NAFC injunction on the SANFL re the Power

[Wedgie]

Wedgie, just to clarify, I thought I read earlier in this topic that you will try to find out the basis of this rumour from 'digging' at the club (NAFC) ... ie. hopefully finding the facts.

If so, I assume you will report back via a post here (whatever is non-confidential of course).

Ta.

Will do mate! I'm only going on what the initial poster wrote at this stage as I don't even listen to 5AA these days.

[dedja]

Wedgie, just to clarify, I thought I read earlier in this topic that you will try to find out the basis of this rumour from 'digging' at the club (NAFC) ... ie. hopefully finding the facts.

If so, I assume you will report back via a post here (whatever is non-confidential of course).

Ta.

Will do mate! I'm only going on what the initial poster wrote at this stage as I don't even listen to 5AA these days.

Thanks

[Wedgie]

Wedgie, just to clarify, I thought I read earlier in this topic that you will try to find out the basis of this rumour from 'digging' at the club (NAFC) ... ie. hopefully finding the facts.

If so, I assume you will report back via a post here (whatever is non-confidential of course).

Ta.

Will do mate! I'm only going on what the initial poster wrote at this stage as I don't even listen to 5AA these days.

Thanks

Us true SANFL footy fans can only hope its true though.
Wouldn't it be great having a SANFL club take on those clowns at Aami as well as the AFL who wouldn't be happy.
Would send a very strong message to them about how proud we are of our comp and how much we treasure it!
I've put a lot of shit on the current North board and Admin but if they have done this then all is forgiven!

North's legal eagles are very good (I've almost learn that first hand on a few occasions! lol).
Im sure they'd only do it if the Power's financial return overall is crappy crap crap and they'd have a lot more idea about the exact financial returns then those clueless few on here that champion the amount made from hot dogs and records and believe what they're spoon fed from the SANFL.

Good on them too as unlike in 2003 we now have the resources to do it and those SANFL clubs in most trouble woulnd't which is what the SANFL and Power would be banking on.

[dedja]

dedja is rare to see some balanced posting when it comes to this issue .... well played (under fire!)

Most of the SANFL's revenues come from the AAMI Stadium home games as you correctly say

It's not a direct dividend from the AFL teams to the SANFL clubs, even though they do pay one to the SANFL each year (Port have only missed 2 dividends in 12 years IIRC), but it's the money spun for the SANFL from the AFL games at AAMI which indirectly benefits the SANFL clubs.

It's whether the annual dividend from the SANFL to the SANFL clubs is at risk because of this loan the SANFL need to take out. Don't have the answer to that one. Leigh Whicker has said it's not but I guess only the future will tell.

Remember too that all AFL clubs are in line for an even bigger distribution from the AFL when the next TV rights deal is sorted. I think what we have is a short term funding need for the Power and in 5 years this will all have blown over.

Just trying to keep to the facts

[SABRE]

Leaving aside the politics of this issue, the thing that really grinds my gears, is that the blood
sweat and tears of South Australian local clubs during 3 centuries of effort, paid for Football
Park (not AAMI bloody stadium). And although it belongs to all of us, the bunnies who bought
and built it, WE don't even get to play there during the season.
Who does?
The plastic illegitimate spawn of criminal, Victorian forced, football manufacturing.
May karma strike in my lifetime !

[csbowes]

I'm really astounded by some of the comments in here from people... everyone seems to be running around blaming the Crows and Power for the woes of the SANFL...

Those teams suck <insert crying>

Those teams ruined the SANFL <insert more crying>

Those teams do nothing for the SANFL <insert more crying>

Seriously. I'm not a fan of the AFL. I hate the Crows, stupid made up dumb ass club. But lets be honest with ourselves, our league is in the position it is because of many factors completely out of the control of our two AFL clubs. The league was under pressure to join the AFL as soon as the WAFL gave in and joined the expaned VFL. That pressure was compounded by Port Adelaide's ambition (lets not whine about that), but it wasn't just them.

MOST IMPORTANTLY... your friends, my friends, everyone we know and saw at the local games completely and utterly deserted the SANFL competition in favour of some plastic-fantastic corporate game. The two AFL clubs did not cause this problem. They are but a bi-product of the leagues decision and ultimately the public voting with its feet and abandoning what was once the No.1 footballing focus in this state. From that moment on, SANFL clubs would completely rely on the income of the AFL teams.

Hindering Port from making the best of things is really cutting off your nose to spite your face on a grand scale.

... and lets not run about acting like some of the local clubs are on moral high ground here, when it came to the U18s competition, a bunch of them rallied together to shaft the other half of the league for the sake of money plus a bunch of them tried to get AFL licenses themselves, how ridiculous was that and finally, lets remember there weren't too many tears shed as pretty much every club slit Woodville's throat and sent them down the ganges without so much as a bon voyage!

There's no nobility or sacrificing oneself for the greater good of the league here. If North is doing something, its doing it for itself first and foremost and any benefit to the other 8 clubs would merely be a favourable knock on effect.

The bottom line here is the 9 clubs need AFC and PAFC making good money and getting good crowds and doing well, as in the end, that all results in a more profitable SANFL and hence fiscally stronger SANFL clubs. To think otherwise is putting your head in the sand. If you really disagree, I'd suggest you move your club into A1, so you can feel clean and removed from any dirty AFL money. But look around, tens of thousands of "modern" football fans don't give a rats about our clubs.

That's who I blame.

Those so-called fans of each and every one of our clubs who walked away... no love there whatsoever.

[dedja]

Pretty fair and colourful summary csbowes ...

[harley d]

And all is forgiven by some backstabbing anti Jars folks. Sorry Jars what we posted we didnt mean .....well now anyway, not that our lawyers are in the back pocket . Long live North !!

[Wedgie]

And all is forgiven by some backstabbing anti Jars folks.

Apology accepted mate.
Not sure if the kind folk at Perth would though.

[harley d]

You were quick to jump on this one Wedgie ?

[csbowes]

Leaving aside the politics of this issue, the thing that really grinds my gears, is that the blood
sweat and tears of South Australian local clubs during 3 centuries of effort, paid for Football
Park (not AAMI bloody stadium). And although it belongs to all of us, the bunnies who bought
and built it, WE don't even get to play there during the season.
Who does?
The plastic illegitimate spawn of criminal, Victorian forced, football manufacturing.
May karma strike in my lifetime !

Why play at Football Park when no one goes to our games? As noted in my previous message, its our own clubs fans who walked away and chose to give the jewels of our league to the AFL clubs. No one is to blame here but our own league, our own clubs, our own clubs fans. Victoria is not to blame. Shaking their arse and looking pretty is all they did, we were the one's who walked over and offered money...

They might have prostituted themselves for money...

... but in the end, we're still the John.

[csbowes]

Pretty fair and colourful summary csbowes ...

Why thankyou Dedja...

I just think a lot of us get emotive and like to blame someone for what happened around here, but the answer is in the mirror, its ourselves, its not AFC or PAFC or even the Victorians. What I don't understand is SANFL fans were SO diehard, or so I thought, how could 3/4 of them just leave and not follow their local club anymore.

How can you love Kernahan, Evans, McIntosh, Whittlesea etc one moment, but then not give a toss the next whether that club even made it to the next round of matches. That's what I just fail to understand. I know the AFL has created a significantly higher calibre of players, but you love what you love, people obviously didn't love it like me.

[csbowes]

The other thing people should keep in mind is look and see how much help SANFL clubs received when they were rock bottom and going to the wall... as a Sturt fan, I'm confident of saying we got an understanding nod from the league but pretty much sweet F.A else.

I can't say with any accuracy how Glenelg and West Adelaide and so on have fared as they strung wooden spoons together in recent times, but I'd bet they received similar support. The SANFL is about AFC and PAFC, not our clubs, not anymore.

[dedja]

Pretty fair and colourful summary csbowes ...

Why thankyou Dedja...

I just think a lot of us get emotive and like to blame someone for what happened around here, but the answer is in the mirror, its ourselves, its not AFC or PAFC or even the Victorians. What I don't understand is SANFL fans were SO diehard, or so I thought, how could 3/4 of them just leave and not follow their local club anymore.

How can you love Kernahan, Evans, McIntosh, Whittlesea etc one moment, but then not give a toss the next whether that club even made it to the next round of matches. That's what I just fail to understand. I know the AFL has created a significantly higher calibre of players, but you love what you love, people obviously didn't love it like me.

I can understand the blame game to some extent as it was a fairly emotive set of circumstances that gave birth to the Crows and therefore changed the SANFL forever ... but it's time to get over it now.

Why did/do people migrate to the AFL to the detrement of the SANFL ... that again is understandable unfortunately as there are more AFL fans that have no clue about footy or have not grown up with it than those that follow the SANFL and most have to make a choice of one over the other.

I would rather stand on the hill at Glenelg oval amongst 4,000 people anyday rather than go to Footy Park with 40,000 lemmings following one team.

The SANFL have definitely got one thing right ... it is the real Deal.

[csbowes]

Pretty fair and colourful summary csbowes ...

Why thankyou Dedja...

I just think a lot of us get emotive and like to blame someone for what happened around here, but the answer is in the mirror, its ourselves, its not AFC or PAFC or even the Victorians. What I don't understand is SANFL fans were SO diehard, or so I thought, how could 3/4 of them just leave and not follow their local club anymore.

How can you love Kernahan, Evans, McIntosh, Whittlesea etc one moment, but then not give a toss the next whether that club even made it to the next round of matches. That's what I just fail to understand. I know the AFL has created a significantly higher calibre of players, but you love what you love, people obviously didn't love it like me.

I can understand the blame game to some extent as it was a fairly emotive set of circumstances that gave birth to the Crows and therefore changed the SANFL forever ... but it's time to get over it now.

Why did/do people migrate to the AFL to the detrement of the SANFL ... that again is understandable unfortunately as there are more AFL fans that have no clue about footy or have not grown up with it than those that follow the SANFL and most have to make a choice of one over the other.

I would rather stand on the hill at Glenelg oval amongst 4,000 people anyday rather than go to Footy Park with 40,000 lemmings following one team.

The SANFL have definitely got one thing right ... it is the real Deal.

I couldn't agree more with those last couple of statements.

[Macca19]

Maybe if Port actually paid its dividends. We wouldnt have to go thru all this.

Interesting the SANFL has done so much for Port. For so little gratitude.

Honestly, do you have any ******* clue at all about the crap you spew on this forum on a daily basis? The Power have paid a dividend in every year except two, including every year this decade. They pay a set amount per year independant of any profit/loss they make. This is standard. They pay it regardless. Adding to that, Port games at Footy Park have contributed $40 MILLION to the SANFL since theyve been in the AFL.

Its obvious youre a tad slow and extremely bloody ignorant, but do try and keep up. Its not that difficult to live in 2009 instead of 1999

[Macca19]

Every time Port plays at Footy Park ... just because they don't make any money doesn't mean the SANFL doesn't

This is a club initiave, not an SANFL one. Has your club ever received a dividend fron the Power?[/quote]

One would think such a clever fellow with an intricate knowledge of history would know a thing or two about this.

[Macca19]

I haven't missed the "point" at all. North Adelaide are wondering why Port Adelaide should be bailed out all the time when the clubs are getting nothing from them. So am I. I can't give a stuff what the SANFL get out of it, I care about my club.

When my club was really struggling financially, who was there to help us?

Whats this 'all the time' bullshit? On what other occasion other than this year has the SANFL 'bailed us out'?

If the clubs are getting jack shit from the SANFL, maybe ask them about it, considering they have been taking $400k from every Port game played PLUS the end of year dividend since weve been in the AFL.

So yes, you obviously have missed the point, by quite a large margin.

[Macca19]

Well its the first I have heard about the licence being " signed over ".

Was discussed on the last occasion that Andrew Demetriou was interviewed by Graham Cornes and Stephen Rowe on the 5AA sports show, not even remotely unsubstantiated.

This is correct, it was discussed, and if i remember rightly, Demetriou laughed at Cornes and told him he was an idiot and that in no way known it would ever happen.

As has also been found out, the whole selling the licence to Tassie was a practical joke played by a Crows supporting MP. This has never been any basis for this at all, except with Graham Cornes who took it and ran.

And well done dedja, csbowes and hondo for actually looking at the situation clearly.

[Psyber]

Since I couldn't get Crows membership in reasonable time, and I'm not interested in paying even a small fee to be on a waiting list, I might look at membership of the alternative SA team if they were a composite team and not Port Adelaide. As it stands, barracking for them against Victorian teams is as far as I'll go..
NAFC are doing the right thing in forcing a full examination of the issues.