AFL Reserves Discussion...

[UK Fan]

The rain in the cricket will help. This thread more chance to get to 299 than Australia unfortunately.

Like!!!

[smac]

Got him, yes!

[PhilH]

Not that desperate

To answer - Winning a flag always helps.

Highlight of my time here was taking the premiership cup around the community and sharing it with as many locals as we could. (although I was always scared of it going missing).

Eagles had a solid adult membership and home crowd boost in 2012 after the 2011 flag (hosting ANZAC Day game the big advantage).

But from a kids view point it's the accessibility and the experience that is key.

When I came back from QLD in 1999 it is probably fair to say I was more Crows than Eagles, it was just easier to follow AFL from QLD than SANFL (remember minimal internet then).

I moved to Sportsman's Drive West Lakes just 150m from AAMI all set for a great season of AFL action with the occasional Eagles game.

But I just found the SANFL a much easier & enjoyable product and then when my kids soon arrived they too preferred an afternoon they could roll around the hill at Woodville to being boxed into a small seat at AAMI.


It got to the point where I watched the last showdown and as the Power stormed home I felt ............ nothing.

As the side virtually representing 8 SANFL clubs in the AFL the Crows have always has a large SANFL factor in their supporter base.

Sure it is 23 years later but I wonder how much support the Crows may lose if they do not play this right and become a competitor rather than partner.

[SDK]

Many people on this forum are saying talk of the Crows coming into the SANFL is affecting crowds THIS year. What will it be like when they actually get in ?????????????
The Crows self interest has a lot to answer for and I am disgusted by it. I feel like vomiting when I am forced to look at Steven Trigg on my television. The Crows having a reserves side is such a minor issue in the scheme of things and this poor excuse for a human being is willing to prostitute himself to achieve something so lacking in importance to the Crows abject failure as a club.
This poor excuse for a football club is trying to deny thousands of people something they live and die for week in week out and have no interest in watching a hybrid basketball game called AFL.

[BirdOfPrey]

Just on the kids and who they would follow , my 6 yo daughter asked me about the No Afl in Sanfl thing awhile ago.

I tried to explain it to her and said this means the Eagles may play against the Crows......first thing she said was " dad who will we follow", this of course made me upset.

Anyway after more chats she now dislikes the Crows and anything Afl.

But as of next year it's Over And Out for me as I can't follow the SAMMFL ( SA Mickey Mouse Footy League).
So sorry Phil you will lose at least one Jnr Member next year, as the whole family will be doing something else on Saturdays .

RIP SANFL

[areaman]

As the side virtually representing 8 SANFL clubs in the AFL the Crows have always has a large SANFL factor in their supporter base.

Sure it is 23 years later but I wonder how much support the Crows may lose if they do not play this right and become a competitor rather than partner.

This is where I can't get my head around what is likely to happen next year.

How can a rational person support their AFL team on a Saturday and then barrack against that same teams reserves side on a Sunday.

Regardless of intention the Crows are turning themselves into a rival to the Eagles (in my case).

It's just loopy.

[SABRE]

Many people on this forum are saying talk of the Crows coming into the SANFL is affecting crowds THIS year. What will it be like when they actually get in ?????????????
The Crows self interest has a lot to answer for and I am disgusted by it. I feel like vomiting when I am forced to look at Steven Trigg on my television. The Crows having a reserves side is such a minor issue in the scheme of things and this poor excuse for a human being is willing to prostitute himself to achieve something so lacking in importance to the Crows abject failure as a club.
This poor excuse for a football club is trying to deny thousands of people something they live and die for week in week out and have no interest in watching a hybrid basketball game called AFL.

STOP HOLDING BACK GAYLORD !
TELL IT LIKE IT IS !!!

[whufc]

As the side virtually representing 8 SANFL clubs in the AFL the Crows have always has a large SANFL factor in their supporter base.

Sure it is 23 years later but I wonder how much support the Crows may lose if they do not play this right and become a competitor rather than partner.

This is where I can't get my head around what is likely to happen next year.

How can a rational person support their AFL team on a Saturday and then barrack against that same teams reserves side on a Sunday.

Regardless of intention the Crows are turning themselves into a rival to the Eagles (in my case).

It's just loopy.

Exactly! So what we will see is people will either choose the AFL or the SANFL and no doubt the majority will choose the bright lights.

Take a look at the SANFL reserves GF if that has a team in like last year Centrals who are not in the league final as well they are lucky to get 200 of their supporters there.

[stan]

Many people on this forum are saying talk of the Crows coming into the SANFL is affecting crowds THIS year. What will it be like when they actually get in ?????????????
The Crows self interest has a lot to answer for and I am disgusted by it. I feel like vomiting when I am forced to look at Steven Trigg on my television. The Crows having a reserves side is such a minor issue in the scheme of things and this poor excuse for a human being is willing to prostitute himself to achieve something so lacking in importance to the Crows abject failure as a club.
This poor excuse for a football club is trying to deny thousands of people something they live and die for week in week out and have no interest in watching a hybrid basketball game called AFL.

SDK, how the **** is talk of a crows side next year in the SANFL affecting crowds this year?

Look I dont want any reserves sides in the comp, but it seems like normal the SANFL dont give a **** what the fans or clubs want and are like normal chasing the $$$. But still I think we are all now going back into our typical Adelaid thinking that all change will bring the end to humanity. I think its a crap situation, but not end of the world stuff. And as for affecting crowds this year, seriously explain please.

[saintal]

It’s probably worked the other way for me. This fiasco has made me appreciate the “status quo” while it lasts, and I've been to as many games as possible.

Are you able to tell me what South’s average home crowd is this year Phil H? Apart from the 4.5K who turned up on Good Friday, it’s been a poor year for Noarlunga crowds, with a number around 1200. South have tried a few promotions this year (i.e. bring a mate for free) but they haven’t seemed to have reaped many rewards. Missing finals for the 19th time in 21 years doesn’t help..

[whufc]

I've lost interest in and have been missing games, I still go to a few more this season but if something else comes up, work etc etc i won't make an effort to get it off anymore

If the comp is gonna turn to Aflsa next year I might as well stop pumping money into that comp.

[saintal]

Yeah I can understand that whufc. I almost thought twice about buying a few beers @ Woodville on Saturday, given the Eagles' public stance on the matter. The game was so bad though, that I wasn't left with much choice...

[UK Fan]

As the side virtually representing 8 SANFL clubs in the AFL the Crows have always has a large SANFL factor in their supporter base.

Sure it is 23 years later but I wonder how much support the Crows may lose if they do not play this right and become a competitor rather than partner.

This is where I can't get my head around what is likely to happen next year.

How can a rational person support their AFL team on a Saturday and then barrack against that same teams reserves side on a Sunday.

Regardless of intention the Crows are turning themselves into a rival to the Eagles (in my case).

It's just loopy.

Exactly! So what we will see is people will either choose the AFL or the SANFL and no doubt the majority will choose the bright lights.

Take a look at the SANFL reserves GF if that has a team in like last year Centrals who are not in the league final as well they are lucky to get 200 of their supporters there.

Crows nab cup matches at AAMI attracted ??????

[Dutchy]

Not that desperate

To answer - Winning a flag always helps.

Highlight of my time here was taking the premiership cup around the community and sharing it with as many locals as we could. (although I was always scared of it going missing).

Eagles had a solid adult membership and home crowd boost in 2012 after the 2011 flag (hosting ANZAC Day game the big advantage).

But from a kids view point it's the accessibility and the experience that is key.

When I came back from QLD in 1999 it is probably fair to say I was more Crows than Eagles, it was just easier to follow AFL from QLD than SANFL (remember minimal internet then).

I moved to Sportsman's Drive West Lakes just 150m from AAMI all set for a great season of AFL action with the occasional Eagles game.

But I just found the SANFL a much easier & enjoyable product and then when my kids soon arrived they too preferred an afternoon they could roll around the hill at Woodville to being boxed into a small seat at AAMI.


It got to the point where I watched the last showdown and as the Power stormed home I felt ............ nothing.

As the side virtually representing 8 SANFL clubs in the AFL the Crows have always has a large SANFL factor in their supporter base.

Sure it is 23 years later but I wonder how much support the Crows may lose if they do not play this right and become a competitor rather than partner.

Good summary Phil.

Much like myself since the mid nineties Ive been drawn from the AFL back to the SANFL and if this goes ahead I can see me sliding back to watching the SFL/HFL and Ammo's.

Just can't stand the fact the AFL feel they need to have their grubby hands on everything

[Ecky]

How may kids do you know support the Aussies test cricket side and the English ODI side?

Actually just on this one does anyone remember the ODI series a while back that had an Australian side and an Australian A side in it? Zimbabwe was another side.

Aussies love an underdog and when these two sides actually clashed most got behind Australia A much to the anger of the Australian first XI.

Never happened again.

Could it translate to SANFL where supporters with divided loyalties go for the underdog (SANFL) against the AFL goliaths.

Yes, we do love the underdogs, but I'm not sure how much sympathy there will be in this case when the SANFL clubs had the choice to say no to the AFL but are presumably saying yes instead! People are less likely to help someone if their wounds are self-inflicted...

Maybe this will be come a factor in the longer term when the current boards and administrators move on, but in the short term I reckon the attitude will be "well you (the SANFL) chose to go down this path (against the wishes of the majority of your members) so you will have to live with the consequences of your actions".

[areaman]

Yes, we do love the underdogs, but I'm not sure how much sympathy there will be in this case when the SANFL clubs had the choice to say no to the AFL but are presumably saying yes instead! People are less likely to help someone if their wounds are self-inflicted...

Maybe this will be come a factor in the longer term when the current boards and administrators move on, but in the short term I reckon the attitude will be "well you (the SANFL) chose to go down this path (against the wishes of the majority of your members) so you will have to live with the consequences of your actions".

Yes, I can just hear what will be said by the AFL clubs when the SANFL is struggling to get crowds - This proposal was the wishes of all 8 clubs, we had nothing to do with it, it's what the SANFL wanted......

[topsywaldron]

Name another organisation that happily ignores the wishes of its core customers on the basis that 'bad things may happen in the future'.

I know of few other bodies as venal and intellectually bankrupt as the SANFL.

[areaman]

Name another organisation that happily ignores the wishes of its core customers on the basis that 'bad things may happen in the future'.

I know of few other bodies as venal and intellectually bankrupt as the SANFL

You don't follow politics then? Off topic, sorry

[Footy Smart]

Many people on this forum are saying talk of the Crows coming into the SANFL is affecting crowds THIS year. What will it be like when they actually get in ?????????????
The Crows self interest has a lot to answer for and I am disgusted by it. I feel like vomiting when I am forced to look at Steven Trigg on my television. The Crows having a reserves side is such a minor issue in the scheme of things and this poor excuse for a human being is willing to prostitute himself to achieve something so lacking in importance to the Crows abject failure as a club.
This poor excuse for a football club is trying to deny thousands of people something they live and die for week in week out and have no interest in watching a hybrid basketball game called AFL.

youve been drinking your own bath water SDK youve lost the plot

The whole drop in crowd nonsense aside, of course the AFC like Port (who want a reserves side as well) have a self interest. They would be doing their own stakeholders an injustice by not exploring the reserves model which the majoirty of other AFL side believe is best and try and get it in the best possible competition. Ofcourse they will play hard ball initially as is done in any negotiation.

For people to say they would stop supporting their CLUB purely because one side is added is extremely narrow minded and typical change resistance.

Im against the reserves side in the League comp, ressies is fine. I will still pay my Sturt membership each year no matter the outcome.

I dont think an AFC reserves side would dominate the comp, I think Ports model would allow them to dbe far stronger for sure as they would no doubt hang onto quality league players while AFC would most probably use ressie standard players.

[Ecky]

Suppose one of the SANFL clubs has a "financial crisis" in the next couple years and extinction becomes a serious option (quite possible regardless of this decision)

Given that the majority of members seem to be opposed to this issue (and in many cases very strongly opposed)...

How deep will members/supporters dig into their pockets, and how much time will they give up to help save their club if

- the club votes yes?
- the club votes no?