Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby csbowes » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:47 pm

I hope I'm wrong, but I can't help but feel there is devil in the detail and that the SANFL commission is knowingly sacrificing the other 8 SANFL clubs in order to fix the Power...

You just have to listen to Leigh on the radio, Cornes, Rowey, it's all about the AFL, I don't think any of them really give a damn about the local comp, if it ends up being A1 amateurs, they won't mind as long as Port and the Crows are strong.

Is this just another nail in the coffin of the once great state league?
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby topsywaldron » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:10 pm

hereselmo1 wrote:I am sure all the other SANFL clubs will be happy with Centrals having a cap on spending too.


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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby Big Phil » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:17 pm

topsywaldron wrote:
hereselmo1 wrote:I am sure all the other SANFL clubs will be happy with Centrals having a cap on spending too.


What's a few DVD players amongst friends?


They're past that now Topsy, all 21 Premiership Players were presented with brand new iPads at the B&F last Saturday night :D
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby Barto » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:27 am

csbowes wrote:I hope I'm wrong, but I can't help but feel there is devil in the detail and that the SANFL commission is knowingly sacrificing the other 8 SANFL clubs in order to fix the Power...

You just have to listen to Leigh on the radio, Cornes, Rowey, it's all about the AFL, I don't think any of them really give a damn about the local comp, if it ends up being A1 amateurs, they won't mind as long as Port and the Crows are strong.

Is this just another nail in the coffin of the once great state league?



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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby X Runna » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:10 am

Hondo wrote:This is from the Port web:site

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6038/newsid/104588/default.aspx

What has changed since February?

A number of important things have changed since a merger was initially proposed by the two Port Adelaide clubs last February:
- The SANFL, Port Adelaide Football Club and Port Adelaide Magpies have worked together closely on this proposal and there is now a much more robust business case that underpins the model.
- There has been a significant increase in external corporate commitment and support for the united entity.
- There is also a much clearer understanding among the stakeholders of the business case and the benefits it would deliver for Port Adelaide and for South Australian football in general.

When those factors are combined, they present a compelling case for the change


I haven't understood what has made this new proposal so compelling compared to the last one that was thrown out and gives some explanation.

The SANFL have worked with them on the proposal so I guess they can't now knock it back as it's partly their proposal too. Anyone know about the "significant increase in external corporate commitment"? Who has stepped in here?


Excerpts from my post on another thread on 22nd January 2010. I'm not totally mad after all....... ;)
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nickname wrote:
Pseudo wrote:If and when the merged entity achieves positive cash flow and regular operating profits, i.e. when the club(s) are out of trouble, will the merger be reversed? Or will Port Magpies be allowed continued existence with its admin being propped up by the AFL dollar, thereby enjoying a clear advantage over the remaining teams? It's one thing to suggest a merger to save a club; it's another thing entirely to allow that club an advantage when it is no longer needed. Allowing this merger may well be opening Pandora's box, which club will be next?


Agreed Pseudo, though I would go further and say I don't think they should get the advantage of being propped up by the AFL dollar from day one.


Why would the situation be reversed, or need to be? It would only be putting the Magpies back in the same spot they are now. If the other 8 clubs are allowed to make a profit and improve their facilities, why shouldn't the Magpies be able to also? As other posters have alluded to, North don't know how to spend all their money & we all know the Dogs are going along beautifully. Location, location, location....those two clubs (North's income facility at least) have some form of 'remoteness', ie a big distance to the closest SANFL club, let alone West Lakes AND both have great LOCAL sponsors.

By the way a number of posts in this thread read, it seems a lot of people have the opinion this merger will greatly benefit the Magpies on field......I ask, how can it? The SANFL has become very rigid on the salary cap, so we are not going to be recruiting star 1st grade AFL players as the dollar demand would be massive. I am 99.999% sure there is no way the SANFL will allow all Power listed players to play for the Magpies either.

Port are looking here at saving money for both entities - I am pretty sure both clubs have been realistic in their attendance budgets. Neither would be expecting a massive rise in gate revenue & neither would be expecting a major increase in local sponsorship income for reasons explained in my earlier post. As it seems both clubs' gaming and dining revenue is not outstanding, and can only be tapped so far, it has now become a case of being stringent and smart with finances to make BOTH clubs viable. The Power can hardly prop up the Magpies "nickname", they are not the most financial of clubs as has been well documented.

The only other real benefit by the merger would be the 'value added' packages the new administration/marketing department could present to potential sponsors. Visual exposure by both clubs will certainly make potential local sponsors a bit keener I think. Again, a good thing..........the Power would potentially have a bigger dividend to the SANFL which therefore aids the SANFL clubs, and the Magpies would not be in a similar situation to where they are now, again, less demand on the SANFL.

The current Magpie board has been extremely transparent in their approach to the SANFL in this matter, as has the Power. The proposal under current consideration is obviously being looked at on it's merits by all other clubs bar the Roosters, therefore the context of it must be relatively sound and logical or it would not have gone this far.

Given the way the Magpies had to start from scratch with a new administration and the Power took volumes of our 1996 players to the AFL AND the fact we had no home or assets, I think the Magpies have done pretty well to go as long as they have. It now gets down to whether the other 8 clubs feel the need to have Port's presence or not. I think the credibility of the SANFL depends on it.......
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby TimmiesChin » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:03 am

csbowes wrote:I don't think any of them really give a damn about the local comp, if it ends up being A1 amateurs.


As it currently stands the 'local comp' is probably not sustainable.

By that I mean the clubs are spending more per season than the 'local comp' (sponsorship,gate receipts etc) is bringing in. They are being subsidised by the AFL sides.
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby sjt » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:44 am

TimmiesChin wrote:
csbowes wrote:I don't think any of them really give a damn about the local comp, if it ends up being A1 amateurs.


As it currently stands the 'local comp' is probably not sustainable.

By that I mean the clubs are spending more per season than the 'local comp' (sponsorship,gate receipts etc) is bringing in. They are being subsidised by the AFL sides.


How did you come to this conclusion TimmiesChin??
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby Apachebulldog » Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:51 am

Spot on bowsey they do not give a stuff about the SANFL its all about propping up the Power, in other words there must be behind the scenes discussions with the AFL, Whicker and his cronies are toadies they way its going the AFL will destroy all local footy in Australia oh sorry they all ready have, local footy is in its death throes, AFL is their to appease the brain dead masses and make millions of dollars shame shame shame AFL & SANFL I think the 9 clubs including Port should breakaway and form their own league and give the AFL & SANFL the flick.
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby on the rails » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:05 am

TimmiesChin wrote:
csbowes wrote:I don't think any of them really give a damn about the local comp, if it ends up being A1 amateurs.


As it currently stands the 'local comp' is probably not sustainable.

By that I mean the clubs are spending more per season than the 'local comp' (sponsorship,gate receipts etc) is bringing in. They are being subsidised by the AFL sides.


No clue have you? Seen the balance sheets of a few SANFL clubs - the AFL dividend whilst large would not put them out of business if it stopped.
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby sjt » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:20 am

on the rails wrote:
TimmiesChin wrote:
csbowes wrote:I don't think any of them really give a damn about the local comp, if it ends up being A1 amateurs.


As it currently stands the 'local comp' is probably not sustainable.

By that I mean the clubs are spending more per season than the 'local comp' (sponsorship,gate receipts etc) is bringing in. They are being subsidised by the AFL sides.


No clue have you? Seen the balance sheets of a few SANFL clubs - the AFL dividend whilst large would not put them out of business if it stopped.


I thought somewhat interestingly, even Port's income last year (which was marginally better than Norwood's -the lowest), was still about $220,000 better than the highest club income of 2001.
Further, SANFL distributions as a percentage of clubs total revenue has dropped to its lowest level this decade. The distribution used to account or contribute, to about 43% of average clubs revenue in 2001. Last year it was down to 27%. I think this is quite contradictary to your post, Timmieschin.
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby hereselmo1 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:49 pm

sjt wrote:
on the rails wrote:
TimmiesChin wrote:
csbowes wrote:I don't think any of them really give a damn about the local comp, if it ends up being A1 amateurs.


As it currently stands the 'local comp' is probably not sustainable.

By that I mean the clubs are spending more per season than the 'local comp' (sponsorship,gate receipts etc) is bringing in. They are being subsidised by the AFL sides.


No clue have you? Seen the balance sheets of a few SANFL clubs - the AFL dividend whilst large would not put them out of business if it stopped.


I thought somewhat interestingly, even Port's income last year (which was marginally better than Norwood's -the lowest), was still about $220,000 better than the highest club income of 2001.
Further, SANFL distributions as a percentage of clubs total revenue has dropped to its lowest level this decade. The distribution used to account or contribute, to about 43% of average clubs revenue in 2001. Last year it was down to 27%. I think this is quite contradictary to your post, Timmieschin.


I must be reading this wrong. Are you seriously suggesting that SANFL clubs 'as they currently stand' would be fine even if they lost 27% of their revenue? I know this is getting off topic but that just seems a ludicrous suggestion to me.
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby sjt » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:54 pm

No, you're reading it wrong.
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby once_were_warriors » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:55 pm

Football club 27% is about right

Football Club plus Social Club ( RE pokie venues) 8 - 10%

So the dividend received from the SANFL / Club is in the order of 450K.

Please bear in mind that this is effectively the rent the Crows and Power pay to play at Football Park.

Mind you the Power could go and fund their own stadium if they wish ( if they were allowed to).

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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby Royal City » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:32 pm

I must be reading this wrong. Are you seriously suggesting that SANFL clubs 'as they currently stand' would be fine even if they lost 27% of their revenue? I know this is getting off topic but that just seems a ludicrous suggestion to me.[/quote]


port provide $350k dividends a year to the sanfl . Which is 39k a year per club. I can seriously suggest a majority of sanfl clubs would survive without this token amount
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby Barto » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:38 pm

Royal City wrote:
port provide $350k dividends a year to the sanfl . Which is 39k a year per club. I can seriously suggest a majority of sanfl clubs would survive without this token amount



The SANFL clubs could cut back on junior development. When Power supporters say they want the SANFL to up and die, I'm sure they've got a plan B for getting new players into the AFL system. Haven't they?
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby beenreal » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:24 am

Love to know where Port supporters have said that Barto?

And the junior development program will ultimately prove to be the future core of the Magpies climb back up the ladder. Lots of good, young talent down at Magpie land, as you no doubt witnessed during the Reserves Grand Final.
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby Ian » Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:31 am

once_were_warriors wrote:Please bear in mind that this is effectively the rent the Crows and Power pay to play at Football Park.

Mind you the Power could go and fund their own stadium if they wish ( if they were allowed to).


Also the rent on their licence to play in the AFL
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby tipper » Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:53 am

Ian wrote:
once_were_warriors wrote:Please bear in mind that this is effectively the rent the Crows and Power pay to play at Football Park.

Mind you the Power could go and fund their own stadium if they wish ( if they were allowed to).


Also the rent on their licence to play in the AFL


Exactly. i dont see the problem with the sanfl clubs expecting to get a return on the investment the SANFL made with the afl licences. (and lets face it, the afl is a business)

if a company entered into a new venture, they can expect a reasonable return on the investment they made at the time, and then may rely on that return to continue their other operations.
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby hereselmo1 » Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:37 am

Barto wrote:The SANFL clubs could cut back on junior development. When Power supporters say they want the SANFL to up and die, I'm sure they've got a plan B for getting new players into the AFL system. Haven't they?


I have NEVER heard a Port supporter say that EVER. What a ridiculous comment.

As a Port supporter I am more than happy for us to keep providing funds to prop up the SANFL which I feel is an important competition and tradition.

What I would like to see is Port have more control over how we run our club and our license so we are not hamstrung when it comes to how we raise those funds and how we negotiate our stadium deal.
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Re: Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

Postby Hondo » Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:05 am

I have seen the sort of comments Barto is referring to. The ones I have seen are an idiot minority (aged about 12 IMO) that lurk on BigFooty on the Port board.

Maybe there's other sites too.

As far as I can tell it's a minority of Port posters. As many as I have seen call for the PAP and/or the PAM to die!!

I haven't looked for a while though!
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