AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Pseudo]

(blah blah blah rhubarb rhubarb)

I enjoy going to SANFL games and attend more than just games involving Port Adelaide. But the arguments mounted here and across the SANFL spectrum epitomise the NIMBY mentality that afflicts this state.

A pathological, almost hysterical aversion to change.

Removing Port from the SANFL league ranks - as suggested by several posters here as part of a compromise solution - would be a fairly significant change. The only posters here exhibiting any aversion to this change is the Power fans. Seems change is only good to you lot when it serves your own agenda.

[Ecky]

Say 10% of all Crows and PA members decide to go back to the SANFL to watch their reserves play. This could happen. Thats another 9000 or so every week going back, paying money to go to SANFL games. Thats 180,000 more people per year. Approximately $2m+ getting put back into the SANFL coffers from people that may otherwise, would not be bothered going to SANFL games. Surely this should be considered a good thing? And again, make it attractive to SANFL clubs. All SANFL clubs playing the two SANFL clubs get to keep the gate takings, either home or away. More money going into the SANFL clubs.

Then why do Collingwood, a club with more members and supporters than the Crows or Port, get crowds of well under 1000 to their reserves games?
For whatever reasons, reserves games attract very little interest no matter what the teams are or what competitions they are in.

[Pseudo]

And yet the recent transfer of McKernan from South to Glenelg, while still playing League went by without any semblance of hysteria.

Spot on. How many reserves games did Mckernan ever play for South? What disadvantage was Mckernan getting? None. No uproar about that move whatsoever. Yet Port moving Ben Newton created more havoc than Ports 1990 AFL bid.

When the Crows merge with Glenelg to create a single admin entity, then start moving their players to Glenelg, then you might have a valid point. Then you can create all the uproar you like, but I won't hear it - 'coz by the time it got to that point I would be long gone...

[Pseudo]

Just imagine Scott Hodges lining up for the Crows reserves against Port at Alberton.....

The red blue and gold "Hodges" sign that was sometimes waved by the Magpies' cheer squad would have come in handy

[heater31]

Say 10% of all Crows and PA members decide to go back to the SANFL to watch their reserves play. This could happen. Thats another 9000 or so every week going back, paying money to go to SANFL games. Thats 180,000 more people per year. Approximately $2m+ getting put back into the SANFL coffers from people that may otherwise, would not be bothered going to SANFL games. Surely this should be considered a good thing? And again, make it attractive to SANFL clubs. All SANFL clubs playing the two SANFL clubs get to keep the gate takings, either home or away. More money going into the SANFL clubs.

Then why do Collingwood, a club with more members and supporters than the Crows or Port, get crowds of well under 1000 to their reserves games?
For whatever reasons, reserves games attract very little interest no matter what the teams are or what competitions they are in.

Only time The VFL Collingwood get good crowds is when the AFL game is a sellout and the VFL game is on the day before. This happened when I went to a Collingwood v Bendigo (Essendon) game in 2010. Would have been over 3000 there and 1000 of them from each team decided to attend because they didn't have a ticket to the AFL game the next day.


IMO the SANFL finances are likely to go down as I can hardly see 6000 fronting up for a Norwood v Power reserves game.....

[whufc]

Yep I watched Collingwood v box hill on a perfect day at Victoria park infront of less than 1000 people.

[Pseudo]

Coincidentally I was up in the hour of 4 this morning (jet lag) and caught the tail end of the VFL telecast. Northern Blues vs Collingwood. There were bugger-all people there, although there was a bit of voice from the few in the stands, possibly due to the closeness of the game.

Coincidentally, the little amount of commentary after the game centred around development for the AFL teams. Is this what we want the coverage of the SANFL to become?

Also interesting that a team wearing red and white can be called the blues, simply because it wears a CFC logo on its belly...

[beenreal]

Say 10% of all Crows and PA members decide to go back to the SANFL to watch their reserves play. This could happen. Thats another 9000 or so every week going back, paying money to go to SANFL games. Thats 180,000 more people per year. Approximately $2m+ getting put back into the SANFL coffers from people that may otherwise, would not be bothered going to SANFL games. Surely this should be considered a good thing? And again, make it attractive to SANFL clubs. All SANFL clubs playing the two SANFL clubs get to keep the gate takings, either home or away. More money going into the SANFL clubs.

Then why do Collingwood, a club with more members and supporters than the Crows or Port, get crowds of well under 1000 to their reserves games?
For whatever reasons, reserves games attract very little interest no matter what the teams are or what competitions they are in.

Different scenario. The VFL, (formerly VFA) was never the premier competition in Victoria. Thus the crowds of now are pretty much similar to what they have always been.

Back in the heyday, (the age of relevance) Glenelg, Norwood, North etc. would regularly attract 10-15,000+ to a match. The likes of Box Hill or Port Melbourne could only dream of those numbers.

[UK Fan]

And yet the recent transfer of McKernan from South to Glenelg, while still playing League went by without any semblance of hysteria.

This is not about what is best for the SANFL, this is about giving the SANFL's major income providers, the two AFL clubs, their best opportunity for success, which in turn will generate more income.

I enjoy going to SANFL games and attend more than just games involving Port Adelaide. But the arguments mounted here and across the SANFL spectrum epitomise the NIMBY mentality that afflicts this state.

A pathological, almost hysterical aversion to change.

Still trying Revenue/major Income producer been Real ????

Cos yet again you are deliberately making your statement to sound like Port arent a financial basketcase and the SANFL rely on them to make $$$$$. When everyone on this website knows full well that is not the case.

Port might be ranked second as the SANFl revenues raiser but guess which club is The SANFL No.1 expense ????????

5 years ago when crows/power presidents demanded you do this for us we are your number 1 revenue raisers. We listened.
Now Port arent raising enough reevnue to cover their bottom line and yet your still beating your chest making demands.

Now your cliaming the SANFl has a mentality that simply resists change. After 22 years of constant change to suit you. How arrogant can you get. I would of thought anyone watching the demise of The Port mAgpies would understand how much change every sanfl club has had to go thru to accomodate those powers that be. And for what ????

How about instead of 95% of the safooty community being backward thinking. Alternate theory you are simply talking down to everyone on this site AGAIN due to the fact you really want this to happen and simply couldnt care on any effects to the sanfl/sanfl clubs due to it.

[Dogwatcher]

Different scenario. The VFL, (formerly VFA) was never the premier competition in Victoria. Thus the crowds of now are pretty much similar to what they have always been.

Really?

[UK Fan]

And yet the recent transfer of McKernan from South to Glenelg, while still playing League went by without any semblance of hysteria.

Spot on. How many reserves games did Mckernan ever play for South? What disadvantage was Mckernan getting? None. No uproar about that move whatsoever. Yet Port moving Ben Newton created more havoc than Ports 1990 AFL bid.

Absolute Bollocks there was NONE.

[beenreal]

And yet the recent transfer of McKernan from South to Glenelg, while still playing League went by without any semblance of hysteria.

Spot on. How many reserves games did Mckernan ever play for South? What disadvantage was Mckernan getting? None. No uproar about that move whatsoever. Yet Port moving Ben Newton created more havoc than Ports 1990 AFL bid.

Absolute Bollocks there was NONE.

You're clearly not reading enough UK, (again) there's been several comments about Port Adelaide Players moving to the Magpies.

And again you simply trot out more mindless hyperbole' re. Revenue. Irrespective of how many Millions has been deposited by the PAFC into SANFL coffers since 1870, 1997 has seen over $57M generated by the PAFC into SANFL coffers. It's not Port Adelaide's role to turn that REVENUE into a profit, that's the SANFL's job.

If the return of $15M to Port Adelaide over the past few years has put such a dent in their bank balance, that's the SANFL's fault NOT Port Adelaide's.

(now awaits more hysterics perpetuated by selective editing)

[UK Fan]

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BBWWAHHH!!! enjoy the away changerooms at Salisbury North Crows boys.

[Booney]

Different scenario. The VFL, (formerly VFA) was never the premier competition in Victoria. Thus the crowds of now are pretty much similar to what they have always been.

Really?

The old VFL (now AFL) was the premier competition.

[whufc]

And yet the recent transfer of McKernan from South to Glenelg, while still playing League went by without any semblance of hysteria.

This is not about what is best for the SANFL, this is about giving the SANFL's major income providers, the two AFL clubs, their best opportunity for success, which in turn will generate more income.

I enjoy going to SANFL games and attend more than just games involving Port Adelaide. But the arguments mounted here and across the SANFL spectrum epitomise the NIMBY mentality that afflicts this state.

A pathological, almost hysterical aversion to change.

Bzzzz that's where ur wrong again the SANFL clubs will be voting on what's best for them and won't give a second thought to what's best for the AFL clubs

[areaman]

And yet the recent transfer of McKernan from South to Glenelg, while still playing League went by without any semblance of hysteria.

This is not about what is best for the SANFL, this is about giving the SANFL's major income providers, the two AFL clubs, their best opportunity for success, which in turn will generate more income.

I enjoy going to SANFL games and attend more than just games involving Port Adelaide. But the arguments mounted here and across the SANFL spectrum epitomise the NIMBY mentality that afflicts this state.

A pathological, almost hysterical aversion to change.

Bzzzz that's where ur wrong again the SANFL clubs will be voting on what's best for them and won't give a second thought to what's best for the AFL clubs

I think it's time for us to give up on this one, whufc. The penny clearly hasn't dropped and is unlikely to whilst the earth continues to rotate around the sun.

They need to outline a Win-Win outcome for all parties not the Win-Lose option they are currently advocating.

The total lack of answers to some fundamental questions indicates they don't wish to understand or contemplate anyone else's point of view.

It's not about the money - it's about the integrity and relevance of the SANFL competition. Yes, the league has taken a hit in recent years but to nearly all of us on this site it is still a very relevant competition. You may not agree - and that is fine - but understand that is why we don't agree with your proposal.

Until you begin to address that concern in a respectful and constructive manner then you won't get anyone taking you seriously.

[robranisgod]

Different scenario. The VFL, (formerly VFA) was never the premier competition in Victoria. Thus the crowds of now are pretty much similar to what they have always been.

Back in the heyday, (the age of relevance) Glenelg, Norwood, North etc. would regularly attract 10-15,000+ to a match. The likes of Box Hill or Port Melbourne could only dream of those numbers.

Not quite correct. Until the 1980s the VFA crowds weren't much inferior to the SANFL crowds and certainly much better than the current SANFL crowds.

For example, I know it was a Grand Final but in 1976 :
Port Melbourne 19.18.132 d Dandenong 10.15.75
Crowd: 32,317

Sure the VFA had a niche market in that they played on Sundays and the VFL were not allowed to, but until the advent of VFL Sunday football in the mid 190s Port Melbourne and WIlliamstown in particular drew crowds of 10,000-15,000 quite regularly.

[Jim05]

Different scenario. The VFL, (formerly VFA) was never the premier competition in Victoria. Thus the crowds of now are pretty much similar to what they have always been.

Really?

The old VFL (now AFL) was the premier competition.

The VFA was the premier comp from 1877 until clubs broke away and the VFL started in 1897

[SDK]

The Crows joining the SAAFL would need a name change because they are paid. No one in the SAAFL is paid !

[bulldogproud2]

Let the Power and Crows reserves form their own competition where they play each other every week. This keeps all the players at the same club, as the Power and Crows want. It also means that they are playing against comparable opposition every week and that the SANFL is not disrupted (apart from not having our Crows and Power players available).