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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby beenreal » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:07 pm

whufc wrote:How much money will Port be saving now it no longer has to fund a magpie side.

Koch is a numbers man, you bet they won him over.


How little you know. A major fear from the Board is the dismantling of the club structure could cost the PAFC up to $1,000,000
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby on the rails » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:11 pm

beenreal wrote:
whufc wrote:How much money will Port be saving now it no longer has to fund a magpie side.

Koch is a numbers man, you bet they won him over.


How little you know. A major fear from the Board is the dismantling of the club structure could cost the PAFC up to $1,000,000


It costs the PAFC $1.3m budgeted to run the whole Magpie set up under the agreement with the SANFL to ensure that 1 club gave no advantage to the Magpie nodel ahead of other SANFL Clubs. Given that the PAFC has had to and will continue to rely on handouts - how the hell could that possibly cost your club by cutting the Magpies??? :shock: It will help it reduce it's operating costs significantly but then why would I be surprised that you would believe that rubbish! Don't you think a massive factor for the PAFC AFL part of the club re this whole issue is the cost saving cutting lose the Magpies!
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby whufc » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:16 pm

on the rails wrote:
beenreal wrote:
whufc wrote:How much money will Port be saving now it no longer has to fund a magpie side.

Koch is a numbers man, you bet they won him over.


How little you know. A major fear from the Board is the dismantling of the club structure could cost the PAFC up to $1,000,000


It costs the PAFC $1.3m budgeted to run the whole Magpie set up under the agreement with the SANFL to ensure that 1 club gave no advantage to the Magpie nodel ahead of other SANFL Clubs. Given that the PAFC has had to and will continue to rely on handouts - how the hell could that possibly cost your club by cutting the Magpies??? :shock: It will help it reduce it's operating costs significantly but then why would I be surprised that you would believe that rubbish! Don't you think a massive factor for the PAFC AFL part of the club re this whole issue is the cost saving cutting lose the Magpies!


I thought it was pretty obvious really, what's the SANFL salary cap they will now pay what 1/10th of it yet the Powers wage bill still stays the same, pretty quick saving there.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby areaman » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:19 pm

beenreal wrote:How little you know. A major fear from the Board is the dismantling of the club structure could cost the PAFC up to $1,000,000

And we all know how accurate the PAFC Board has been with it's financial estimates in the past.

Did Penny Wong do the numbers?
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby Pseudo » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:28 pm

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Aerie wrote:What's your thoughts on this Booney?


Pretty mixed emotions, Aerie.

I dont really know what to think.


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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby beenreal » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:51 pm

areaman wrote:
beenreal wrote:How little you know. A major fear from the Board is the dismantling of the club structure could cost the PAFC up to $1,000,000

And we all know how accurate the PAFC Board has been with it's financial estimates in the past.

Did Penny Wong do the numbers?


Ah yes, the past. That happy place where no mistake has ever been made because it all has the benefit of hindsight.

May come as a surprise to you areaman, but the current Board is not the past Board.

And yes the Magpie division has costs to run it. But these costs have been offset my the whole structure facilitating community fundraising initiatives like the Debt demolition, Licensed venue profit increases, merchandise increases, membership increases, etc.

Putting these initiatives at financial risk is what the PAFC Board is very concerned about.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby areaman » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:12 pm

beenreal wrote:Ah yes, the past. That happy place where no mistake has ever been made because it all has the benefit of hindsight.

May come as a surprise to you areaman, but the current Board is not the past Board.

And yes the Magpie division has costs to run it. But these costs have been offset my the whole structure facilitating community fundraising initiatives like the Debt demolition, Licensed venue profit increases, merchandise increases, membership increases, etc.

Putting these initiatives at financial risk is what the PAFC Board is very concerned about.

Ah yes, a new board where all mistakes are happily wiped away. Who can forget Duncanson's tearful self indulgent resignation.

But seriously, considering all SANFL clubs have been reliant on SANFL dividends and poker machines for so long I struggle to comprehend how losing the Magpies in their current form could hurt PAFC's finances.

P.S. You might want to remove your signature where you talk about being proud of the past if you don't like anyone bringing it up.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby whufc » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:20 pm

Apparently having the Magpies turned into the Power reserves side was some t&c's for a view of their Victorian staff crossing the border.

Will watch with interest what jobs the non south aussies take up in the reserves side.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby Macca19 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:28 pm

areaman wrote:
beenreal wrote:Ah yes, the past. That happy place where no mistake has ever been made because it all has the benefit of hindsight.

May come as a surprise to you areaman, but the current Board is not the past Board.

And yes the Magpie division has costs to run it. But these costs have been offset my the whole structure facilitating community fundraising initiatives like the Debt demolition, Licensed venue profit increases, merchandise increases, membership increases, etc.

Putting these initiatives at financial risk is what the PAFC Board is very concerned about.

Ah yes, a new board where all mistakes are happily wiped away. Who can forget Duncanson's tearful self indulgent resignation.

But seriously, considering all SANFL clubs have been reliant on SANFL dividends and poker machines for so long I struggle to comprehend how losing the Magpies in their current form could hurt PAFC's finances.


Well you instantly lose 4000 members for a start who pay their Magpies membership money + merch + season/home tickets.

THen you need to take into account how many Magpies supporters, players, staff & associates support the club financially by either being members or holding season tickets for the Power. How many sponsor the club?

I guess thats where you need to look. How many of these people will be lost to the PAFC without the original Magpies there. How many wont buy PAFC memberships, wont sponsor the club anymore etc.

Worst case scenario, I would think a loss of $1m in revenue could happen.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby areaman » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:48 pm

Macca19 wrote:
areaman wrote:Ah yes, a new board where all mistakes are happily wiped away. Who can forget Duncanson's tearful self indulgent resignation.

But seriously, considering all SANFL clubs have been reliant on SANFL dividends and poker machines for so long I struggle to comprehend how losing the Magpies in their current form could hurt PAFC's finances.
Well you instantly lose 4000 members for a start who pay their Magpies membership money + merch + season/home tickets.

THen you need to take into account how many Magpies supporters, players, staff & associates support the club financially by either being members or holding season tickets for the Power. How many sponsor the club?

I guess thats where you need to look. How many of these people will be lost to the PAFC without the original Magpies there. How many wont buy PAFC memberships, wont sponsor the club anymore etc.

Worst case scenario, I would think a loss of $1m in revenue could happen.

So $1m in revenue - what about the expenses they will save?

I just find it improbable that the Magpies are a cash positive venture.

Beeny's original post on this topic suggested the Magpies contribute a net figure of $1m. If the revenue is $1m that means the expenses of the Magpies are $0.00.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:52 pm

Remember. You don't have to do this. No one is forcing port.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby whufc » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:55 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:Remember. You don't have to do this. No one is forcing port.


Apparently people within their club are though
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby beenreal » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:02 pm

areaman wrote:
beenreal wrote:Ah yes, the past. That happy place where no mistake has ever been made because it all has the benefit of hindsight.

May come as a surprise to you areaman, but the current Board is not the past Board.

And yes the Magpie division has costs to run it. But these costs have been offset my the whole structure facilitating community fundraising initiatives like the Debt demolition, Licensed venue profit increases, merchandise increases, membership increases, etc.

Putting these initiatives at financial risk is what the PAFC Board is very concerned about.

Ah yes, a new board where all mistakes are happily wiped away. Who can forget Duncanson's tearful self indulgent resignation.

But seriously, considering all SANFL clubs have been reliant on SANFL dividends and poker machines for so long pI struggle to comprehend how losing the Magpies in their current form could hurt PAFC's finances.

P.S. You might want to remove your signature where you talk about being proud of the past if you don't like anyone bringing it up.


You can bring up the past all you like, doesn't make it true. But here's a piece of Port Adelaide's past that might invoke a memory or two. Remember the 1994 Grand Final? It certainly puts a proud smile on my face.

The $ANFL are looking to force Port out of the league by revoking their License with 12-months notice. Sounds pretty forceful to me.

And Brett Duncanson was informed of Brad Mercer's father's sudden demise (killed in a workplace accident) on his way into his Press Conference.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby smac » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:12 pm

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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby StrayDog » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:25 pm

areaman wrote:
beenreal wrote:How little you know. A major fear from the Board is the dismantling of the club structure could cost the PAFC up to $1,000,000

And we all know how accurate the PAFC Board has been with it's financial estimates in the past.

Did Penny Wong do the numbers?

Yep, with Mr "24% of GDP" Hockey checking them afterwards. Leave this shite for the 'Politics' board FFS.


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The $ANFL are looking to force Port out of the league by revoking their License with 12-months notice. Sounds pretty forceful to me.


In your view, what time-frame would be reasonable?
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby beenreal » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:59 pm

StrayDog wrote:
areaman wrote:
beenreal wrote:How little you know. A major fear from the Board is the dismantling of the club structure could cost the PAFC up to $1,000,000

And we all know how accurate the PAFC Board has been with it's financial estimates in the past.

Did Penny Wong do the numbers?

Yep, with Mr "24% of GDP" Hockey checking them afterwards. Leave this shite for the 'Politics' board FFS.


beenreal wrote:
The $ANFL are looking to force Port out of the league by revoking their License with 12-months notice. Sounds pretty forceful to me.


In your view, what time-frame would be reasonable?


How about never?

It's quite simple, just because the $ANFL can revoke the License doesn't mean they have to
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby Pseudo » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:14 pm

beenreal wrote:It's quite simple, just because the $ANFL can revoke the License doesn't mean they have to

Just 'coz the PAPs can take over a sovereign SANFL club and turn it into a playground for their developing players, it doesn't mean that they have to.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby StrayDog » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:58 pm

beenreal wrote:
StrayDog wrote:
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The $ANFL are looking to force Port out of the league by revoking their License with 12-months notice. Sounds pretty forceful to me.


In your view, what time-frame would be reasonable?


How about never?

It's quite simple, just because the $ANFL can revoke the License doesn't mean they have to

Okay, the "12-months notice" bit was superfluous then. Got it, thanks for keeping it simple. :)
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby saintal » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:33 pm

beenreal wrote:The $ANFL are looking to force Port out of the league by revoking their License with 12-months notice. Sounds pretty forceful to me.


Apart from Rucci, where else has this been mentioned? Has anybody actually heard on good authority that the SANFL will take this approach? Have Port indicated to their Magpie members/players that this is likely to happen if they don't morph into the Power? (serious questions..not being a smart arse)
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:36 pm

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