AFL Reserves Discussion...

[FlyingHigh]

Great stuff Aerie.
As you may have seen, I posed your last proposal to David on the Q&A thread, but haven't had any answer.
I'm not sure if I can make it to the meeting tonight, but I hope this is something you can put forward to our leaders and have a chance to discuss.
Until the AFL seconds get up and running, if it ever does, just substitute in SANFL reserves.

Cheers FlyingHigh. I don't think something like this will be able to be discussed at the moment. I think there are enough other issues that should delay a final decision, then hopefully something like this can at least be considered. I still think the SANFL clubs need to decide what the SANFL stands for. Everything the Crows have put forward can be justified if the SANFL is just going to be a development competition. Is that what the clubs want? If it is, they need to come out, be honest and say it.

Yeah, you're right, probably not something that can be discussed too in-depth, but needs to be mentioned as a way of making it known that there are supporters who think there are alternatives and aren't just nay-sayers.

[saintal]

Rucci's latest:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl ... 6693583789

There are three camps.

YES "in principle" to AFL reserves teams in the SANFL league series are Glenelg, Sturt and Woodville-West Torrens.

NO to the financial model proposed by the commission is West Adelaide.

NO to the commission recommendations on how the AFL reserves teams are to be set up are Central District, North Adelaide, Norwood and South Adelaide.

The camps compositions seem to change on a daily basis according to him,

[smac]

Largely because if there were no change there would be nothing to write about, so he manufactures a change. The media should be ignored in this debate, they're guessing or pushing an agenda - I've discovered more from David's posts in this and the other thread than I have through the media.

[heater31]

So according to him it should be defeated 5-3 in favour of NO!

[CUTTERMAN]

I cant believe how complicated this is all getting.

Ports AFL players play reserves at the Magpies, leaving 4-10 spots in the reserves for U18's to fill or fringe SANFL league players.

Local Magpies kids either go U18>League if good enough or fill the 4-10 reserves spots.

Adelaides reserves play the BYE team in the SANFL prior to another clubs home games. ie Adelaide 2's v Norths 2's ( North have the bye ) at Norwood prior to Norwood 2's v South 2's then Norwood v South league. Norwood get the bonus of a few extra bums on seats and they might just stay and get 3 games for $10-14. Triple headers move around so SANFL clubs get the chance to *ahem* "host" the Crow reserves.

Top up players from the ammo's or Adelaide get one shot at taking 2-3 players from each SANFL club, not repeated short term deals, thats bollocks.

The SANFL league competition is uncompormised, the AFL clubs get their wish.

I'd agree with this but I reckon Adelaide are better suited to play SANFL reserves also, that way both AFL teams can play each other 4-6 times during the year to ensure a good hit out. They can play each other before each Showdown and possibly as curtain raisers for other AFL home games also giving them a good amount of time on Adelaide Oval.
Also keeps Port Magpies as a true SANFL club playing for a flag under the same rules as the other 8 clubs and providing an on going link from their past and present.

[SDK]

What's with the last bit about revoking Port Magpies licence in the SANFL ?????? That's a new one on me !

[areaman]

So according to him it should be defeated 5-3 in favour of NO!

The Crows are going to keep tweaking until they get a yes.

Keep holding out, the SANFL clubs hold the upper hand here.

[heater31]

What's with the last bit about revoking Port Magpies licence in the SANFL ?????? That's a new one on me !

Rucci just shit stirring me thinks to take some of the heat out of this current debate......

[Booney]

What's with the last bit about revoking Port Magpies licence in the SANFL ?????? That's a new one on me !

Rucci just shit stirring me thinks to take some of the heat out of this current debate......

Just as the league directors get to choose if and when any team joins the league they also get a choice on who gets kicked out of the league. I believe kicking out is only a majority rules decision and the Magpies (PAFC) dont get a vote.

Port does indeed only have a 3 year SANFL licence for the Magpies, this the second year of it. If they choose to the directors can throw that away.

[smac]

No, Port want it to happen but want the clubs to do it. Keeps blood off Kochies hands that way. As soon as the licenses are sold the wheels will turn on that one.

[Seaford Panther]

Thought this was worth a chuckle.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6693093269

[adelaidefc]

So according to him it should be defeated 5-3 in favour of NO!

The Crows are going to keep tweaking until they get a yes.

Keep holding out, the SANFL clubs hold the upper hand here.

The tweaking is more to do with the range of views/issues among the SANFL clubs. If it's going to work, there has to be negotiation and discussion. David

[adelaidefc]

I cant believe how complicated this is all getting.

Ports AFL players play reserves at the Magpies, leaving 4-10 spots in the reserves for U18's to fill or fringe SANFL league players.

Local Magpies kids either go U18>League if good enough or fill the 4-10 reserves spots.

Adelaides reserves play the BYE team in the SANFL prior to another clubs home games. ie Adelaide 2's v Norths 2's ( North have the bye ) at Norwood prior to Norwood 2's v South 2's then Norwood v South league. Norwood get the bonus of a few extra bums on seats and they might just stay and get 3 games for $10-14. Triple headers move around so SANFL clubs get the chance to *ahem* "host" the Crow reserves.

Top up players from the ammo's or Adelaide get one shot at taking 2-3 players from each SANFL club, not repeated short term deals, thats bollocks.

The SANFL league competition is uncompormised, the AFL clubs get their wish.

I'd agree with this but I reckon Adelaide are better suited to play SANFL reserves also, that way both AFL teams can play each other 4-6 times during the year to ensure a good hit out. They can play each other before each Showdown and possibly as curtain raisers for other AFL home games also giving them a good amount of time on Adelaide Oval.
Also keeps Port Magpies as a true SANFL club playing for a flag under the same rules as the other 8 clubs and providing an on going link from their past and present.

Sorry but you are wasting your time taking about the SANFL reserves. Daid

[CUTTERMAN]

Then answer my question about why Adelaide refuse to cover the gate for their games. If your so confident of your expected crowd figures it won't be needed anyway.
This by the way is now the FOURTH TIME I'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION.

[Aerie]

I cant believe how complicated this is all getting.

Ports AFL players play reserves at the Magpies, leaving 4-10 spots in the reserves for U18's to fill or fringe SANFL league players.

Local Magpies kids either go U18>League if good enough or fill the 4-10 reserves spots.

Adelaides reserves play the BYE team in the SANFL prior to another clubs home games. ie Adelaide 2's v Norths 2's ( North have the bye ) at Norwood prior to Norwood 2's v South 2's then Norwood v South league. Norwood get the bonus of a few extra bums on seats and they might just stay and get 3 games for $10-14. Triple headers move around so SANFL clubs get the chance to *ahem* "host" the Crow reserves.

Top up players from the ammo's or Adelaide get one shot at taking 2-3 players from each SANFL club, not repeated short term deals, thats bollocks.

The SANFL league competition is uncompormised, the AFL clubs get their wish.

I'd agree with this but I reckon Adelaide are better suited to play SANFL reserves also, that way both AFL teams can play each other 4-6 times during the year to ensure a good hit out. They can play each other before each Showdown and possibly as curtain raisers for other AFL home games also giving them a good amount of time on Adelaide Oval.
Also keeps Port Magpies as a true SANFL club playing for a flag under the same rules as the other 8 clubs and providing an on going link from their past and present.

Sorry but you are wasting your time taking about the SANFL reserves. Daid

As good as this would be from an SANFL point of view, I agree the Crows Reserves should be wanting to play in a competition at a higher level than Reserves, SAAFL and probably NEAFL as well. That leaves SANFL league, VFL or a new AFL Reserves competition. SANFL league and VFL only option for 2014. Make the VFL happen, but in a good way for football in SA.

[Disco]

So according to him it should be defeated 5-3 in favour of NO!

The Crows are going to keep tweaking until they get a yes.

Keep holding out, the SANFL clubs hold the upper hand here.

The tweaking is more to do with the range of views/issues among the SANFL clubs. If it's going to work, there has to be negotiation and discussion. David

David,
The way i see it, in between the bias media, is your threats to setup a reserves team elsewhere and compete with the SANFL isn't negotiating, it's blackmailing.
That's how you force the tweaks....and the few extra dollars are helping as well.

[adelaidefc]

Did anyone listen to Stuart Bown speak on 5AFL?
He mentioned Integrity, from a players perspective - conveyed Nick Dygan from Carlton going back to VFL Club.

Stuart was very much against the AFL Reserves in SANFL - he genuinely surprised both Rowe & McDermott with his viewpoint.
Rowe actually gave him a prize.

The main point he made was the rotation of AFL players for 'Club' players - even though a team plays well one week, the influx of Carlton players the following week upsets the team balance. He also suggested that the SANFL would remain the 2nd best competition (drawing players from interstate) despite the Crows having Reserves Team in SAAFL.

Was interesting to hear a player's point-of-view & the fact that he contradicted Rowe was most enjoyable - Rowe certainly expected the opposite.

It can't really be debated if the SANFL will be compromised 'Integrity-wise' because it clearly will be should AFC field a Reserves Team in the League competition. Surely, that's a given?

If that's what Stuart said, he's confused about the Carlton arrangement. They have an alignment with VFL club Northern Blues. That would be like the Crows taking over a Club in the SANFL and then squeezing out that's Club;s own players. Our reserves will be our team.

Actually the Northern Blues ARE Carlton.

Prior to 2012, they were the Northern (Preston) Bullants, aligned with Carlton. However, Preston had too few supporters and it essentially allowed Carlton to take over. Last season Preston and Carlton 'merged' creating the Northern Blues.

This so-called merger gave Carlton an advantage. Unlike Collingwood, Geelong and Essendon who had just a reserves side in the VFL; Carlton (under the guise of Northern Blues), can field a side in the VFL plus the AFL Victoria Development League (VFL Reserves).

Northern Blues (Carlton) and Box Hill Hawks (Hawthorn) are what us VFA/VFL supporters like to call 'takeover clubs', where there are too few traditional supporters, and the AFL club has full control (at Box Hill, Hawthorn always controls the board 5-4).

That said fact is, both of these clubs (especially if you take a walk through their clubrooms) have been stripped of their history, nickname and jumper. R.I.P - Preston Bullants and Box Hill Mustangs.

Hello David ???
Are you hearing/reading this???
Never let the facts destroy a good response

THIS is what will happen to our Clubs - supporters will leave/turn their backs on their Clubs because of such farce.

Are you hearing that?
I know, I know... "It's the best thing for Footy in SA" ... Pfft

Yes I am. It is still a club alignment, completely different set up to a reserves pool arrangement. We are not taking over another club and stripping them of their history or keeping out their players. David.

[Apachebulldog]

Cutterman of course they are confident of crowd numbers because i think it is going to be free entry for AFC members apparently this occurs with some AFL clubs in Victoria free entry to the VFL. !!!

[Jim05]

Cutterman of course they are confident of crowd numbers because i think it is going to be free entry for AFC members apparently this occurs with some AFL clubs in Victoria free entry to the VFL. !!!

Only free for home games
Im wondering if the Crows will offer this aswell
I fail to see how it helps the SANFL if a few thousand Crows freeloaders rock up each week

[Apachebulldog]

Thanks Jim05 for that info !