RD 19 North lost to Glenelg Post Match Review

[mal]

Security was interesting at games end
The umpires were escorted off by half a dozen of the Weslo staff
However when the GL players came off the ground there was not 1 Weslo staff within 50 mtrs

Star GL forward Justin Mcconnell was embraced by a MALe person about 15 mtrs into the crowd after he came off the oval .
This particular MALe gave Mcconnell a full on hug
No physicality involved
BUT
Next time it could be different with a grim outcome.

Got nothing to do with security, security are given the assignment to escort the players off up until the 2nd siren goes.
Glenelg chose to remain on the oval after the 2nd siren to do some jogs to warm down I assume.
Incidents like that always have a chance to happen if a side decides they want to stay out there, it was why the 2nd siren was introduced, if Glenelg want to disregard that then so be it.

The umpires and North chose to leave the oval before the 2nd siren hence why they had security.

You might want to advise people of the full facts if you're going to go off on another one of your dramas mal, there was nothing wrong with what security did.

In answering your last paragraph refer to my first sentence

[Wedgie]

Security was interesting at games end
The umpires were escorted off by half a dozen of the Weslo staff
However when the GL players came off the ground there was not 1 Weslo staff within 50 mtrs

Star GL forward Justin Mcconnell was embraced by a MALe person about 15 mtrs into the crowd after he came off the oval .
This particular MALe gave Mcconnell a full on hug
No physicality involved
BUT
Next time it could be different with a grim outcome.

Got nothing to do with security, security are given the assignment to escort the players off up until the 2nd siren goes.
Glenelg chose to remain on the oval after the 2nd siren to do some jogs to warm down I assume.
Incidents like that always have a chance to happen if a side decides they want to stay out there, it was why the 2nd siren was introduced, if Glenelg want to disregard that then so be it.

The umpires and North chose to leave the oval before the 2nd siren hence why they had security.

You might want to advise people of the full facts if you're going to go off on another one of your dramas mal, there was nothing wrong with what security did.

In answering your last paragraph refer to my first sentence

Ive re-looked at your first sentence (and its a very long one) and can see no reference to Glenelg staying out on the oval until well after the 2nd siren which I'm sure most would agree is a very important fact in context to your story.

[dedja]

Very poor crowd figure for the game. We know the Bays never draw that many to Prospect but Rooster numbers were down and not surprisingly given our form over the past 6 weeks or so.

Why North persist with the unnecessary Sunday fixtures is beyond me and I'm sure we only did it to accomodate Glenelg who only ever get good crowds at the Bay so why bother at Prospect.

Sat arvo football should be the clubs main wish re the draw next year!

Agreed, 2500 was very average.

[Adam4]

Bays deserved winners - ran harder off the ball to space, back up their team mates and played direct for most of the game despite North's flooding. The the bays smaller and mid sized players were just too physically stronger than ours in terms of being able to break tackles and also to apply tackles to our players and that allowed us no space and no run for most of the game.

From a North perspective the following:

Why when Ackland wasn't playing didn't Healy bring in either McEntee or James Craig to ruck instead of Thompson?
Why did Alleway play when he couldnt get his right arm up past his shoulder but at least he has a crack all day despite the odds and the injury? It doesn't help having Gill and Dodman unavailable but with Alleway restricted and O'Hara injured for more than half the game it left White as our only tall fwd when Stewart went into ruck?
Those two "selection" gambles were just plain dumb!
How does Armstrong continue to get a game?
Before we recruit any players we need to recruit a skills coach and a tackling coach. We couldn't hit the ocean with a kick if were standing on the shoreline at present and our tackling is deplorable - I doubt the likes of some of those softies in our league side at present would be able to make or break a tackle in the mini league!
How about the coach tries a new game plan for the remainder of the season - going long and direct "down the guts" instead of that dangerous across the ground rubbish that again coughed up at least 4 easy goals to opposition. Considering we won the centre clearances without either of our 1 and 2 ruckman at least gives an idea we can get the ball!

Finally the umpiring - terrible all day for both sides. Is it too much for a supporter to expect consistency? Instead you have to hold your breath every time the whisltle goes and try and guess which way they are going to pay a free?

It is all simple .... a Team of Champions cannot beat a Champion Team, and North is yet to learn how to play like a team consistently. The last time we did was against Sturt and the result speaks for itself.

Umpiring, well it was consistent .... bad both ways!

[mal]

Security was interesting at games end
The umpires were escorted off by half a dozen of the Weslo staff
However when the GL players came off the ground there was not 1 Weslo staff within 50 mtrs

Star GL forward Justin Mcconnell was embraced by a MALe person about 15 mtrs into the crowd after he came off the oval .
This particular MALe gave Mcconnell a full on hug
No physicality involved
BUT
Next time it could be different with a grim outcome.

Got nothing to do with security, security are given the assignment to escort the players off up until the 2nd siren goes.
Glenelg chose to remain on the oval after the 2nd siren to do some jogs to warm down I assume.
Incidents like that always have a chance to happen if a side decides they want to stay out there, it was why the 2nd siren was introduced, if Glenelg want to disregard that then so be it.

The umpires and North chose to leave the oval before the 2nd siren hence why they had security.

You might want to advise people of the full facts if you're going to go off on another one of your dramas mal, there was nothing wrong with what security did.

In answering your last paragraph refer to my first sentence

Ive re-looked at your first sentence (and its a very long one) and can see no reference to Glenelg staying out on the oval until well after the 2nd siren which I'm sure most would agree is a very important fact in context to your story.

Umpires were escorted off the ground by security
GL players came off the ground with no security
THIS IS WHAT I SAW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the only relevancy in my post
Whether the siren is sounded once twice or 4,234,876,895,238,976,000 times makes no difference to what I saw
Hence my opening sentence
###Security was interesting at games end####

The main concern is that there was no immediate protection by security for the GL players if there was a prob
That was my concern irrespective of whatever the Security firms duties were

As for you asking me to get the facts right that is irrelevant to my post as well

The only time I would have needed to have my facts right is if I actually posted the Security firm was at fault

[Wedgie]

Umpires were escorted off the ground by security
GL players came off the ground with no security
THIS IS WHAT I SAW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the only relevancy in my post
Whether the siren is sounded once twice or 4,234,876,895,238,976,000 times makes no difference to what I saw
Hence my opening sentence
###Security was interesting at games end####

The main concern is that there was no immediate protection by security for the GL players if there was a prob
That was my concern irrespective of whatever the Security firms duties were

As for you asking me to get the facts right that is irrelevant to my post as well

The only time I would have needed to have my facts right is if I actually posted the Security firm was at fault

Your initial post gave the impression that nothing out of the ordinary happened and security just failed to escort Glenelg off the park.
A VERY relevent point is the fact Glenelg elected to stay out on the park longer than other clubs and the umpires and were out there which you conveniently left out.
Your initial post gave the impression that it was an issue with security when in fact it was an issue with the Glenelg FC.
If they want to stay out on an oval after a game its all very well and good but they'll need to hire their own security and put up with kids kicking footballs and drunk idiots getting near them, that's the risk they pose.
I'm suprised the SANFL allow it as I would have thought they don't like this happening hence why they introduced the 2nd siren rule years back.

All I'm saying is if you're going to tell a story, deliver the facts, don't just pick bits and pieces out of it that make it sound like something it wasn't, it seems to be a regular occurance of yours. We know how you love making mountains out of molehills. Weren't you staying away from this site till you got below 100kgs anyway? (or did you leave something out of that story too?)
I assume you're a man of your word so congratulations on achieving your goal mate!

[drebin]

If they want to stay out on an oval after a game its all very well and good but they'll need to hire their own security and put up with kids kicking footballs and drunk idiots getting near them, that's the risk they pose.
I'm suprised the SANFL allow it as I would have thought they don't like this happening hence why they introduced the 2nd siren rule years back.

A couple of points there Wedgie from your last post:
1. We were at the other end.
2. In any case we would be too lazy and not bothered these days.
3. And why would we waste our abuse on the Bays, we should waste it on those that deserve it - our own players!

[Wedgie]

A couple of points there Wedgie from your last post:
1. We were at the other end.
2. In any case we would be too lazy and not bothered these days.
3. And why would we waste our abuse on the Bays, we should waste it on those that deserve it - our own players!

A good point Drebin and I do apologise. Mind you I was drinking Lift and Fanta but I suppose rocking up half pissed from the night before might qualify me.

[bayman]

I was robbed today
I told the Weslo security about it
I told them that I bought bottled water at the food stall
I was charged $3-50

No excuse to sell water for that much
Dont mind if I have to spend $5 for a pie or pasty or $10 for a steak sanga becoz the food might have to be thrown away
In fact the BBQ prices are more than reasonable[about $5 steak sanga and about $2-50 snag]
But to spend $3-50 on water that can still be sold round 1 next year is incomprehensible

c'mon mal i saw you put the bottle in your pocket so you'll get 10 cents back

[bayman]

now wedgie & mal lets not have a tiff !! the fact is mal gave a cryptic clue with who the bloke was that hugged macconnell, he used the word 'grim' so this bloke was todd grima as for the security mals point is if an idiot lunged out at a player with an object that could be very harmful there was no one in authority (weslo) within 15 meters of the players race, ok the point wedgie makes about the 2nd siren etc & it is valid but there were 2 glenelg players who walked off earlier & there were no security with them, they were willoughby who needed some stitches done & the other i can't remember who it was to be honest but it was clearly before the 2nd siren

now wedgie & mal kiss & make up

[Ian]

Very poor crowd figure for the game. We know the Bays never draw that many to Prospect but Rooster numbers were down and not surprisingly given our form over the past 6 weeks or so.

Why North persist with the unnecessary Sunday fixtures is beyond me and I'm sure we only did it to accomodate Glenelg who only ever get good crowds at the Bay so why bother at Prospect.

Sat arvo football should be the clubs main wish re the draw next year!

You are spot on about Sundays, if it was a Saturday (except next week) I would have been there, Sundays is for Jnr footy

[Tiger Couple]

Security was interesting at games end
The umpires were escorted off by half a dozen of the Weslo staff
However when the GL players came off the ground there was not 1 Weslo staff within 50 mtrs

Star GL forward Justin Mcconnell was embraced by a MALe person about 15 mtrs into the crowd after he came off the oval .
This particular MALe gave Mcconnell a full on hug
No physicality involved
BUT
Next time it could be different with a grim outcome.

Got nothing to do with security, security are given the assignment to escort the players off up until the 2nd siren goes.
Glenelg chose to remain on the oval after the 2nd siren to do some jogs to warm down I assume.
Incidents like that always have a chance to happen if a side decides they want to stay out there, it was why the 2nd siren was introduced, if Glenelg want to disregard that then so be it.

The umpires and North chose to leave the oval before the 2nd siren hence why they had security.

You might want to advise people of the full facts if you're going to go off on another one of your dramas mal, there was nothing wrong with what security did.

If you had half decent facilities for the umpires and Away Team then there would be no need for the Security to escort them off. Put a fence up to keep the players and umpires safe (we have done this at the Bay for the Umpires) and away from the Crowd. If the Changerooms arn't big enough for a warm down area then I think we are justified in staying on the ground. As it was only a matter of a couple of minutes longer the security had no excuse. We have stayed on the ground at other venues and not had security stay but we also haven't had to walk through the crowd due to decent facilities.

It could be a supporter from the away club that causes a drama after a game if they are disgruntled enough with there team. Not once has anyone said it would be a North supporter causing the trouble, but the way some people have been going off at there own team on here I guess your player are used to copping it from there fans.

On the other hand I can understand why they huddled around the Umpires Room because with there performance that had p*s*ed both lots of supporters off and maybe thought they needed the protection.

Very poor crowd figure for the game. We know the Bays never draw that many to Prospect but Rooster numbers were down and not surprisingly given our form over the past 6 weeks or so.

Why North persist with the unnecessary Sunday fixtures is beyond me and I'm sure we only did it to accomodate Glenelg who only ever get good crowds at the Bay so why bother at Prospect.

Sat arvo football should be the clubs main wish re the draw next year!

From memory last year North asked Glenelg to play at Prospect on the SUNDAY rather than Saturday as they had been struggling to draw a crowd. Maybe if it wasn't so hard to find a park near the ground more people would go to the game.

From my memory you may be colour blind and only see Red and White but there was a fair percentage of Black and Gold at the game Sunday. I think you will find that the Bays are one of the stronger travelling supporter groups in the SANFL.

[Wedgie]

If the Changerooms arn't big enough for a warm down area then I think we are justified in staying on the ground. As it was only a matter of a couple of minutes longer the security had no excuse. We have stayed on the ground at other venues and not had security stay but we also haven't had to walk through the crowd due to decent facilities.

That doesn't make sense, the only reason they had to walk through the crowd was because they left after the 2nd siren when kids are on the oval having a kick to kick, this occurs at every home ground unless other games you've been to haven't been played on an oval?
No other club has felt the need to stay out on the oval after the 2nd siren in the whole time its been a rule. Perhaps if Glenelg feel the need to change things they should consult the SANFL about it beforehand so extra security and/or possible rule changes can be made to accomodate them? Common sense I would have thought.

It could be a supporter from the away club that causes a drama after a game if they are disgruntled enough with there team. Not once has anyone said it would be a North supporter causing the trouble, but the way some people have been going off at there own team on here I guess your player are used to copping it from there fans..

I'm not sure why you'd even bring North fans into it, mal's concern were because he saw an injured Glenelg player invading the ground and hugging an existing Glenelg player. Its usually away fans that frequent that area of the ground.
I doubt our playes are used to copping it as they come off the ground, Ive only ever seen encouragement or disappointment, Ive never once at Prospect or any other ground seen North players copping it as they leave the ground, why would you make this sort of irrelevent point with no factual basis?
I haven't really noticed any North fans being overly abusive to their players on here, can you point me to the relevent threads please? Ive seen some be critical of their skills and showing a bit of dismay at parts of the gameplan but hardly anything that would warrant players copping it as they're going off which once again I've never witnessed.

Anyay mal has now started another thread bringing up the shocking incident at Prospect on Sunday, I've lent my support to him in that thread and I implore others to and perhaps we'll just leave this thread for a review of the game and bring up any terrorist like acts on the new thread.

[dedja]

Bays far too good.

North not good enough ... supporters are deserting the team in droves.

Thread now back on track.

[Wedgie]

Bays far too good.

North not good enough ... supporters are deserting the team in droves.

Thread now back on track.

I agree with your first part but I thought there was more North supporters there on Sunday than Bays fans and I have been impressed with our attendances this year. Can only recall 2 maybe 3 games when we were outnumbered (might be 4 but I missed the Parade game) which considering how we've played is quite extraordinary and commendable IMHO.

[drebin]

From memory last year North asked Glenelg to play at Prospect on the SUNDAY rather than Saturday as they had been struggling to draw a crowd. Maybe if it wasn't so hard to find a park near the ground more people would go to the game.

From my memory you may be colour blind and only see Red and White but there was a fair percentage of Black and Gold at the game Sunday. I think you will find that the Bays are one of the stronger travelling supporter groups in the SANFL.

1st point - North accomodated the Bays request last year to play it on Sunday and there was plenty of media talk about it and there was plenty of anger towards the NAFC and the CEO from North fans about agreeing to the move. Both clubs felt they would draw a better crowd so the same was done this year.

2nd point - Where did I say that there wasn't a fair percentage of black and gold (or is it yellow?). Going by the crowd numbers you get at the Bay on Sundays compared to how many of the "loyal" supporters were at Prospect on Sunday would indicate you have a lot of "Sunday afternoon day at the Bay bandwaggoners". I live at the Bay and often go to games on Sundays at the Bay when North are not playing and I have a lot of friends who follow Glenelg and they only ever go to the Bay on a Sunday to watch Glenelg and that has only been in the last 3 or so years where the Bays have become a top side. The majority of those friends are not members either so I wouldn't count your home game figures as any indicator of how many loyal bay fans go week in week out. I wouldn't say your travelling support is any better than most of the more highly supported clubs. Remember it all depends on how well your team is doing!

[leftlegger]

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2nd point - Where did I say that there wasn't a fair percentage of black and gold (or is it yellow?). Going by the crowd numbers you get at the Bay on Sundays compared to how many of the "loyal" supporters were at Prospect on Sunday would indicate you have a lot of "Sunday afternoon day at the Bay bandwaggoners". I live at the Bay and often go to games on Sundays at the Bay when North are not playing and I have a lot of friends who follow Glenelg and they only ever go to the Bay on a Sunday to watch Glenelg and that has only been in the last 3 or so years where the Bays have become a top side. The majority of those friends are not members either so I wouldn't count your home game figures as any indicator of how many loyal bay fans go week in week out. I wouldn't say your travelling support is any better than most of the more highly supported clubs. Remember it all depends on how well your team is doing!

Spot on there drebin.

There are plenty of Glenelg supporters who prefer a saturday game. me being one of them.
I couldnt make it to the prospect game this week as it was on a sunday

[Big Phil]

Good stroy on Roury Kirkby from the Messenger website, who I thought presented very well for the Bays at Prospect on Sunday.


Link - http://guardian-messenger.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/time-to-step-up-kirkby/

Time to step up: Kirkby


Glenelg forward Roury Kirkby

RUORY Kirkby knew the expectation was coming.

John Hinge broke his ankle then Todd Grima fractured his wrist leaving Glenelg without two of its most dangerous forwards last month.

Suddenly the focus up forward was on 23-year-old Kirkby.

``I’ve been lucky because when Todd’s there he usually gets the best defender,’’ Kirkby said.

``Normally we have three or four targets but (last) week I was the only permanent forward - it was good in a way because the ball always comes to you.

``But I’m looking at it as a challenge and now I’ve got to step up.’’

And against Norwood a fortnight ago, he did.

Kirkby kicked five goals in what football operations manager Ken Applegarth labelled his ``best game for the club’’.

He’s now booted 30 goals for the season, equal with Grima and ahead of other teammates Josh Willoughby (17) and Hinge (13).

And he’s hoping to keep that form going given Grima and Hinge are battling to make it back in time for finals.

But the former Hawthorn rookie said the ladder-leading Tigers were better positioned to challenge for this year’s premiership after the 2008 Grand Final loss.

``This time last year we probably hit our peak,’’ he said.

``And this year, our last month hasn’t been that great but we’re finding ways to win.

``There’s still a lot of improvement to be made.

``Blokes have experienced finals now. Last year we hadn’t gone that far in finals in a long time. Now we know what’s going to hit us.’’

With 74 games to his name, Kirkby now sees himself as one of the more senior players in the group.

``When I first came to the club four years ago there were only a handful of blokes who had played 30-40 games.

``Now we’ve got 10-15 who have played around 50 games and five more have played 80-100.

``I see myself as trying to lead the way and help the young guys as well.’’

Kirkby, who works in insurance, signs one-year deals with Glenelg and can’t see himself going anywhere just yet.

``We’ll talk about it at the end of the year,’’ he said.

``But I haven’t enjoyed my footy this much before.

``When I came here I wasn’t sure how long I was going to hang around for. But I want to play at the highest level possible for as long as possible.’’

[dedja]

Thanks BP ...

[am Bays]

Virtually every away game this year we have either stayed out on the ground or come back on the ground and done a cool down on the oval. The likelihood of anything happening is small and also it allows kids to get a few extra autographs from players as they walk back in.