National 2nd Tier Competiton Discussion

[sjt]

The organisation of this reminds me of the Magpies trying to arrange an anniversary game at AAMI last year...

I dare say Port, Sturt and West may be the only clubs interested purely on financial grounds

We've already said no also.

I'm getting the feeling, the clubs may be united on this one. They're sick of getting screwed. Hopefully they can stand together. Maybe Chandler should have (if he didn't, which appears likely) discussed it with the clubs he's elected to represent.

[Jim05]

The organisation of this reminds me of the Magpies trying to arrange an anniversary game at AAMI last year...

I dare say Port, Sturt and West may be the only clubs interested purely on financial grounds

We've already said no also.

I'm getting the feeling, the clubs may be united on this one. They're sick of getting screwed. Hopefully they can stand together. Maybe Chandler should have (if he didn't, which appears likely) discussed it with the clubs he's elected to represent.

The afl will flex their muscles and pummel us

[Hazydog]

I'm genuinely surprised at what appears to be a majority of supporters being against this concept.

I'm interested to know if more would be in favour of it, (in its existing format), if we could tinker with the SANFL programme to ensure that those teams participating would still get an opportunity to have three playing free weekends per season, and therefore not unduly affect their chances of competing for the main goal of the SANFL Premiership?

[CUTTERMAN]

This concept is a farce, but it WILL go ahead and centrals,norwood and eagles WILL paticipate. The sanfl got into bed with the afl so that demetriou prick will demand that the clubs take part. The afl has us over a barrel and can threaten to withdraw funds for adelaide oval redevelopment or if they wanted to get really nasty they could threaten to give the crows or power worse draws. One way or another the sanfl will be shafted so we might aswell lube up now to avoid a bit of pain

The AFL aren't putting any funds into AO

[Interceptor]

I'm genuinely surprised at what appears to be a majority of supporters being against this concept.

Mainly the ones who wish it was still the 1980s and have massive chips on their shoulders about anything to do with the AFL.
Sure we should fight against poor proposals and AFL disrespecting the SANFL, but sheesh.

If the comp had more prize money, I would expect the clubs' other objections to quickly disappear.
Did anyone object to similar comps in the 70s and 80s will no byes?
(Apart from I think John Todd who sent a reserves team over to Melbourne once when the VFL refused a schedule change).

[JK]

If the comp had more prize money, I would expect the clubs' other objections to quickly disappear.

If it was lucrative, then yeah I think they would too and rightly so .. Why would you give up an advantage in the local premiership race to other clubs, unless you were getting some other form ($$) of advantage in return?

[sjt]

I'm genuinely surprised at what appears to be a majority of supporters being against this concept.

Mainly the ones who wish it was still the 1980s and have massive chips on their shoulders about anything to do with the AFL.
Sure we should fight against poor proposals and AFL disrespecting the SANFL, but sheesh.

If the comp had more prize money, I would expect the clubs' other objections to quickly disappear.
Did anyone object to similar comps in the 70s and 80s will no byes?
(Apart from I think John Todd who sent a reserves team over to Melbourne once when the VFL refused a schedule change).

I don't wish it was still the 80's. I just think if they're going to have this comp. which I don't mind the concept, then they should be fairly rewarded for it.
Of course if it had reasonable prize money the clubs objections would quickly disappear. The current prize money for the player risk and potential hinderance to a premiership is a farce.

[JamesH]

I really think that the state league clubs should host games.... that way they make some money off the gate and at the bar. It would also keep the 'local' or 'tribal' feel of the games

[JamesH]

Ive had a crazy idea going on in my head for a while...... why not have evry club play matches against interstate clubs for premiership points in place of playing three clubs for a third time. That way the major state leagues could operate like conferences with interleague games. The match ups could be based on previous years placings to ensure we get the match ups we all want and Foxtel could telecast on delay before the saturday night AFL game.

[Hazydog]

I like your thinking JamesH but I think the problem there is the added expense to Foxtel of broadcasting from suburban grounds. The current format removes that cost as they are already at the AFL venue ready to broadcast the AFL game.

As I see it, what Foxtel & the AFL have offered is a relatively low expense option which would have allowed Foxtel to gauge the interest of State League footy to their subscribers, whilst hopefully providing a novelty aspect to the State Leagues.

What they seem to have misjudged is the potential damage this concept may have on, say the 4 semi finalists, who dont get enough opportunity o rest their squad.

My question there is - How can the State League modify their fixture list to assist the competing clubs? It maight not be that hard!

[HeartBeatsTrue]

My question there is - How can the State League modify their fixture list to assist the competing clubs? It maight not be that hard!

Sorry Hazy is it difficult to comprehend that the finalists of this comp, no matter how much you tweak the state league fixture will always play 4 more matches than the rest of the comp in the minor round?

It will always be a disadvantage to competing teams vs non-competing teams. The only compensation would be $$$ and $40K minus expenses for the winner is not enough.

I'm too young to remember inter-league matches of the past, but were they played mid-season or post/pre season?

[Hazydog]

HBT they were played mid season and furthermore, mid week in between SANFL fixtures.

Which brings me to my cunning plan

How about the three competing teams start their season a week earlier? ie CD v Eag & Nwd v Sturt play round 1 the week before the usual start.

I then suggest that rounds 2-4 for these teams are played over a 2 week period. Maybe something like the following (for example from a CD perspective) Friday night WA v CD, Wed night CD V NA, Sunday CD v SA.

By doing this you would automatically free up an extra 2 weekends, on top of scheduled byes.

Now I'm not suggesting this would be easy - but I certainly think it would be manageable. Lets face it - Teams did it in the 70's & 80's and I dont recall an outcry from those teams who made the finals of the night comps complaining about the extra games.

I'm not sure of my timing here but the next game may well be against Ainslie where they could rest some older sore bodies if required and play a younger team who would still be a good chance of winning.

Before I get shot down in flames - these are only thoughts off the top of the head designed to highlight that there may be ways and means to make this state league concept work if the clubs want to.

[spell_check]

I had something along those lines Hazydog, at least with two split rounds. The season starts on the weekend of the 25/26 March and finish on the 9th of October. The main problem though, is that you know there will be no Saturday night matches on the 26th with the Crows playing then.


Round 6 to be a split round, and the last weeks of July to be the other split round.

[spell_check]

After saying that, the clubs should demand better remuneration, though. I certainly want the competition to go ahead, so long as the clubs are satisfied with the conditions and are not being roped in by certain parties.

[CUTTERMAN]

I'm not sure if this has been brought up but doesn't the ABC have a contract to televise State League games, would this be any sort of breach? I doubt it would be but for all the ABC has put into the SANFL I'd think they'd be pretty pissed off if Foxtel hijacked all their hard work and decication

[Hazydog]

all their hard work and decication

Was that dedication or decimation ??

[SDK]

OK number 1 increase the prize money.
The ABC would not be breached because I believe these proposed games are before AFL games and as such is part of an AFL telecast ??!!???

OK just an idea so that the participating clubs are not playing extra games ...e.g. Norwood are due to play South at Nourlunga but instead they play Labrador in ...Greenland or where ever. South then play the team e.g Centrals are scheduled to play because Centrals are crushing Ainslie by 76 goals.....ect ect.
Slight advantage to South and Co because they dont have to play one of last years top teams but one would assume Centrals and Norwood would win their Champions game as well....... and the Eagles but you get my point.

Oh did I mention that in this example Centrals and Norwood both get premiership points in the SANFL if they win ...yes Eagles you too ...hahaha. As Centrals, Norwood and Eagles advance further into the Champions competition it will get harder. I don't accept that a team from WA will be an easy beat and that their comp is drastically inferior to ours ....Hey Jars what do you think ?

Just a bit of speculative bs but what the hell I'm on my third glass of wine.

[Squawk]

$40,000 prizemoney?

Sounds a pittance, perhaps.

I'll stand corrected, but I think SANFL prizemoney for 2010 was $20k to the premiers, $10k to the runners up and $5k to third place. No prizemoney for reserves, u/18s or u/16s. No prizemoney for fourth or fifth in the league either, despite playing finals.

That's gotta be worth complaining about, surely!

[HeartBeatsTrue]

$40,000 prizemoney?

Sounds a pittance, perhaps.

I'll stand corrected, but I think SANFL prizemoney for 2010 was $20k to the premiers, $10k to the runners up and $5k to third place. No prizemoney for reserves, u/18s or u/16s. No prizemoney for fourth or fifth in the league either, despite playing finals.

That's gotta be worth complaining about, surely!

Pretty sure clubs get money for each final they contest in.

[Dutchy]

it was reduced this year