and their battles with the other clubs, they'll just grow up seeing some team called Port Adelaide thump Sydney and West Coast here and there.

The supporter base will come, but it takes time.

Besides, the Power made a GF in 2007, its not like they've gone 12 seasons without a flag... like the Crows.

[CUTTERMAN]

If the Magpies become a reserves side of the Power, what happens to Port's under 18 and reserves sides? Do they become a feeder side to fill in the reserves and what happens to the Magpies country zones as they would then be the only club with a designated zone? What happens to SANFL players drafted by the Power? What happens to those supporterswho don't identify solely with either - eg the kid in the prelim budget who was a Magpies and Crows supporter?

Merging administration would give the Magpies more money to spend as this would be covered by the AFL club and potentially the tv earnings etc from the AFL (correct me if wrong here). The SANFL have loaned the Power money - would this then be used to pay Magpie admin costs?

I also believe that if a reserves side is ok'd then adelaide will understandably want their own leading to a further draining of players from the local clubs to fill this side. It seems to be a thin edge of wedge stuff to me and one step closer to the AFL being godfather to all competitions.

North, Sturt, Norwood all had financial problems brought about by bad business decisions, especially with regards to location of pokie emporiums, Port Magpies are paying the price for locating theirs within earshot of the Power club and relocation to another site within their zone, or renovation within the present site may change their receipts. I don't believe that the other SANFL clubs should pay for these bad decisions with a threat to the competition.

I'm happy to be convinced of the need to merge especially if it upholds the strength and integrity of the SANFL.

Well put Finn, and I hear myself say again, what happens when Sturt or any other SANFL club is on the verge of folding, who do they merge with?
AND, can someone please explain how PAMFC can be so financially strained if their attendences are equal to that of Sturts as is their memberships and probably the income generated by TPOW compared to Barzaar for Sturt, add to that Sturts matchday expenses are considerably more than any other club in the comp.
This is bullshit bullshit bullshit, once again this is BULLSHIT!
This arsehole club will be the end of the SANFL.

Still smarting from the Grand Final loss?

I've tried rationally explaining why the reunification should take place. Why losing 75-85% of our revenue impacts on our on-field performance. Why having another club sharing the same name, the same oval and appealing to the same supporter base has impacted on our off-field performance.

But people like you don't want to listen.

So I give up. In fact, I'm glad it pisses you and ALL your Port hating brethren off, to the max!

The reunification is going to take place. Our club is going to be put back together. And there is NOTHING you, or Leigh Whicker and his nest of Vipers at the SANFL can do about it!

God that felt good!

Not smarting from a reserves GF loss at all, was a great effort by your boys, so don't be inane.
I'm talking about the health, future and HONEST viability of the SANFL as a stand alone competition. I used Sturt as an example as we have alot of current things in common with the PAMFC financially and concerning crowds. membership etc.
75-85% of your revenue is impacted by sharing a name with another club? There's not many revenue streams for SANFL clubs apart from sponsors, membership, game day takings, fundraisers and draft prospects, on most of these Sturt and Port are pretty well equal (I have no financial place at SFC, but can't really see too many obvious differances) so I can't see how Sturt can still be viable and you guys have your backs against a wall and choose to go for what SEEMS to be the easy option.
To put it simply, how can Sturt be viable and PAMFC not? We are still paying off Barzaar, question, do PAMFC own the POW outright? Cause if they do then they are in a much better financial position than the SFC, ie both clubs are still trying to make a go of their licenced venues(somewhat unsuccessfully) and Sturt don't yet own Barzaar outright, from what I understand.

So, don't call me a *edited*, and that I haven't listened, I have and I'm trying to understand this all and I still haven't got any real answers, only that you share a bloody name...big deal!
There's other clubs in the league struggling in the financial stakes and on the field, so you're not special, you're one of us, so stop putting yourselves before your mates, we're all in this together.
Finally, I want PAMFC to play in the SANFL and I want them to be viable, but I don't want them to be given any special treatment that will harm the comp or what will never be available to the other 8 clubs. My outlook is for the whole of the SANFL (not an anti Port one nor a pro Sturt one), I just see this as a way that the AFL can manipulate more control over OUR comp and thus give up on more our our history and viability for a strong future. Remember this, the AFL are masters of talk, deception and selling an ideal, but unfortunately the "ideal", the "story" is far from the reality of what the outcome will be, so try to look at the bigger picture and into the future and other possibilities of what just might really happen but of course if your club is happy with an SANFL with an Adelaide and Power reserves side playing in it and feel that it's not going to be compromised then far be it from me or anyone else to tell you that you're making another bad decision for yourselves and for all of us, but we'll be eternally gracious that you made that decision just as we were when a true national comp was sold out of any possibility thanks to WA and your good, well meaning selves.

The reunification is going to take place. Our club is going to be put back together. And there is NOTHING you, or Leigh Whicker and his nest of Vipers at the SANFL can do about it!

Sounds like you're in bed with the devil, if so then you're ******!

[Booney]

If the Magpies become a reserves side of the Power, what happens to Port's under 18 and reserves sides? Do they become a feeder side to fill in the reserves and what happens to the Magpies country zones as they would then be the only club with a designated zone? What happens to SANFL players drafted by the Power? What happens to those supporterswho don't identify solely with either - eg the kid in the prelim budget who was a Magpies and Crows supporter?

Merging administration would give the Magpies more money to spend as this would be covered by the AFL club and potentially the tv earnings etc from the AFL (correct me if wrong here). The SANFL have loaned the Power money - would this then be used to pay Magpie admin costs?

I also believe that if a reserves side is ok'd then adelaide will understandably want their own leading to a further draining of players from the local clubs to fill this side. It seems to be a thin edge of wedge stuff to me and one step closer to the AFL being godfather to all competitions.

North, Sturt, Norwood all had financial problems brought about by bad business decisions, especially with regards to location of pokie emporiums, Port Magpies are paying the price for locating theirs within earshot of the Power club and relocation to another site within their zone, or renovation within the present site may change their receipts. I don't believe that the other SANFL clubs should pay for these bad decisions with a threat to the competition.

I'm happy to be convinced of the need to merge especially if it upholds the strength and integrity of the SANFL.

Well put Finn, and I hear myself say again, what happens when Sturt or any other SANFL club is on the verge of folding, who do they merge with?
AND, can someone please explain how PAMFC can be so financially strained if their attendences are equal to that of Sturts as is their memberships and probably the income generated by TPOW compared to Barzaar for Sturt, add to that Sturts matchday expenses are considerably more than any other club in the comp.
This is bullshit bullshit bullshit, once again this is BULLSHIT!
This arsehole club will be the end of the SANFL.

Thats the way to discuss issues mate. Good work, people will really respect your opinion on issues when they read this.

[sjt]

Pretty simple. Port magpies shouldn't be given advantages other clubs aren't getting. They should have to pay for their own admin, like every other SANFL club.

[beenreal]

I rationally explained the reason for the revenue split to Media Park earlier. Not going to write it again.

Simply put:

The SANFL forced the revenue split through the Port Club. Other clubs keep 100% of their cash.

The SANFL forced the Magpies to build new facilities at Ethelton, then rubbed their hands together with glee as Port supporters blamed each other.

The Magpies bought the License to the POW, not the Freehold. They needed an alternative revenue stream and it was the only pub available within their price range. At the time all the pubs were in similar condition but many were subsequently renovated. Port Adelaide had no $$ left to follow suit so got left with reduced patronage as punters went elsewhere.

[CUTTERMAN]

Ok I'll take back the arsehole comment, sorry. I just get fired up when I see the possibility that the SANFL is about to be compromised yet again by the same club that did it 20 years ago.

[CENTURION]

simple, if anything happens that will ruin the current SANFL competition, don't go. I know I won't, neither will thousands of other people.

[CUTTERMAN]

As would be the same for me if both afl teams had reserves teams in the sanfl. Hence the whole issue. This will be a disintegration by degrees at the hand of both ports and the afl.

[CENTURION]

then We will hate them more!

[Barto]

And there is NOTHING you, or Leigh Whicker and his nest of Vipers at the SANFL can do about it!

I wish you lot would stop pointing the finger at the SANFL and blame the AFL. Who gives out the licences to clubs? It's the AFL, not the SANFL. The AFL handed the second licence to the SANFL and they had every right to do with it as they pleased, they sub-let it to your mob and all you do is whine and complain about the conditions of getting that sub-licence.

Blame the AFL for not directly handing the second licence to Port Adelaide.

THe SANFL clubs want their clubs to survive. The SANFL wants to survive. The SANFL and all the people working within their zones to develop players and be an integral part of a sport they love does not make them "a nest of vipers". The AFL clubs were meant to provide a chunk of the cash flow to keep the game going in SA.

[Royal City]

I rationally explained the reason for the revenue split to Media Park earlier. Not going to write it again.

Simply put:

The SANFL forced the revenue split through the Port Club. Other clubs keep 100% of their cash.

The SANFL forced the Magpies to build new facilities at Ethelton, then rubbed their hands together with glee as Port supporters blamed each other.

The Magpies bought the License to the POW, not the Freehold. They needed an alternative revenue stream and it was the only pub available within their price range. At the time all the pubs were in similar condition but many were subsequently renovated. Port Adelaide had no $$ left to follow suit so got left with reduced patronage as punters went elsewhere.

Are these the same "vipers" that agreed to give you $4 mill about 3-4 months ago.

And you Port fans bag out Crows fans for knowing nothing. Hang your heads in shame. To think we use to once respect this club and its fans. Those days are long long gone.Crows fans know who made them and are 100% respectful of the fact unlike you drones.

in 1997 The SANFL handed Port an AFL licence it begged for which was worth $4 mill. Which you agreed to pay back (interest free) over the next 10 year.

It also handed the PAMFC $1 mill to set itself up wherever it liked just not at alberton (not a bad sum of cash for 1996).

Port Adelaide has never completely paid back the $4 mill without any extra charge/penalty interest rates (try and get that from a bank) . It Has been constantly advanced money it was going to receive via the SANFL for the last 3-4 years.

And what gratitiude does the SANFL get for granting PAFC its 10 year old dream of entering the AFL. Labelled "vipers" and blamed for everything that is gone wrong with the club at every available opportunity.

Lets face facts. Port Adelaide is IMHO the most overrated football club in Australia. They had 11500 members in 1996 according to the benchmark document. And according to the latest AO projections they currently have 13500 season ticket holders. Thats is an increase of 2000 people in 15 years. WOW!!! what a club with a future. If the "creed" means so much to Port why is it authors son been kicked out to the streets with his sister squealing all the way ??? .The reason they were succesful was simply Alan Scotts cheque book . And now that is gone Its back to the usual scapegoats.

If the AFl wants to start over ruling the SANFL commissions findings. Then its time for the SANFL commission to stand up or cease to exist as it has now become 100% pointless. This independent commission into everything good for SA football obviously doesnt know as much as the AFL or is it they have different agendas ??? I wonder.

If the AFl honestly wants to take PAFCS licence. Have it. They are nothing but a burden to this league. Cmon Port fans lets hear about the revenue you generate.

Cos Im sure you Port fans are silly enough to believe revenue = profit. But those trained in financial matters know better.

[Voice]

I rationally explained the reason for the revenue split to Media Park earlier. Not going to write it again.

Simply put:

The SANFL forced the revenue split through the Port Club. Other clubs keep 100% of their cash.

The SANFL forced the Magpies to build new facilities at Ethelton, then rubbed their hands together with glee as Port supporters blamed each other.

The Magpies bought the License to the POW, not the Freehold. They needed an alternative revenue stream and it was the only pub available within their price range. At the time all the pubs were in similar condition but many were subsequently renovated. Port Adelaide had no $$ left to follow suit so got left with reduced patronage as punters went elsewhere.

Are these the same "vipers" that agreed to give you $4 mill about 3-4 months ago.

And you Port fans bag out Crows fans for knowing nothing. Hang your heads in shame. To think we use to once respect this club and its fans. Those days are long long gone.Crows fans know who made them and are 100% respectful of the fact unlike you drones.

in 1997 The SANFL handed Port an AFL licence it begged for which was worth $4 mill. Which you agreed to pay back (interest free) over the next 10 year.

It also handed the PAMFC $1 mill to set itself up wherever it liked just not at alberton (not a bad sum of cash for 1996).

Port Adelaide has never completely paid back the $4 mill without any extra charge/penalty interest rates (try and get that from a bank) . It Has been constantly advanced money it was going to receive via the SANFL for the last 3-4 years.

And what gratitiude does the SANFL get for granting PAFC its 10 year old dream of entering the AFL. Labelled "vipers" and blamed for everything that is gone wrong with the club at every available opportunity.

Lets face facts. Port Adelaide is IMHO the most overrated football club in Australia. They had 11500 members in 1996 according to the benchmark document. And according to the latest AO projections they currently have 13500 season ticket holders. Thats is an increase of 2000 people in 15 years. WOW!!! what a club with a future. If the "creed" means so much to Port why is it authors son been kicked out to the streets with his sister squealing all the way ??? .The reason they were succesful was simply Alan Scotts cheque book . And now that is gone Its back to the usual scapegoats.

If the AFl wants to start over ruling the SANFL commissions findings. Then its time for the SANFL commission to stand up or cease to exist as it has now become 100% pointless. This independent commission into everything good for SA football obviously doesnt know as much as the AFL or is it they have different agendas ??? I wonder.

If the AFl honestly wants to take PAFCS licence. Have it. They are nothing but a burden to this league. Cmon Port fans lets hear about the revenue you generate.

Cos Im sure you Port fans are silly enough to believe revenue = profit. But those trained in financial matters know better.

Good post Royal

[Booney]

I rationally explained the reason for the revenue split to Media Park earlier. Not going to write it again.

Simply put:

The SANFL forced the revenue split through the Port Club. Other clubs keep 100% of their cash.

The SANFL forced the Magpies to build new facilities at Ethelton, then rubbed their hands together with glee as Port supporters blamed each other.

The Magpies bought the License to the POW, not the Freehold. They needed an alternative revenue stream and it was the only pub available within their price range. At the time all the pubs were in similar condition but many were subsequently renovated. Port Adelaide had no $$ left to follow suit so got left with reduced patronage as punters went elsewhere.

Are these the same "vipers" that agreed to give you $4 mill about 3-4 months ago.

And you Port fans bag out Crows fans for knowing nothing. Hang your heads in shame. To think we use to once respect this club and its fans. Those days are long long gone.Crows fans know who made them and are 100% respectful of the fact unlike you drones.

in 1997 The SANFL handed Port an AFL licence it begged for which was worth $4 mill. Which you agreed to pay back (interest free) over the next 10 year.

It also handed the PAMFC $1 mill to set itself up wherever it liked just not at alberton (not a bad sum of cash for 1996).

Port Adelaide has never completely paid back the $4 mill without any extra charge/penalty interest rates (try and get that from a bank) . It Has been constantly advanced money it was going to receive via the SANFL for the last 3-4 years.

And what gratitiude does the SANFL get for granting PAFC its 10 year old dream of entering the AFL. Labelled "vipers" and blamed for everything that is gone wrong with the club at every available opportunity.

Lets face facts. Port Adelaide is IMHO the most overrated football club in Australia. They had 11500 members in 1996 according to the benchmark document. And according to the latest AO projections they currently have 13500 season ticket holders. Thats is an increase of 2000 people in 15 years. WOW!!! what a club with a future. If the "creed" means so much to Port why is it authors son been kicked out to the streets with his sister squealing all the way ??? .The reason they were succesful was simply Alan Scotts cheque book . And now that is gone Its back to the usual scapegoats.

If the AFl wants to start over ruling the SANFL commissions findings. Then its time for the SANFL commission to stand up or cease to exist as it has now become 100% pointless. This independent commission into everything good for SA football obviously doesnt know as much as the AFL or is it they have different agendas ??? I wonder.

If the AFl honestly wants to take PAFCS licence. Have it. They are nothing but a burden to this league. Cmon Port fans lets hear about the revenue you generate.

Cos Im sure you Port fans are silly enough to believe revenue = profit. But those trained in financial matters know better.

So who is at fault o-keeper of the wisdom? The SANFL? The AFL? I'm sure you have the answers as you appear to have all bases covered.

I knew you''d be in here to sink the boot in. Must be the only threads you get involved in, when Port get discussed. You sure you dont have a soft spot for us pal?

[Barto]

So who is at fault o-keeper of the wisdom? The SANFL? The AFL? I'm sure you have the answers as you appear to have all bases covered.

I knew you''d be in here to sink the boot in. Must be the only threads you get involved in, when Port get discussed. You sure you dont have a soft spot for us pal?

All three parties (SANFL, AFL and Port themselves) are to blame.

[CENTURION]

sorry Booney but Royal seems to know what he is talking about, must have an informer!

[fish]

All three parties (SANFL, AFL and Port themselves) are to blame.

I thought it was all Norths fault.