AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Pseudo]

Different scenario. The VFL, (formerly VFA) was never the premier competition in Victoria. Thus the crowds of now are pretty much similar to what they have always been.

Back in the heyday, (the age of relevance) Glenelg, Norwood, North etc. would regularly attract 10-15,000+ to a match. The likes of Box Hill or Port Melbourne could only dream of those numbers.

But beeny, remember your Golden Rule:

Doesn't matter what USED to happen, it matters what IS happening.

... and what IS happening is that VFL crowds are relatively low, and significantly lower than those of the SANFL, despite the purported drawing power of AFL reserves teams. Face it - few AFL fans give a wet slap about their reserves, and it will be no different here.

Add to this that VFL club officials openly admit that servicing the needs of their AFL masters is priority over actually winning games, and that VFL clubs are sacrificing their identities to the whims of their AFL partners (Northern Blues, anyone?), and what IS happening to the VFL is very sordid indeed.

By all means go and set up your reserves team - but go and roger some other league with it.

[kickinit]

The Power really has destroyed the Port tradition

please explain what's been destroyed?

The Port Adelaide Football Club was once a club to be feared, loathed, hated. It was to be admired for its success, its ability to continue to haunt you in its never say die attitude. Port Adelaide always triumphed in the face of adversity. It appeared to embrace its "school of hard knocks" culture without a chip on its shoulder and used it as an internal drive for success.

Now the magpies are seen as a basket case B grade half arsed club which may or may not be associated with an AFL team that claims they are one in the same or some such.

Quite frankly the message has been lost on anyone outside of the black and white supporter base. I no longer have the deep seeded hatred and loathing of the black and white prison bars because quite frankly I don't believe it is the same club. The Power tried to pinch that ethos, then completely **** it up.

The Magpies aren't to be feared anymore, they are to be pitied. It used to be there was "no SANFL without Port", but now I believe it should be "there will be no SANFL with Port".

you muppet, so because you don't feel the same about port you think the power have destroyed them? If you actually knew A lot of what Port Power is built on is what the magpies used to be successful.

[Armytank]

Muppet? I hope I am the Swedish cook then.....

The point is that the Magpies are not the same club as they were before the inception of the Power.

The original two club philosophy didn't work as the Power raped all the was Port Adelaide out of the Magpies, leaving nothing but a rotting carcass somewhere in the forward pocket at Alberton. Now we have a "one club" initiative, where Port are trying to enforce what is best for the Power onto the rest of the SANFL.

Well the other 8 clubs would have every right to disagree. What is best for the Power regularly is not best for the SANFL.

Fielding your B grade in the SANFL shows nothing but contempt for the competition from which you came. If you want to get to insults I will put it in terms you may be able to understand. AFL reserves in the SANFL is like turning 18 and then ******* your Dad's girlfriend. It shows utter disrespect to the very people that created an environment for you to exist in, who nurtured you and supported you when you were down and out. It is spitting on the grass roots from which your success as a club was borne.

Time for Daddy to kick the petulant kid out of the house and let him fend for himself.

Now please excuse me, I have some chickens to pluck...........

[bulldogproud2]

The Power really has destroyed the Port tradition

please explain what's been destroyed?

The Port Adelaide Football Club was once a club to be feared, loathed, hated. It was to be admired for its success, its ability to continue to haunt you in its never say die attitude. Port Adelaide always triumphed in the face of adversity. It appeared to embrace its "school of hard knocks" culture without a chip on its shoulder and used it as an internal drive for success.

Now the magpies are seen as a basket case B grade half arsed club which may or may not be associated with an AFL team that claims they are one in the same or some such.

Quite frankly the message has been lost on anyone outside of the black and white supporter base. I no longer have the deep seeded hatred and loathing of the black and white prison bars because quite frankly I don't believe it is the same club. The Power tried to pinch that ethos, then completely **** it up.

The Magpies aren't to be feared anymore, they are to be pitied. It used to be there was "no SANFL without Port", but now I believe it should be "there will be no SANFL with Port".

you muppet, so because you don't feel the same about port you think the power have destroyed them? If you actually knew A lot of what Port Power is built on is what the magpies used to be successful.

You mean being able to succeed by buying players in an era before salary caps were introduced??? No premierships after salary caps!

[CENTURION]

give up now, the Port supporters are right, the non-Port supporters are wrong, you can't argue about this, it's pointless.
Just *bump* this thread when Port are dead.

[whufc]

Yep NO ONE fears the Magpies anymore.

I remember the days when me and my mates use to fear and hate the Alberton trip. These days it has become our favourite away day, which usually ends with a comfortable victory.

As recent as the early 2000's i think people still got worried if the Pies made the 5 they could still be a threat, now they are harmless!

The Magpies are a shadow of the Port club they use to be.

Funnily enough their demise has coincided with the Power being in the AFL.

[whufc]

give up now, the Port supporters are right, the non-Port supporters are wrong, you can't argue about this, it's pointless.
Just *bump* this thread when Port are dead.

More fun to give them carp plus kickinit goes in hiding and avoids the question when his wrong!

[GWW]

You mean being able to succeed by buying players in an era before salary caps were introduced??? No premierships after salary caps!

So which players did Port purchase in the 88 to 90 premiership years, that helped them win them those games?

Think you'll find most of the key players were zone players/juniors - Phillips, Abernethy, D Smith, Delaney, Hodges, Wanganeen, S Williams, Obst, Ginever, Brown, R Smith. Not a huge amount of big purchasing of outside players there.

There was Russell Johnston, but there was part of the deal bringing Mark Williams to Collingwood (not much different to Lee/Platten at Centrals).

[bulldogproud2]

You mean being able to succeed by buying players in an era before salary caps were introduced??? No premierships after salary caps!

So which players did Port purchase in the 88 to 90 premiership years, that helped them win them those games?

Think you'll find most of the key players were zone players/juniors - Phillips, Abernethy, D Smith, Delaney, Hodges, Wanganeen, S Williams, Obst, Ginever, Brown, R Smith. Not a huge amount of big purchasing of outside players there.

There was Russell Johnston, but there was part of the deal bringing Mark Williams to Collingwood (not much different to Lee/Platten at Centrals).

Well, two of the biggest families in the history of Port Adelaide only came to Port via other clubs or from the zone of other clubs: the Williams family and the Ebert family. Without money, these families would not have been Port names.

Cheers

[kickinit]

give up now, the Port supporters are right, the non-Port supporters are wrong, you can't argue about this, it's pointless.
Just *bump* this thread when Port are dead.

More fun to give them carp plus kickinit goes in hiding and avoids the question when his wrong!

I go in hiding and avoids question? um i answered your question you even replied to it. But apparently I can't make assumptions, it's funny how your entire argument is based on assumptions though.

[GWW]

Ebert was recruited as a young bloke, I do not think money would have been massive.

And Fos Williams was appointed as an untried/inexperienced coach - not really a good example of paying massive money to poach from another club, I wouldn't have though.

[bulldogproud2]

The original comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, hence the , but it is interesting that Port Magpies have struggled ever since a salary cap was introduced.
Cheers

[GWW]

Not sure if thats the only reason they have struggled

[whufc]

give up now, the Port supporters are right, the non-Port supporters are wrong, you can't argue about this, it's pointless.
Just *bump* this thread when Port are dead.

More fun to give them carp plus kickinit goes in hiding and avoids the question when his wrong!

I go in hiding and avoids question? um i answered your question you even replied to it. But apparently I can't make assumptions, it's funny how your entire argument is based on assumptions though.

Lol I'm basing mine on fact of what has happened in the VFL and WAFL.

Every single post of yours has used no evidence and has been nothing more than a one eyed guess

[whufc]

Once again kickinit give us a benefit that's not just financial for the SANFL clubs and its supporters!!

*sits and watches kickinit avoid answering it again and if he does it will be another pathetic answer like we won't have players coming in and out of the side when in actual fact the clubs enjoy having the AFL players come back.

[Mark_Beswick]

John Vincent Cahill Junior was a South Jnr.

[UK Fan]

And yet the recent transfer of McKernan from South to Glenelg, while still playing League went by without any semblance of hysteria.

Spot on. How many reserves games did Mckernan ever play for South? What disadvantage was Mckernan getting? None. No uproar about that move whatsoever. Yet Port moving Ben Newton created more havoc than Ports 1990 AFL bid.

Absolute Bollocks there was NONE.

You're clearly not reading enough UK, (again) there's been several comments about Port Adelaide Players moving to the Magpies.

And again you simply trot out more mindless hyperbole' re. Revenue. Irrespective of how many Millions has been deposited by the PAFC into SANFL coffers since 1870, 1997 has seen over $57M generated by the PAFC into SANFL coffers. It's not Port Adelaide's role to turn that REVENUE into a profit, that's the SANFL's job.

If the return of $15M to Port Adelaide over the past few years has put such a dent in their bank balance, that's the SANFL's fault NOT Port Adelaide's.

(now awaits more hysterics perpetuated by selective editing)

We agree. It's the job of the Sanfl to deem a profit out of ports REVENUE . Thats why the Sanfl / clubs / league / commission have finally declared after exhausting all options available. Due to the COST associated with running Port Adelaide outweighing REVENUE generated for SANFL. The only way out of this failed investment is to sell Port Adelaides licence and cut our losses. One problem Port Adelaide's afl licence is worthless due to your $4-6 mill losses per annum(without afl assistance) and no real hope of that changing. So we have had to bundle in our PROFIT making Adelaide Fc licence to gain an actual return.

Revenue debate: Power and Crows sole reason for existence is to make revenue for SANFL/CLUBS . That was the agreement for handing you on a silver platter our market share to a legion of football fans and the states print/radio/tv media.

Back to the reserves debate. It will be interesting what happens in September if the crows need an answer by then. Three months away and noted alternative SAAFL have confirmed no approach made. I'd speculate the NEAFL/VFL havent either tbh.

[bulldogproud2]

Maybe they will end up playing in a two team competition after all: Crows reserves versus Power reserves each week. After all, that fits the bill for all groups. The SANFL is impacted upon in the least way possible. The Power and Crows end up playing against opposition of a similar nature every week and all their players stay together. On reflection, not as silly as it first sounded. After all, the Power and the Crows don't want their Reserves team to play for a premiership, just to play as a team. It also would be at minimal cost to the clubs.
Cheers

[kickinit]

Once again kickinit give us a benefit that's not just financial for the SANFL clubs and its supporters!!

*sits and watches kickinit avoid answering it again and if he does it will be another pathetic answer like we won't have players coming in and out of the side when in actual fact the clubs enjoy having the AFL players come back.

oh so I have to give a reason but can't use one because you don't like it. Well how about you give us a reason that isn't your assumption. And yes that means assuming the SANFL will end up like the VFL and WAFL. And not a reason like it will lower the integrity of the SANFL and lower crowd numbers. If you decide to not go and watch your team because of who they are playing then that's YOUR decision no one else, at the end of the day every team will play to win every game and to win a flag, come finals time it will be the best 5 (or how may if it's a 10 team) teams that will play finals footy. It's funny how some things are good enough for you but not good enough for anyone else.

[kickinit]

Maybe they will end up playing in a two team competition after all: Crows reserves versus Power reserves each week. After all, that fits the bill for all groups. The SANFL is impacted upon in the least way possible. The Power and Crows end up playing against opposition of a similar nature every week and all their players stay together. On reflection, not as silly as it first sounded. After all, the Power and the Crows don't want their Reserves team to play for a premiership, just to play as a team. It also would be at minimal cost to the clubs.
Cheers

Have you been brain washed? Maybe you should read Keith Thomas letter, he states that port adelaide is about winning premierships, even to the point of designing a policy with the SANFL so port had to commit to playing finals to win and also to not have a unfair advantage against other teams.