Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

[Hondo]

Thought they'd been banging on about it for longer.

I think some posters on here would like us to think that!

All this talk about what should or shouldn't have happened in 1997 yet I think the main problems have started in 2008 when their crowds dropped by over 20% in one year and have never recovered. Forget theories about 1997 attendances v 2010 and where did they go. It's about where did the 6-7000 people go that were going from 1998 right up to 2007? I reckon the majority of those are Port people hence why SANFL/PAP/AFL seem agreed now that it's the PAM people that need to come back to the fold rather than neutral supporters hanging out for a Crows MkII to support.

[Psyber]

The real failure is Port's inability to hang on to the majority of the neutrals. Crowds for Port games in 1997 were excellent and there would've been a lot of people going along who didn't think much of the Crows and wanted to follow AFL in Adelaide, only to be disenfranchised a few years later by having the creed shoved down their throats.

The "creed" started in 2009
Port had about 35000 in 1997 and then it was about 30000 from 98-2007 (apart from another spike in the premiership year)
In 2008 it dropped to 24000ish and in 2009 creed started

Thought they'd been banging on about it for longer.

I guess it depends on perspective - it looked to me like they had from very soon after they started in the AFL.
I'd always assumed that was part of the reason their crowds started shrinking early, though they blamed it on not being able to attract PAM supporters and did it more to get them back.
I suspect it was doomed to failure from the start - not enough "Maggie" to please all the PAM supporters, and too much to attract and keep the others.

It's time to try another composite licensee!

[am Bays]

Thought they'd been banging on about it for longer.

I think some posters on here would like us to think that!

All this talk about what should or shouldn't have happened in 1997 yet I think the main problems have started in 2008 when their crowds dropped by over 20% in one year and have never recovered. Forget theories about 1997 attendances v 2010 and where did they go. It's about where did the 6-7000 people go that were going from 1998 right up to 2007? I reckon the majority of those are Port people hence why SANFL/PAP/AFL seem agreed now that it's the PAM people that need to come back to the fold rather than neutral supporters hanging out for a Crows MkII to support.

Pfft, they're not Magpies supporters haven't seen at 3000 increase in magpies support at games let alone a 6-7 000 increase.

They're the 6-7 000 front-running Power supporters (the same as the 7-10 000 front running Crows supporters ATM) who don't show up each game because they aren't winning. Both AFL clubs will be very healthy financially when the front-runners (AKA Bandwagnners) show up again.

One-Port, a move to Adelaide oval won't change one the bottom line one bit unless they start winning and the front-runners come back.

And if they think they can survive in 10 years time when Footy Clubs are going to need a turnover of at least 50 Mill by appealling to the same supporter base well they may as hand the licence back now and pack it in....

[Hondo]

Pfft, they're not Magpies supporters haven't seen at 3000 increase in magpies support at games let alone a 6-7 000 increase.

They're the 6-7 000 front-running Power supporters (the same as the 7-10 000 front running Crows supporters ATM) who don't show up each game because they aren't winning. Both AFL clubs will be very healthy financially when the front-runners (AKA Bandwagnners) show up again.

One-Port, a move to Adelaide oval won't change one the bottom line one bit unless they start winning and the front-runners come back.

And if they think they can survive in 10 years time when Footy Clubs are going to need a turnover of at least 50 Mill by appealling to the same supporter base well they may as hand the licence back now and pack it in....

You'll be surprised to hear I agree with most of this!

Most of it except for the last paragraph. They don't need another 20,000 people to their games to survive. Only another 5-10,000 it seems to me. I don't reckon you need to crawl up to non-Port people to find such a small number (relative to the population of Adelaide).

At the end of the day, we won't know how ONEPort and the AO move will work out for a few years yet so until then we are where we are and the rest is just speculation.

[Hondo]

am bays and Wedgie are now into the debate, creed/crows MkII back in discussion and even I am repeating myself for the 400th time across 59 Port threads. I thought this thread had gone on too long without the same posters saying the same things all over again (including me!). These Port threads eventually suck us all back in!

[Barto]

am bays and Wedgie are now into the debate, creed/crows MkII back in discussion and even I am repeating myself for the 400th time across 59 Port threads. I thought this thread had gone on too long without the same posters saying the same things all over again (including me!). These Port threads eventually suck us all back in!

They could shut us all up by turning up to games and being profitable

This is an example of what I mean about Port fans wanting to kill the SANFL:

http://bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php? ... tcount=299

And this guy moderates the SANFL board on Big Footy. They sound like Victorians.

What they've never been able to answer without launching into a tirade of abuse is who develops footballers in the state if all the income is kept by the two AFL clubs?

[beenreal]

No-one has ever suggested all the income be kept by the 2 AFL clubs, more that they pay a set fee ($4M?) each year to the SANFL and then keep the revenue generated via the games/ corporates and advertising. Seems to work pretty well in WA, where West Coast, despite finishing dead last, still made a massive profit.

As for Crows Mk 2? They'd generate the same supporter base now as they would have back in 1997.

Yep I can see it now, "I've been barracking for the AFC for 7 years, but now I think I'll jump off and follow this NEW made up club." OR "I've had NO interest in the AFL up to now, so I'll just jump onto this NEW made up club"

[Wedgie]

am bays and Wedgie are now into the debate, creed/crows MkII back in discussion and even I am repeating myself for the 400th time across 59 Port threads. I thought this thread had gone on too long without the same posters saying the same things all over again (including me!). These Port threads eventually suck us all back in!

I just wanted to help my prediction from page 6!

At least this thread gives people something to do for the entire off season. I'm guessing 27 pages.
It's the 2010 running sheet!

[Ian]

No-one has ever suggested all the income be kept by the 2 AFL clubs, more that they pay a set fee ($4M?) each year to the SANFL

They used to pay a percentage of profit, that's why the Cows provided plenty to the SANFL and the Powder Puffs much less, has that changed to a set figure now?

[Ian]

I just wanted to help my prediction from page 6!

At least this thread gives people something to do for the entire off season. I'm guessing 27 pages.
It's the 2010 running sheet!

getting close, I reckon it will go 30+...........................is anything Port really worth that much effort

[Barto]

No-one has ever suggested all the income be kept by the 2 AFL clubs, more that they pay a set fee ($4M?) each year to the SANFL and then keep the revenue generated via the games/ corporates and advertising. Seems to work pretty well in WA, where West Coast, despite finishing dead last, still made a massive profit.

Would that make Port profitable?

There's different considerations from WA, the local league dont own the stadium for starters.

It's easy to say "we'll give you 4mil". What if hypothetically the running of Football Park costs 3.5mil?

[Royal City]

No-one has ever suggested all the income be kept by the 2 AFL clubs, more that they pay a set fee ($4M?) each year to the SANFL and then keep the revenue generated via the games/ corporates and advertising. Seems to work pretty well in WA, where West Coast, despite finishing dead last, still made a massive profit.

Would that make Port profitable?

There's different considerations from WA, the local league dont own the stadium for starters.

It's easy to say "we'll give you 4mil". What if hypothetically the running of Football Park costs 3.5mil?

this is a debate about an afl club. You'll hear nothing of expenditure barto.

Just the old assumption REVENUE = PROFIT.

This is the point I have Been making for years that port fans conveniently ignore.

[Barto]

No-one has ever suggested all the income be kept by the 2 AFL clubs, more that they pay a set fee ($4M?) each year to the SANFL and then keep the revenue generated via the games/ corporates and advertising. Seems to work pretty well in WA, where West Coast, despite finishing dead last, still made a massive profit.

Would that make Port profitable?

There's different considerations from WA, the local league dont own the stadium for starters.

It's easy to say "we'll give you 4mil". What if hypothetically the running of Football Park costs 3.5mil?

this is a debate about an afl club. You'll hear nothing of expenditure barto.

Just the old assumption REVENUE = PROFIT.

This is the point I have Been making for years that port fans conveniently ignore.

Well I'd love to keep every dollar I earn and tell the bank, the local council, the electricity company etc to eff off but life aint like that. Perhaps the ones screaming for the "greedy" SANFL to just hand over the licence and bugger off really are 12 years old.

[Gravel]

If the OnePAFC reunification is passed what should happen to the 4 Crows listed players at the Magpies.
S Thompson and G Johncock were drafted to the AFL from PAMFC but I Maric and S Stevens were gained via the SANFL Mini draft.
Do they stay at the Magpies, or allocated to another SANFL club. If moved how should this be done?

[RM]

Oh I am sooo sick of this. Let me first say if any other club was in this position would there be as much Advertiser space for the other 8 clubs by one moron reporter, and yes he is only a repoter and one that does not have a good name in the field as I worked for the ABC for 24 years and the walls talked.

Port, you started this so get yourself out of the hole you dug, and I am talking about the both of you and whoever is the real Port as we will never know!

The Creed business. After it was launched I watched the segment on TV just before a Power game and yes it was a passionate BLACK and WHITE segment on Port Adelaide just as I remembered as my whole family then were one eyed Port members apart from me and all I remembered was BLACK and WHITE and then the segment ended and Port ran out onto the MCG for their game and they were wearing all poofy white and a little teal.... No wonder people are confused as they certainly did not look like the Port I once knew. Imagine Collingwood running out like the fairy floss called Port that day.

Port have lost their way!

And to that Jurno.....well,.......... why bother. I just hope he gives the next SANFL club going through bad times the same space he has to Port, which ever one it is.....But I dont think it will happen.

No wonder 5AA gets turned off as soon as soon as i hear his voice.

[spell_check]

am bays and Wedgie are now into the debate, creed/crows MkII back in discussion and even I am repeating myself for the 400th time across 59 Port threads. I thought this thread had gone on too long without the same posters saying the same things all over again (including me!). These Port threads eventually suck us all back in!

They could shut us all up by turning up to games and being profitable

This is an example of what I mean about Port fans wanting to kill the SANFL:

http://bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php? ... tcount=299

And this guy moderates the SANFL board on Big Footy. They sound like Victorians.

What they've never been able to answer without launching into a tirade of abuse is who develops footballers in the state if all the income is kept by the two AFL clubs?

I skimmed through/read bits of that whole thread, and have never had a stupid big grin on my face for that long, ever.

Lot of love for the Roosters in there!

[Media Park]

am bays and Wedgie are now into the debate, creed/crows MkII back in discussion and even I am repeating myself for the 400th time across 59 Port threads. I thought this thread had gone on too long without the same posters saying the same things all over again (including me!). These Port threads eventually suck us all back in!

They could shut us all up by turning up to games and being profitable

This is an example of what I mean about Port fans wanting to kill the SANFL:

http://bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php? ... tcount=299

And this guy moderates the SANFL board on Big Footy. They sound like Victorians.

What they've never been able to answer without launching into a tirade of abuse is who develops footballers in the state if all the income is kept by the two AFL clubs?

I replied to this on bigfooty, and I don't expect it to be there for long, if he is a mod...

[beenreal]

No-one has ever suggested all the income be kept by the 2 AFL clubs, more that they pay a set fee ($4M?) each year to the SANFL and then keep the revenue generated via the games/ corporates and advertising. Seems to work pretty well in WA, where West Coast, despite finishing dead last, still made a massive profit.

Would that make Port profitable?

There's different considerations from WA, the local league dont own the stadium for starters.

It's easy to say "we'll give you 4mil". What if hypothetically the running of Football Park costs 3.5mil?

I used $4M as a hypothetical, and it relates to each club. Naturally the figure would be negotiated. But if the SANFL couldn't turn a Profit from $8M (hypothetical), while making the AFL clubs do all the revenue raising then the finger certainly needs to be directed away from the PAFC and pointed firmly at them

[Media Park]

am bays and Wedgie are now into the debate, creed/crows MkII back in discussion and even I am repeating myself for the 400th time across 59 Port threads. I thought this thread had gone on too long without the same posters saying the same things all over again (including me!). These Port threads eventually suck us all back in!

They could shut us all up by turning up to games and being profitable

This is an example of what I mean about Port fans wanting to kill the SANFL:

http://bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php? ... tcount=299

And this guy moderates the SANFL board on Big Footy. They sound like Victorians.

What they've never been able to answer without launching into a tirade of abuse is who develops footballers in the state if all the income is kept by the two AFL clubs?

I replied to this on bigfooty, and I don't expect it to be there for long, if he is a mod...

Yep. Already deleted...

[CENTURION]

why? what was wrong with what was said?