AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Ecky]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-rejects-nathan-bassett-compromise-on-afl-reserves-in-sanfl/story-fnii0294-1226689736850

Bassett's idea from a while back rejected by Trigg. As per the first comment made by a reader, Trigg fears that club's wont take the games seriously and winning wont be a priority. This is the same fear most of us on here have of the "Ravens" in the league comp, especially as the season winds down and injuries mount.

Credit to Bassett for not rolling over like most ex-crows.

If the Crows join the SAAFL will these games count towards their premiership/ladder?

Is a "serious" game in the amateur league really better for the Crows development than a game in the SANFL that may not be taken seriously by SANFL clubs?

[Apachebulldog]

This is a great comment i spotted in the Adelaide Now site its so true

Melbourne, St Kilda and WB have reserves affiliates, not sure it has done them much good. In fact, considering StK and WB falls from the top part of the ladder in recent years you could well argue they do nothing for an AFL club. There is no proof to show that reserves teams or affiliates provides a better outcome than AFL players spread democratically (ie. either raised by the club or fairly allocated to a club through a mini draft) across a whole competition, playing with and against experienced players and training with their AFL team during the week. As of today, based on facts, it's a want and not a need, and it's not a good enough reason to trample on the history and future of the SANFL competition. KT and Kochie forget about the PR and BS'ing us into submission and get that into your heads.

[heater31]

Western Bulldogs will have their own side next year....

[saintal]

I speak occasionally with a bloke who does some local talent scouting for a Victorian AFL club. His view is that the current SANFL arrangement is more beneficial than the VFL set up. Makes the younger players “grow up” quicker, taking them out of their comfort zone a little and the cacoon of the AFL world. They can benefit from a fresh set of ideas and methods through their SANFL coaches and senior players at that club. They are involved in a club whose number one desire is to win, and if this means that player is shifted from his usual position to plug a gap elsewhere on the field for a quarter or half so be it. And if they’re not getting a kick they’ll be playing magoos before they know it.

[areaman]

From the Eagles CEO today:

Dear members, I am certain that you have all been keeping a watchful eye over the information around the AFL Reserves debate. As you are aware, there have been several meetings comprising the SANFL, League Commissioners, League Directors and Club Chief Executives over the past 2 months.

As a result of these meetings, the Woodville West Torrens Football Club is now progressing towards making a decision in the interest of SANFL and more importantly our club. All member are invited to a member’s only forum at the Eagles football Club in the downstairs bar at 7.45pm on Thursday 8 August 2013.

This will be your opportunity to listen to and ask questions of the club via our League Director in relation to this issue.

[RB]

I speak occasionally with a bloke who does some local talent scouting for a Victorian AFL club. His view is that the current SANFL arrangement is more beneficial than the VFL set up. Makes the younger players “grow up” quicker, taking them out of their comfort zone a little and the cacoon of the AFL world. They can benefit from a fresh set of ideas and methods through their SANFL coaches and senior players at that club. They are involved in a club whose number one desire is to win, and if this means that player is shifted from his usual position to plug a gap elsewhere on the field for a quarter or half so be it. And if they’re not getting a kick they’ll be playing magoos before they know it.

I was listening to a commentator (I think Liam Pickering) in the Power/Brisbane game on Sunday talk about how it's interesting that rookie players from the SANFL and WAFL tend to become first team regulars in their first AFL season in greater numbers than draftees from Victoria, where they generally play only in an under 18s league I think before getting drafted. I was thinking to myself, well duh, playing league footy against men is always going to be better prep than playing in a junior development side.

[PhilH]

The thing with the kids is you can expose them to this physical league level for a time that suits,
then bring them back to Reserves.

With the Crows proposal their new draftees will cop the physical punishment every week with no respite .... sink or swim. After all how many draftees at least start at SANFL reserves level?

[heater31]

The thing with the kids is you can expose them to this physical league level for a time that suits,
then bring them back to Reserves.

With the Crows proposal their new draftees will cop the physical punishment every week with no respite .... sink or swim. After all how many draftees at least start at SANFL reserves level?

Crows have 5 players lining up in the 2's this weekend.

[GrandOldFlag]

$40,000 each club for a year is an insult.
Thats only $360,000 total which in todays world is nothing.

The SANFL then possibly has to pay Ch7 $1,000,000. So the SANFL is already $600,000 behind unless they can get sponsorship to cover it.

I still dont like salary cap going down (it should go up) or the 18 game season (which will probably have our GF on AFL Prelim weekend and never near the public holiday monday).

If there are financial benefits (which need to take into account less SANFL supporters attending and buying memberships) then I'd like to see the figures.

[Booney]

$40,000 each club for a year is an insult.

If this is an accurate figure it just goes to show how desperate some clubs are for money because there is NO WAY the clubs are letting Adelaide in because they "think it will make the competition better".

It's also laughable to think Adelaide truly believe playing a team in the amatuer competition is of more benefit than the current set up.

Excellent work by Koch and Thomas to sit back and watch this shit fall to pieces.

[Aerie]

From the Eagles CEO today:

Dear members, I am certain that you have all been keeping a watchful eye over the information around the AFL Reserves debate. As you are aware, there have been several meetings comprising the SANFL, League Commissioners, League Directors and Club Chief Executives over the past 2 months.

As a result of these meetings, the Woodville West Torrens Football Club is now progressing towards making a decision in the interest of SANFL and more importantly our club. All member are invited to a member’s only forum at the Eagles football Club in the downstairs bar at 7.45pm on Thursday 8 August 2013.

This will be your opportunity to listen to and ask questions of the club via our League Director in relation to this issue.

Excellent. I'm glad.

[CUTTERMAN]

$40,000 each club for a year is an insult.

If this is an accurate figure it just goes to show how desperate some clubs are for money because there is NO WAY the clubs are letting Adelaide in because they "think it will make the competition better".

It's also laughable to think Adelaide truly believe playing a team in the amatuer competition is of more benefit than the current set up.

Excellent work by Koch and Thomas to sit back and watch this shit fall to pieces.

To quote your feckless leader The Pied Piper of Port Adelaide.
"Why? But why? Why can't we? Why? But why"
Yep sitting back while putting forward a "great" argument of WHY?????

[zipzap]

From the Eagles CEO today:

Dear members, I am certain that you have all been keeping a watchful eye over the information around the AFL Reserves debate. As you are aware, there have been several meetings comprising the SANFL, League Commissioners, League Directors and Club Chief Executives over the past 2 months.

As a result of these meetings, the Woodville West Torrens Football Club is now progressing towards making a decision in the interest of SANFL and more importantly our club. All member are invited to a member’s only forum at the Eagles football Club in the downstairs bar at 7.45pm on Thursday 8 August 2013.

This will be your opportunity to listen to and ask questions of the club via our League Director in relation to this issue.

I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of that guy!

[Jimmy]

if each club is getting the reported $40k a year (how's that figure going to save clubs like Sturt & West) from the fruit tingles, who's giving channel 7 the $1 million?

The $40k will cover 3 months of interest on Sturt's current debt, how that will help them is beyond me, especially if members walk...

And us members have let Matt know this....there is only one choice for the long term future of the club.

[UK Fan]

Now that the individuals have been seperated from the herd.

The wolves will now start their frontal attack

[SDK]

Stay with what you have Westies $40,000 a year and 50% loss of supporters/spectators won't help you much.

[Sky Pilot]

What's wrong with just leaving the SANFL alone. It seems to have worked ok for more than 100 years.

[Aerie]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-rejects-nathan-bassett-compromise-on-afl-reserves-in-sanfl/story-fnii0294-1226689736850

Bassett's idea from a while back rejected by Trigg. As per the first comment made by a reader, Trigg fears that club's wont take the games seriously and winning wont be a priority. This is the same fear most of us on here have of the "Ravens" in the league comp, especially as the season winds down and injuries mount.

Credit to Bassett for not rolling over like most ex-crows.

If the Crows join the SAAFL will these games count towards their premiership/ladder?

Is a "serious" game in the amateur league really better for the Crows development than a game in the SANFL that may not be taken seriously by SANFL clubs?

You could trial this for one year. SANFL clubs forego their guaranteed $40,000 per year dividend and instead play the Crows twice with $20k on the line. Winner keeps all. SANFL clubs that need the money will want to win (most, if not all of them), the Crows don't lose out financially (they could be better off if they win games) and most importantly the competition is basically left as it is now with more time to decide on the Reserves issue.

Obviously wouldn't work with Port as a Reserves team as well because there'd be too many of these games, but with just the Crows next year you'd only be replacing the bye which wouldn't be such a big deal. Then there is another year to decide on what really needs to happen before they go and make the SANFL competition farcical with a Reserves team playing for an SANFL Premiership.

[dedja]

Just simply tell the Crows to faark off ... end of story.

[RB]

What's wrong with just leaving the SANFL alone. It seems to have worked ok for more than 100 years.

Correct. 136 years by my count.

Just simply tell the Crows to faark off ... end of story.

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