Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

[The Sleeping Giant]

Okay. Year before was just over 200k I think.

I guess a couple of clubs would still rely on that dividend. Although most of the SANFL clubs could survive comfortably without the dividend.

[Psyber]

This debate is taking an interesting turn..

What was the contract in the original licensing arrangement between the enhanced VFL ["AFL"] and the SANFL?
Can the "AFL" revoke the licences to the SANFL without compensation or refunding the fees?
How much would they then want the Power and Crows to pay the "AFL" for them?
Could there be a bidding war with Tasmania or a private franchise?
Would the SANFL recreate the player retention scheme?

[on the rails]

I don't have any annual report in front of me, but what was the dividend to each club from the SANFL last year?

Around $425K from memory.

[on the rails]

Congrats to North Adelaide for snubbing any presentation from the magpie maggots. If only my club was so transparent. One hopes Port magpies die, the comp would be all the better for it.

Read the official NAFC website - the NAFC makes it points clear. It never snubbed / refused the presentation rather Port decided not to present initially to North when North's stance back last year was that they would not support any merger proposal of any sort original or diluted. In the end the Port presentation was delivered to the NAFC Board.

[Hondo]

on the rails:

Your sources didn't seem to let you know that they were planning to defer the vote to the SANFL commission. Are you sure you are getting fed the right story?

Or did things change overnight?

[TimmiesChin]

Congrats to North Adelaide for snubbing any presentation from the magpie maggots. If only my club was so transparent. One hopes Port magpies die, the comp would be all the better for it.

Read the official NAFC website - the NAFC makes it points clear. It never snubbed / refused the presentation rather Port decided not to present initially to North when North's stance back last year was that they would not support any merger proposal of any sort original or diluted. In the end the Port presentation was delivered to the NAFC Board.

Pity your president didnt come across as clear when he was on the radio a week or so ago. Came across as amatuer and bitter, arguing against the merger because of what was contained in a document he hadn't seen. Laughable.

[Booney]

Congrats to North Adelaide for snubbing any presentation from the magpie maggots. If only my club was so transparent. One hopes Port magpies die, the comp would be all the better for it.

Read the official NAFC website - the NAFC makes it points clear. It never snubbed / refused the presentation rather Port decided not to present initially to North when North's stance back last year was that they would not support any merger proposal of any sort original or diluted. In the end the Port presentation was delivered to the NAFC Board.

Not sure we can take either parties word on this one. Track record and all that.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Congrats to North Adelaide for snubbing any presentation from the magpie maggots. If only my club was so transparent. One hopes Port magpies die, the comp would be all the better for it.

Read the official NAFC website - the NAFC makes it points clear. It never snubbed / refused the presentation rather Port decided not to present initially to North when North's stance back last year was that they would not support any merger proposal of any sort original or diluted. In the end the Port presentation was delivered to the NAFC Board.

Pity your president didnt come across as clear when he was on the radio a week or so ago. Came across as amatuer and bitter, arguing against the merger because of what was contained in a document he hadn't seen. Laughable.

You must of missed reading about last years Board elections at North.

[Wedgie]

Congrats to North Adelaide for snubbing any presentation from the magpie maggots. If only my club was so transparent. One hopes Port magpies die, the comp would be all the better for it.

Read the official NAFC website - the NAFC makes it points clear. It never snubbed / refused the presentation rather Port decided not to present initially to North when North's stance back last year was that they would not support any merger proposal of any sort original or diluted. In the end the Port presentation was delivered to the NAFC Board.

Pity your president didnt come across as clear when he was on the radio a week or so ago. Came across as amatuer and bitter, arguing against the merger because of what was contained in a document he hadn't seen. Laughable.

Lol, Bohdan will never come across as clear on any matter, his speaking skills and ability to remain unflustered when discussing an issue are definately not his best assets!

[on the rails]

Congrats to North Adelaide for snubbing any presentation from the magpie maggots. If only my club was so transparent. One hopes Port magpies die, the comp would be all the better for it.

Read the official NAFC website - the NAFC makes it points clear. It never snubbed / refused the presentation rather Port decided not to present initially to North when North's stance back last year was that they would not support any merger proposal of any sort original or diluted. In the end the Port presentation was delivered to the NAFC Board.

Pity your president didnt come across as clear when he was on the radio a week or so ago. Came across as amatuer and bitter, arguing against the merger because of what was contained in a document he hadn't seen. Laughable.

He was on radio before the presentation to North on Tuesday 2nd Feb. Still didn't change North's stance though despite the fact the original proposal which was sent out in an initial dot point summary in Nov 2009 had changed substantially to the final version presented to the SANFL Clubs.

As others have said - public speaking and debating issues are not Bohdan's strong points!

[Barto]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 814053.htm

Treasurer Kevin Foley says the South Australian Government will not be giving any financial help to the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club.

But he has appealed to other SANFL clubs to put emotion aside and approve a proposed merger of the Power and the Magpies.

They are putting emotion aside, it's purely about how it affects their club. Good to see the treasurer is another paranoid "they're out to get us" type.

[TimmiesChin]

Lol, Bohdan will never come across as clear on any matter, his speaking skills and ability to remain unflustered when discussing an issue are definately not his best assets!

OK - I can buy that, not everyone is blessed with the gab.

What I took out of that interview was he was against the proposal because it would give the clubs an unfair advantage, but when questioned as to how he said he didnt know because he hadnt seen the proposal.

Hence he was against a proposal but didnt know why because he hadnt read it.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Wasn't there a proposal sent to the clubs last year?

[Squawk]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/09/2814053.htm
Mr Foley will speak at a meeting of the clubs at Football Park about the proposed business deal.

The Treasurer says he will be there as a passionate Magpies supporter rather than representing the Government.



Does this mean that any other passionate supporters can also attend the meeting?

[rod_rooster]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/09/2814053.htm
Mr Foley will speak at a meeting of the clubs at Football Park about the proposed business deal.

The Treasurer says he will be there as a passionate Magpies supporter rather than representing the Government.



Does this mean that any other passionate supporters can also attend the meeting?

Get to many games does he? Serious question because maybe he does. I doubt it though. Perhaps the cheersquad should be allowed to attend the meeting instead

[Dutchy]

Foley - "The Magpies have to be with us, they're an institution and too many of us love them passionately to see them go."

Well get off your butts and work thru the financial trouble just like any other club. Just like any club they have some expert business people as members/supporters, use this resource just like other clubs have to maintain the club.

Its the "throw the skirts over the head, we are dead" mentality that is very frustrating in all this.

[Ronnie]

Foley - "The Magpies have to be with us, they're an institution and too many of us love them passionately to see them go."

Well get off your butts and work thru the financial trouble just like any other club. Just like any club they have some expert business people as members/supporters, use this resource just like other clubs have to maintain the club.

Its the "throw the skirts over the head, we are dead" mentality that is very frustrating in all this.

and what will Foley add to the debate, a bit of emotional blackmail by the sounds of it, just what is needed.
He should keep out of it but of course he can't help himself.

[on the rails]

Foley - "The Magpies have to be with us, they're an institution and too many of us love them passionately to see them go."

Well get off your butts and work thru the financial trouble just like any other club. Just like any club they have some expert business people as members/supporters, use this resource just like other clubs have to maintain the club.

Its the "throw the skirts over the head, we are dead" mentality that is very frustrating in all this.

and what will Foley add to the debate, a bit of emotional blackmail by the sounds of it, just what is needed.
He should keep out of it but of course he can't help himself.

Which of his "personalities" is speaking this time?

[sjt]

If it's all about the Prince of Wales why don't the two parties come to some commercial arrangement? A profit share joint venture type scenario. This is done all the time with mining companies (as an example) with "farm in" agreements.
If they share admin. facilities or staff to cut costs, then this obviously gives the Magpies an unfair advantage over the other SANFL clubs, that would have greater fixed costs. If this were the case the other clubs should get reimbursed the difference in admin. expenses.
Unfortunately with the past runs on the board (Gilligan, Lockwood, Surjan to name a few) I don't trust their football departments, not gaining an advantage. Along the lines of, play for the Magpies and you have more chance of being picked up by the Power. This also happened when the Power were about to join the AFL, many Magpies players were told they'd get contracts with the Power if they stayed at the Magpies. Or drafting, rookie listing Magpie players thus increasing player income from the AFL and allowing more to be spent on non-listed players.
I hope they stay despite my dislike for the club. But come up with a plan B!
Call me paranoid but rather paranoid, than being a fool for not learning from history.

[Country Cousin]

Foley - "The Magpies have to be with us, they're an institution and too many of us love them passionately to see them go."

Well get off your butts and work thru the financial trouble just like any other club. Just like any club they have some expert business people as members/supporters, use this resource just like other clubs have to maintain the club.

Its the "throw the skirts over the head, we are dead" mentality that is very frustrating in all this.

and what will Foley add to the debate, a bit of emotional blackmail by the sounds of it, just what is needed.
He should keep out of it but of course he can't help himself.

I agree with both of these posts. The line that it's either, become a subsidiary of an AFL franchise or give up and shut the doors, is both counter productive and a bit of emotional blackmail. Mr Foley's intervention looks very much like using his position as a bully. Something he's known for and which may well backfire. If I were a delegate from one of the other SANFL clubs, I'd be strongly offended at his thinly veiled suggestion that my opposition to this AFL takeover was based on some kind of cheap vengeance. That's patently ridiculous and an insult to those people making the decisions.