2012 Grand Final Norwood D West Post Game Discussion

[robranisgod]

Lowest score in a Grand Final is Port 1 goal 6 behinds in 1905. Back in the 1960s and 1970s it was often referred to as the lowest score in a Grand Final. Even in 1989 it was reported that North's score was the lowest since 1914 with 1905 remaining the lowest Grand Final score. Suddenly people who haven't done their research properly are quoting 1 goal 8 as the lowest Grand Final score whereas every football historian knows that Port's 1 goal 6 remains the lowest score.

[statsman]

for some reason the SANFL take 1907 as the start for scoring stats but count premierships from before, cant have it both ways you wouldnt think

Lowest score in a Grand Final is Port 1 goal 6 behinds in 1905. Back in the 1960s and 1970s it was often referred to as the lowest score in a Grand Final. Even in 1989 it was reported that North's score was the lowest since 1914 with 1905 remaining the lowest Grand Final score. Suddenly people who haven't done their research properly are quoting 1 goal 8 as the loweset Grand Final score whereas every football historian knows that Port's 1 goal 6 remains the lowest score.

[robranisgod]

for some reason the SANFL take 1907 as the start for scoring stats but count premierships from before, cant have it both ways you wouldnt think

Lowest score in a Grand Final is Port 1 goal 6 behinds in 1905. Back in the 1960s and 1970s it was often referred to as the lowest score in a Grand Final. Even in 1989 it was reported that North's score was the lowest since 1914 with 1905 remaining the lowest Grand Final score. Suddenly people who haven't done their research properly are quoting 1 goal 8 as the lowest Grand Final score whereas every football historian knows that Port's 1 goal 6 remains the lowest score.

Sounds as though they have a Port supporter doing the stats at the SANFL now. I just notice on their website that they have changed to the 1907 garbage. They used to always have Port as the lowest ever Grand Final score. Surely if you are going to quote statistics on your website you use correct stats.

[Dogwatcher]

for some reason the SANFL take 1907 as the start for scoring stats but count premierships from before, cant have it both ways you wouldnt think

A rejigged premiership tally...

Port 31
Norwood 15
Sturt 13
North 10
Central District 9
West 8
West Torrens, Glenelg 4
South, WWT 3

[stampy]

for some reason the SANFL take 1907 as the start for scoring stats but count premierships from before, cant have it both ways you wouldnt think

A rejigged premiership tally...

Port 31
Norwood 15
Sturt 13
North 10
Central District 9
West 8
West Torrens, Glenelg 4
South, WWT 3

that shouold be the offical count, though panfers fans wouldnt like it too much

[CENTURION]

Norwood won't like it either. All of a sudden, they're not as awesome as they think they are

[Booney]

for some reason the SANFL take 1907 as the start for scoring stats but count premierships from before, cant have it both ways you wouldnt think

A rejigged premiership tally...
Port 31
Norwood 15
Sturt 13
North 10
Central District 9
West 8
West Torrens, Glenelg 4
South, WWT 3

that shouold be the offical count, though panfers fans wouldnt like it too much

Works for me!

[Mark_Beswick]

Should take it from 1897 bringing SANFL (with points) in line with VFA, VFL... Have game stats for this period now - I think 1907 was a lot easier in the past before access to so many papers, annual reports.... Historians Like Kolosche, Everett did a marvelous job - In essence, we have built on from thier work

[robranisgod]

Should take it from 1897 bringing SANFL (with points) in line with VFA, VFL... Have game stats for this period now - I think 1907 was a lot easier in the past before access to so many papers, annual reports.... Historians Like Kolosche, Everett did a marvelous job - In essence, we have built on from thier work

I agree Mark. Also 1897 was when optional Electorate football came in to existent which led to a much fairer and robust competition.

Do you know who is responsible for the SANFL stats on their website. They stubbornly refuse to change their records from 1907 as far as scores are concerned.

[SDK]

If you don't count premierships won before 1907 should we count premierships won before the Crows and Port ..... where do you draw the line ?
The good thing about a premiership is that once it is won it is in history forever !

[Dogwatcher]

If you don't count premierships won before 1907 should we count premierships won before the Crows and Port .....

Fantastic option.

[robranisgod]

If you don't count premierships won before 1907 should we count premierships won before the Crows and Port ..... where do you draw the line ?
The good thing about a premiership is that once it is won it is in history forever !

But according to the SANFL website the scores of those Grand Finals don't count. Of course you are right.

[sjt]

If you don't count premierships won before 1907 should we count premierships won before the Crows and Port ..... where do you draw the line ?
The good thing about a premiership is that once it is won it is in history forever !

But according to the SANFL website the scores of those Grand Finals don't count. Of course you are right.

Did they actually have gf's before 1907? I thought at some early stage, it was just the team that finished on top without a gf played, was the premier.

[robranisgod]

If you don't count premierships won before 1907 should we count premierships won before the Crows and Port ..... where do you draw the line ?
The good thing about a premiership is that once it is won it is in history forever !

But according to the SANFL website the scores of those Grand Finals don't count. Of course you are right.

Did they actually have gf's before 1907? I thought at some early stage, it was just the team that finished on top without a gf played, was the premier.

Yes, they played a Grand Final every year from 1898 onwards. That is what has given rise to the complaints here. The SANFL aren't recognising Port's 1905 score as the lowest Grand Final score saying that their records for scores only start from 1907. The scores are available for every game from 1897 until 1907 yet for some reason the SANFL have decided not to recognise the score yet recognise the Premier. Of course they should recognise both.

[bays2011]

Should take it from 1897 bringing SANFL (with points) in line with VFA, VFL... Have game stats for this period now - I think 1907 was a lot easier in the past before access to so many papers, annual reports.... Historians Like Kolosche, Everett did a marvelous job - In essence, we have built on from thier work

I agree Mark. Also 1897 was when optional Electorate football came in to existent which led to a much fairer and robust competition.

Do you know who is responsible for the SANFL stats on their website. They stubbornly refuse to change their records from 1907 as far as scores are concerned.

Given the cursory nature of the stats on the official SANFL website I really question why they even bother having a stats page. Seriously, when you can't even supply grand final results prior to 1990.... Kudos to the guy who put this page together, awesome job! http://www.sanfl.info/index.php?option= ... &Itemid=25

Given that there are obviously some enormously enthusiastic and dedicated SANFL statisticians around, why doesn't the SANFL engage one of them on a voluntary basis to add comprehensive stats to the website?

[SABRE]

Oh well, in my humble opinion, I really don’t think everyone truly understands what an incredibly special outfit the Norwood 2012 team is. For many years to come, a lot of passionate ‘Legs’ & ‘Westies’ folk (and others) may not appreciate the amazing defensive shoot-out we saw on show in this very different year. A wham bam, gotta-getta-goal now, attacking spray-fest might appeal to some at the moment, but perhaps what we’ve just witnessed isn’t being valued correctly.

On another forum during the year, I predicted West Adelaide were threatening to be our nearest rival. Not only were they playing a potent defensive game at league level, but they were also performing very well in all 4 SANFL grades, thus showing an all-round club depth that could easily have led to league advantages over Norwood as we continued to suffer terrible injury woes. I’m still awestruck that we continued to win games whilst promoting promising youngsters with little more than great self-belief and magnificent coaching, especially from a defensive capability. But we weren’t the only brilliantly coached team in 2012. I firmly believe there was a lot less between all the clubs in 2012 than many realise.

Whilst enjoying celebrations for our all-conquering Norwood heroes, I feel everyone should spare a few thoughts for what I consider to be our very able and respected opponent, West Adelaide.

By failing to give respect where it’s due we do 2 things.
1) We fail to truly appreciate our great victory over a very talented opposition, which only lessens our achievement.
2) We fail to appreciate an opposition who continued to fight and fight and fight, to the best of their ability, non-stop, until the final siren. I was duly impressed by The Bloods tenacity late in the game when the scoreboard could easily have seen a lesser team & club surrender. Equally impressive was the fine speech by West's captain Ryan Ferguson after the game. An outstanding exhibition from a quality individual and club.

CONGRATULATIONS WEST ADELAIDE !!!

Your game style beat 7 other clubs, you rightly deserved to be in the grand final and if not for Norwood’s utter determination and best efforts, you might be enjoying all the fun we’re having right now. Please believe me when I say in all honesty …….

“Our euphoria and pride are made all the more special because of a respected and valiant foe !”

Thank you and good luck next year.
(But not too much!)

Luv,
Sabre.

[fester69]

You've gone soft mate!! F#$? Em all!!

[mal]

You've gone soft mate!! F#$? Em all!!

Hey Fester , which premiership did you enjoy the most , 1878 or 2012 ?

[Dogwatcher]

You've gone soft mate!! F#$? Em all!!

Wow, you Norwood fans won't be able to complain about belligerent, arrogant and full of themselves Doggies supporters any more. Talk about class.

[Dogwatcher]

:D
Oh well, in my humble opinion, I really don’t think everyone truly understands what an incredibly special outfit the Norwood 2012 team is. For many years to come, a lot of passionate ‘Legs’ & ‘Westies’ folk (and others) may not appreciate the amazing defensive shoot-out we saw on show in this very different year. A wham bam, gotta-getta-goal now, attacking spray-fest might appeal to some at the moment, but perhaps what we’ve just witnessed isn’t being valued correctly.

On another forum during the year, I predicted West Adelaide were threatening to be our nearest rival. Not only were they playing a potent defensive game at league level, but they were also performing very well in all 4 SANFL grades, thus showing an all-round club depth that could easily have led to league advantages over Norwood as we continued to suffer terrible injury woes. I’m still awestruck that we continued to win games whilst promoting promising youngsters with little more than great self-belief and magnificent coaching, especially from a defensive capability. But we weren’t the only brilliantly coached team in 2012. I firmly believe there was a lot less between all the clubs in 2012 than many realise.

Whilst enjoying celebrations for our all-conquering Norwood heroes, I feel everyone should spare a few thoughts for what I consider to be our very able and respected opponent, West Adelaide.

By failing to give respect where it’s due we do 2 things.
1) We fail to truly appreciate our great victory over a very talented opposition, which only lessens our achievement.
2) We fail to appreciate an opposition who continued to fight and fight and fight, to the best of their ability, non-stop, until the final siren. I was duly impressed by The Bloods tenacity late in the game when the scoreboard could easily have seen a lesser team & club surrender. Equally impressive was the fine speech by West's captain Ryan Ferguson after the game. An outstanding exhibition from a quality individual and club.

CONGRATULATIONS WEST ADELAIDE !!!

Your game style beat 7 other clubs, you rightly deserved to be in the grand final and if not for Norwood’s utter determination and best efforts, you might be enjoying all the fun we’re having right now. Please believe me when I say in all honesty …….

“Our euphoria and pride are made all the more special because of a respected and valiant foe !”

Thank you and good luck next year.
(But not too much!)

Luv,
Sabre.

Nice post, Sabre. Thanks for a different insight.