AFL Reserves Discussion...

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Are you in favour of the proposal for the Crows Reserves to join the SANFL League competition?

Yes
35
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No
148
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Not fussed either way
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby SDK » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:31 pm

How the xxxx would Slaven know that. He is just offering BS to confuse the issue.
How can ANY club make a decision when they are given no information just empty speculations and no hard facts.
The Adelaide Crows submission is so pathetically unprofessional it defies description...... and yet so many SANFL clubs are easily intimidated with threats and BS.
Very very sad.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Booney » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:38 pm

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saintal wrote:Yep, Thomas, Koch and co. don’t want blood on their hands. This was basically the views of the South hierarchy and the other directors.


How ridiculous. It the PAFC hierarchy wanted no blood on their hands they simply could have accepted the $ANFLs rejection of their Reserves model.

Interesting that the directors are in disarray on their views towards the AFC plan but can all of a sudden be in unison when it comes to their attitudes towards Port Adelaide.


Adelaide put several models forward, league directors go from all voting no, to all voting yes and every possible varitaion to the 8 vote tally possible and they are still entertaining the bullshit idea after who knows how many meetings and discussions.

Port didnt even get to finish a sentence.

Strange how people are finding their dislike of the AFC growing, I'm starting to feel the same about the 8 league directors.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby smac » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:40 pm

Perhaps, boonbag, the Crows had to earn a little more distrust than Port? They play a good game of catch up.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Booney » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:44 pm

smac wrote:Perhaps, boonbag, the Crows had to earn a little more distrust than Port? They play a good game of catch up.


Yeah, maybe. Just remember, it might be Adelaide who load the gun but it will be each and every SANFL club that has it's finger prints on the murder weapon.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:46 pm

Booney wrote:
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saintal wrote:Yep, Thomas, Koch and co. don’t want blood on their hands. This was basically the views of the South hierarchy and the other directors.


How ridiculous. It the PAFC hierarchy wanted no blood on their hands they simply could have accepted the $ANFLs rejection of their Reserves model.

Interesting that the directors are in disarray on their views towards the AFC plan but can all of a sudden be in unison when it comes to their attitudes towards Port Adelaide.


Adelaide put several models forward, league directors go from all voting no, to all voting yes and every possible varitaion to the 8 vote tally possible and they are still entertaining the bullshit idea after who knows how many meetings and discussions.

Port didnt even get to finish a sentence.

Strange how people are finding their dislike of the AFC growing, I'm starting to feel the same about the 8 league directors.

Don't forget to add port's proposal is worse than the crows.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Booney » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:51 pm

I know. Can you imagine all the top up players Port would have needed to take from the other SANFL clubs? Hang on....
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby saintal » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:53 pm

Port's model>>>Crows' model. Moot point now.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Look Good In Leather » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:01 pm

Macca19 wrote:http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/crows-reserves-vote-to-miss-friday8217s-deadline/story-fnelctok-1226693817425

Two clubs - Central and Norwood - want the Magpies' licence to play in the SANFL (that was signed on December 1, 2010) to be revoked.

If this move is successful, the Power would then have no choice but to replicate the Crows with a stand-alone team in the SANFL.


And people try and tell us that theres no more open wounds towards Port Adelaide?


This here is the core of the problem, Port will need to follow. I was never a fan of them remaining in the SANFL when they moved to the AFL, but it was always a separate club so could live with it. When the whole One Club nonsense occurred, they should have left. What kind of merger results in the exact two teams continuing to play in their respective competitions?

What I take exception to is that Sturt, for 112 years has played against Port Adelaide, in multiple Grand Finals and, at times, a very intense rivalry. You could replace Sturt, with the name of any of the other 7 clubs.

Why is it now that Sturt is only worthy of playing Port's reserves team? Why should we say, yeah we are still a league team but we are happy to only play your castoffs.

Bring in the reserves teams, and our clubs take on a similar status. Our only purpose in life is to give them match practice and produce them players.

Get stuffed

If Sturt vote yes, this may well be the end of my interest in the SANFL, as it will be signing away any of its relevance in football.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Jim05 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:04 pm

Booney wrote:I know. Can you imagine all the top up players Port would have needed to take from the other SANFL clubs? Hang on....

This is correct.
Ports model is better although there was an issue of which top up players would be used, I dont think the other clubs would be keen for current Magpies league players to be used as top ups.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Mr Beefy » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:11 pm

Look Good In Leather wrote:
What I take exception to is that Sturt, for 112 years has played against Port Adelaide, in multiple Grand Finals and, at times, a very intense rivalry. You could replace Sturt, with the name of any of the other 7 clubs.

Why is it now that Sturt is only worthy of playing Port's reserves team?


Probably their inferior records.... :lol:
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Macca19 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:15 pm

Booney wrote:
smac wrote:Perhaps, boonbag, the Crows had to earn a little more distrust than Port? They play a good game of catch up.


Yeah, maybe. Just remember, it might be Adelaide who load the gun but it will be each and every SANFL club that has it's finger prints on the murder weapon.


Which is why Trigg has said unanimous or nothing....so the AFC cant be held responsible if Port, Sturt, West, WWT, anyone else wind up. "hey, every league director voted yes, our hands are clean".
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Macca19 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:18 pm

Jim05 wrote:
Booney wrote:I know. Can you imagine all the top up players Port would have needed to take from the other SANFL clubs? Hang on....

This is correct.
Ports model is better although there was an issue of which top up players would be used, I dont think the other clubs would be keen for current Magpies league players to be used as top ups.


The top up players used was already stated in the proposal.

ex-AFL recruits? Not allowed any.
ex-PAFC AFL players? Only 1 allowed in a leadership role
ex-SANFL recruits? Not allowed any.

All top up players except 1 would have come from Ports zones.

And at least in this model, if an AFL recruit is way off the pace (as a lot of them are when they first come across) or doesnt have the body for league football (like a ruckman) they'd be able to play SANFL reserves. What the hell is the Crows plan?
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Booney » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:25 pm

Macca19 wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
Booney wrote:I know. Can you imagine all the top up players Port would have needed to take from the other SANFL clubs? Hang on....

This is correct.
Ports model is better although there was an issue of which top up players would be used, I dont think the other clubs would be keen for current Magpies league players to be used as top ups.


The top up players used was already stated in the proposal.

ex-AFL recruits? Not allowed any.
ex-PAFC AFL players? Only 1 allowed in a leadership role
ex-SANFL recruits? Not allowed any.

All top up players except 1 would have come from Ports zones.

And at least in this model, if an AFL recruit is way off the pace (as a lot of them are when they first come across) or doesnt have the body for league football (like a ruckman) they'd be able to play SANFL reserves. What the hell is the Crows plan?


So you're saying Port wouldn't have to gift a kid a league spot as they would have the option of playing him in the reserves under that model?

That sounds like a very godo model, almost dare I say, with some integrity to it.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:28 pm

Top up players is the point I'm least concerned about.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Booney » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:32 pm

Plenty of people are and it is one of many issues, granted.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby whufc » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:33 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:Top up players is the point I'm least concerned about.


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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Jim05 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:36 pm

Hey I agree Ports model is the best.
I would be happy for this model provided the salary cap was at a very bare minimum so that only kids and maybe 1 or 2 veterans could be recruited.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Jim05 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:38 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:Top up players is the point I'm least concerned about.

Thats a major issue for me.
I never ever want to see the day an AFL reserves side wins the SANFL flag.
Id like to see them get whipped every week by 20+ goals
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Look Good In Leather » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:52 pm

Macca19 wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
Booney wrote:I know. Can you imagine all the top up players Port would have needed to take from the other SANFL clubs? Hang on....

This is correct.
Ports model is better although there was an issue of which top up players would be used, I dont think the other clubs would be keen for current Magpies league players to be used as top ups.


The top up players used was already stated in the proposal.

ex-AFL recruits? Not allowed any.
ex-PAFC AFL players? Only 1 allowed in a leadership role
ex-SANFL recruits? Not allowed any.

All top up players except 1 would have come from Ports zones.

And at least in this model, if an AFL recruit is way off the pace (as a lot of them are when they first come across) or doesnt have the body for league football (like a ruckman) they'd be able to play SANFL reserves. What the hell is the Crows plan?


This is the other issue, players within that zone are going to be at a disadvantage. In any other zone, if they are good enough, they progress through the system to the league side. If they are just unfortunate to be in Port's zone, it doesn't matter how good they are, they are likely to get stuck in the SANFL reserves because the AFL players will take priority.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby UK Fan » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:53 pm

And this is where the AFC have been successful. They've made the discussion move from the very issue of even being in our league to discussion on how they are to be involved. No AFL reserves team is acceptable but that point now seems to be conceded.
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