National 2nd Tier Competiton Discussion

[whufc]

Channel Nine news has just announced that the three SANFL clubs have advised Football & Corporate Operations Chief Officer, Darren Chandler, they do NOT wish to participate in this competition.

Like i said many posts ago, i will go watch them anywhere BUT i would be very surprised if Central shown any interest in this.

[Aerie]

Channel Nine news has just announced that the three SANFL clubs have advised Football & Corporate Operations Chief Officer, Darren Chandler, they do NOT wish to participate in this competition.

Would be interested to hear the "for and against" reasons from all parties (SANFL, SA Clubs, AFL, Foxtel etc.). If this competition was promised to be televised on Foxtel and expenses were all paid for, then surely this would be a fantastic opportunity to promote the club to a national audience and more importantly from an Eagles point of view, gain an upper hand on the six clubs that are missing out by having an opportunity to capture the attention of a youngster watching footy on fox and gaining his/her support.

If it was seriously jeopardising performance then you just send your best U/18's and the reserve players along with any that need the match practice.

[cennals05]

Channel Nine news has just announced that the three SANFL clubs have advised Football & Corporate Operations Chief Officer, Darren Chandler, they do NOT wish to participate in this competition.

Would be interested to hear the "for and against" reasons from all parties (SANFL, SA Clubs, AFL, Foxtel etc.). If this competition was promised to be televised on Foxtel and expenses were all paid for, then surely this would be a fantastic opportunity to promote the club to a national audience and more importantly from an Eagles point of view, gain an upper hand on the six clubs that are missing out by having an opportunity to capture the attention of a youngster watching footy on fox and gaining his/her support.

If it was seriously jeopardising performance then you just send your best U/18's and the reserve players along with any that need the match practice.

There were 3 reasons why the clubs didn't want to participate.

1. Thought it would impact their chances to win the SANFL premiership
2. The prize money wasn't enough.
3. They were concerned the competition was just being used to give exposure to GWS.

[am Bays]

Channel Nine news has just announced that the three SANFL clubs have advised Football & Corporate Operations Chief Officer, Darren Chandler, they do NOT wish to participate in this competition.

Would be interested to hear the "for and against" reasons from all parties (SANFL, SA Clubs, AFL, Foxtel etc.). If this competition was promised to be televised on Foxtel and expenses were all paid for, then surely this would be a fantastic opportunity to promote the club to a national audience and more importantly from an Eagles point of view, gain an upper hand on the six clubs that are missing out by having an opportunity to capture the attention of a youngster watching footy on fox and gaining his/her support.

If it was seriously jeopardising performance then you just send your best U/18's and the reserve players along with any that need the match practice.

There were 3 reasons why the clubs didn't want to participate.

1. Thought it would impact their chances to win the SANFL premiership
2. The prize money wasn't enough.
3. They were concerned the competition was just being used to give exposure to GWS.

Given the three SANFL clubs are all due to play sides from the QAFL/ACTAFL/SAFL we could have North, Port and South as our three teams and they'd all make the 2nd round

[whufc]

Channel Nine news has just announced that the three SANFL clubs have advised Football & Corporate Operations Chief Officer, Darren Chandler, they do NOT wish to participate in this competition.

Would be interested to hear the "for and against" reasons from all parties (SANFL, SA Clubs, AFL, Foxtel etc.). If this competition was promised to be televised on Foxtel and expenses were all paid for, then surely this would be a fantastic opportunity to promote the club to a national audience and more importantly from an Eagles point of view, gain an upper hand on the six clubs that are missing out by having an opportunity to capture the attention of a youngster watching footy on fox and gaining his/her support.

If it was seriously jeopardising performance then you just send your best U/18's and the reserve players along with any that need the match practice.

Not having a go mate i continously here this as a reason for the comp.

I just dont get it, would it benefit to the Eagles would it be to have blokes in Broome watching the Eagles, there not going to attend games, take out memberships, put money over the bar.

There would be the national exposure for the sponsors but in Central case Holden is already a well known company.

Its not really going to help get players especially if other clubs are willing to pay overs for the player you are after.

[Aerie]

Channel Nine news has just announced that the three SANFL clubs have advised Football & Corporate Operations Chief Officer, Darren Chandler, they do NOT wish to participate in this competition.

Would be interested to hear the "for and against" reasons from all parties (SANFL, SA Clubs, AFL, Foxtel etc.). If this competition was promised to be televised on Foxtel and expenses were all paid for, then surely this would be a fantastic opportunity to promote the club to a national audience and more importantly from an Eagles point of view, gain an upper hand on the six clubs that are missing out by having an opportunity to capture the attention of a youngster watching footy on fox and gaining his/her support.

If it was seriously jeopardising performance then you just send your best U/18's and the reserve players along with any that need the match practice.

There were 3 reasons why the clubs didn't want to participate.

1. Thought it would impact their chances to win the SANFL premiership
2. The prize money wasn't enough.
3. They were concerned the competition was just being used to give exposure to GWS.

I understand number 1 being the main deterrent. However I think it is short sighted to think the competition was just being used to give exposure to GWS - surely any exposure is good exposure.

[Aerie]

Channel Nine news has just announced that the three SANFL clubs have advised Football & Corporate Operations Chief Officer, Darren Chandler, they do NOT wish to participate in this competition.

Would be interested to hear the "for and against" reasons from all parties (SANFL, SA Clubs, AFL, Foxtel etc.). If this competition was promised to be televised on Foxtel and expenses were all paid for, then surely this would be a fantastic opportunity to promote the club to a national audience and more importantly from an Eagles point of view, gain an upper hand on the six clubs that are missing out by having an opportunity to capture the attention of a youngster watching footy on fox and gaining his/her support.

If it was seriously jeopardising performance then you just send your best U/18's and the reserve players along with any that need the match practice.

Not having a go mate i continously here this as a reason for the comp.

I just dont get it, would it benefit to the Eagles would it be to have blokes in Broome watching the Eagles, there not going to attend games, take out memberships, put money over the bar.

There would be the national exposure for the sponsors but in Central case Holden is already a well known company.

Its not really going to help get players especially if other clubs are willing to pay overs for the player you are after.

Fair point. I think in the Eagles case it would be more those people following the comp in Adelaide that would get behind one of the SA sides (hopefully WWT) if they got to the latter stages of the competition and with that potentially gain more continual support. I understand there not being a lot of reason for Central to be interested, but I would think Norwood and in particular the Eagles, with their small supporter base, would stand to gain something from it.

[whufc]

Channel Nine news has just announced that the three SANFL clubs have advised Football & Corporate Operations Chief Officer, Darren Chandler, they do NOT wish to participate in this competition.

Would be interested to hear the "for and against" reasons from all parties (SANFL, SA Clubs, AFL, Foxtel etc.). If this competition was promised to be televised on Foxtel and expenses were all paid for, then surely this would be a fantastic opportunity to promote the club to a national audience and more importantly from an Eagles point of view, gain an upper hand on the six clubs that are missing out by having an opportunity to capture the attention of a youngster watching footy on fox and gaining his/her support.

If it was seriously jeopardising performance then you just send your best U/18's and the reserve players along with any that need the match practice.

Not having a go mate i continously here this as a reason for the comp.

I just dont get it, would it benefit to the Eagles would it be to have blokes in Broome watching the Eagles, there not going to attend games, take out memberships, put money over the bar.

There would be the national exposure for the sponsors but in Central case Holden is already a well known company.

Its not really going to help get players especially if other clubs are willing to pay overs for the player you are after.

Fair point. I think in the Eagles case it would be more those people following the comp in Adelaide that would get behind one of the SA sides (hopefully WWT) if they got to the latter stages of the competition and with that potentially gain more continual support. I understand there not being a lot of reason for Central to be interested, but I would think Norwood and in particular the Eagles, with their small supporter base, would stand to gain something from it.

Yeah agree, playing games as curtain raisers in Adelaide would probably be a good thing especailly for the Eagles, it may be enough encouragement to get some of the older supporters back to the Eags and may make younger crows fans aware of the exsistent.

Definatly can see the benefit in that for the Eagles.

[sjt]

Channel Nine news has just announced that the three SANFL clubs have advised Football & Corporate Operations Chief Officer, Darren Chandler, they do NOT wish to participate in this competition.

Would be interested to hear the "for and against" reasons from all parties (SANFL, SA Clubs, AFL, Foxtel etc.). If this competition was promised to be televised on Foxtel and expenses were all paid for, then surely this would be a fantastic opportunity to promote the club to a national audience and more importantly from an Eagles point of view, gain an upper hand on the six clubs that are missing out by having an opportunity to capture the attention of a youngster watching footy on fox and gaining his/her support.

If it was seriously jeopardising performance then you just send your best U/18's and the reserve players along with any that need the match practice.

There were 3 reasons why the clubs didn't want to participate.

1. Thought it would impact their chances to win the SANFL premiership
2. The prize money wasn't enough.
3. They were concerned the competition was just being used to give exposure to GWS.

If it's true the winner would only get $40,000, then it's a joke. They can pay a rugby player $1million, but a whole team gets $40,000 for winning a comp. P*** off AFL. It's probably a tenth of a Demitriou bonus if it goes ahead.

[PhilH]

At least I understand now it it fits in time wisen on a Saturday.

By Foxtel broadcasting in a 1 hour / 30 minute delay it allows them to miss the mandatory warm up time for the evening AFL game.

Still means these "curtain raisers" will be finished well before the evening game.

Be interesting to see if Foxtel are covering the costs and it will be delayed whether live radio coverage will be allowed.

A 4.15pm start will mean there will be a 15-20 minute crossover of the 1st quarter of the champions league with the last quarter of the traditional Saturday afternoon games.

[Sojourner]

Hopefully this does not knock the competition on the head, its a pity that we are placed in a position where the benefit has to be for the specific club and not the SANFL competition in general, winning this competition would give the SANFL much needed media exposure and put the SANFL competition into a position of having a massive amount of promotion and the opportunity to get new people interested in it.

Hopefully they continue to move down the list of SANFL clubs until they find some that are willing to give it a go and to see it go ahead anyway. Would be absolutley stoked to go and see South play at the MCG or Ethiad next season!

[Hazydog]

I can understand the clubs concerns with potentially having to play on the weekend of all of their byes which could certainly hand an advantage to those who didnt, however I would be interested in knowing how hard they looked at alternative ideas to work around it.

Surely there could be a way to make this work with a bit of give and take?

As for promoting the clubs WHUFC, without knowing for sure I would have thought the ratio of the average 8-12 year old watching Foxtel as opposed to the ABC, would have been about 10 -1 (sadly), so it could be a good way of exposing SANFL teams to those families who exclusively watch the AFL and wouldnt turn to Aunty in a fit.

$40 or $50 grand would have nearly tripled Centrals profit based on the annual report I received today, (assuming all costs were covered as previously reported.)

As for concerns about promoting GWS (if there is any substance to this) - well thats the kind of mentality the SANFL had circa 1990 - and we all know what happened around then.

I just hope this joint announcement from the clubs is part of a plan to force the SANFL into meeting some of their requirements in order to participate and I'm probably going off half cocked here, not knowing all the facts - but I fear we may be missing a chance to join the 21st century.

The next couple of weeks might be quite interesting!

[Mr Fuller]

Channel Nine news has just announced that the three SANFL clubs have advised Football & Corporate Operations Chief Officer, Darren Chandler, they do NOT wish to participate in this competition.

Would be interested to hear the "for and against" reasons from all parties (SANFL, SA Clubs, AFL, Foxtel etc.). If this competition was promised to be televised on Foxtel and expenses were all paid for, then surely this would be a fantastic opportunity to promote the club to a national audience and more importantly from an Eagles point of view, gain an upper hand on the six clubs that are missing out by having an opportunity to capture the attention of a youngster watching footy on fox and gaining his/her support.

If it was seriously jeopardising performance then you just send your best U/18's and the reserve players along with any that need the match practice.

U18s would be all we need to smash the opposition. Seriously WWT vs the East Coast Eagles??? Our juniors would destroy them. In fact the only teams that might get close to a full strength Norwood/Centrals/Eagles might be a VFL team and I would still predit a 10 goal loss.

[twosheds]

Channel Nine news has just announced that the three SANFL clubs have advised Football & Corporate Operations Chief Officer, Darren Chandler, they do NOT wish to participate in this competition.

Would be interested to hear the "for and against" reasons from all parties (SANFL, SA Clubs, AFL, Foxtel etc.). If this competition was promised to be televised on Foxtel and expenses were all paid for, then surely this would be a fantastic opportunity to promote the club to a national audience and more importantly from an Eagles point of view, gain an upper hand on the six clubs that are missing out by having an opportunity to capture the attention of a youngster watching footy on fox and gaining his/her support.

If it was seriously jeopardising performance then you just send your best U/18's and the reserve players along with any that need the match practice.

Doesnt that make it a farce (or more of a farce) then ?

[dogs01]

I cant believe that clubs are so wrapped up in BYES these days. Wasnt it not so long ago that they were looking to get an extra team in the SANFL so we could get rid of the bye.
The AFL dont have BYES(until next year), and not so long ago niether did the SANFL. If guys are fit play them, surely the more football you play during the year can only benefit you come finals time.

[Sojourner]

U18s would be all we need to smash the opposition. Seriously WWT vs the East Coast Eagles??? Our juniors would destroy them. In fact the only teams that might get close to a full strength Norwood/Centrals/Eagles might be a VFL team and I would still predit a 10 goal loss.

Clearly the sides out of WA must really be frightened of playing the best players in the SANFL - Even Tasmania with a minority population compared to SA flogged the SANFL last time they played!

Match Scores
WAFL 3.0 7.4 7.7 12.10 (82)
SANFL 4.3 5.4 8.8 12.9 (81)

[JamesH]

I dont have a problem with a league of champions...but this one is a joke.

Clubs should get home games.......so they can actually make some money. Play meaningful games...not against teams from sydney or GWS...If there isnt a contest no one will turn up. people want to see CD play Subiaco or Swan Districts, WWT play Claremont ect.....

If no one has heard of the teams who will tune in on TV. Labrador, East Coast Eagles & Ainslie will be lambs to the slaughter - if SANFL clubs take it seriously they could break highest score records.

I would propose something more along the lines of

SA 1 v Tas
WA 1 v VFL2
SA 2 v WA2
VFL 1 v ACT

[Wedgie]

They should have had the Bulldogs v Labrador!
Maybe they were worried it might get a little ruff.

[JK]

Hopefully this does not knock the competition on the head, its a pity that we are placed in a position where the benefit has to be for the specific club and not the SANFL competition in general, winning this competition would give the SANFL much needed media exposure and put the SANFL competition into a position of having a massive amount of promotion and the opportunity to get new people interested in it.

Hopefully they continue to move down the list of SANFL clubs until they find some that are willing to give it a go and to see it go ahead anyway. Would be absolutley stoked to go and see South play at the MCG or Ethiad next season!

Unfortunately the way it's currently structured means that all the benefit should go to the specific clubs, because they are the ones taking all of the risk.

Better structured, I agree it would be great to see the competition in general rewarded.

[Mr Fuller]

U18s would be all we need to smash the opposition. Seriously WWT vs the East Coast Eagles??? Our juniors would destroy them. In fact the only teams that might get close to a full strength Norwood/Centrals/Eagles might be a VFL team and I would still predit a 10 goal loss.

Clearly the sides out of WA must really be frightened of playing the best players in the SANFL - Even Tasmania with a minority population compared to SA flogged the SANFL last time they played!

Match Scores
WAFL 3.0 7.4 7.7 12.10 (82)
SANFL 4.3 5.4 8.8 12.9 (81)

The difference is that the other competitions lack depth. A state team draws the best couple of players from each club into the team so it hides the quality of the rest of the competiton.

The best players in the WAFL/VFL may be comparable against the SANFL but quality dies off much quicker than it does in the SANFL. I have lived in WA for 4 years and noticed this was the biggest contrast.

So yes you would find that if a team like Centrals is being serious that they would smash their opponents in other competitions.