Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby drebin » Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:22 am

Just remember Ian, smac is always right - just ask him he will tell you!
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby MightyEagles » Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:25 am

hondo71 wrote:Is everyone arguing on the same side as their club's official position on the issue :-k

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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby TigerBoss » Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:30 am

Good debates in this thread...

I still won't change my mind...the 17s and 19s comp, particularly from a GFC perspective, were fine and strong as they were...
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby oldwiseman » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:59 pm

Was at broadspectum yesterday watching the 17s and 19s and I reckon there would 40 kids on that oval in both games that will be lost to SANFL footy next season. I tried to look at the 1992 born kids and realistically only 2 or 3 would be good enough from what I saw for an U/18 comp. Admittedly they are lower middle of the road in standard but from what I saw it makes no sense. Then there were probably another 20 that were in the 19's game in the same boat. And my club voted for it.
Another thing is what happens to the 16 and 18 scholarship squads. I presume that structure changes as well. These so called centre of excellences are only as good as the clubs themselves and that is a worry in itself.
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby whatever » Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:16 pm

Hopefully the clubs get enough money to get a coach for $30k per year plus enough to fund both country and city development squads.

I fear a lot of clubs will try and direct the money to the seniors rather than spending it on development.

I can just see Player x getting delisted by an AFL club and being paid $50k to work in development instead of being paid
$50k to play. It then falls outside the salary cap, he spends a few nights watching the kids and that is it.

Mind you I think the clubs could have acheived a lot with the extra funding under the current format.

Helbig, Pelle would have been 2 of the 1992 boys that showed a bit at a guess.
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby smac » Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:18 pm

Ian wrote:smac,

the way I read redandblack's post, he wasn't having a go "outside the topic", he was having a go at centrals for starting a scare campain in the media, not accepting the majority decision, and having a dummy spit and not turning up to the luncheon at Prospect.

Except for where he brought up the salary cap, which is completely off topic and unlike R&B to do that.
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby smac » Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:18 pm

drebin wrote:Just remember Ian, smac is always right - just ask him he will tell you!

My ex-wife moved on quicker than you mate. :?
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby whatever » Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:22 pm

smac wrote:
drebin wrote:Just remember Ian, smac is always right - just ask him he will tell you!

My ex-wife moved on quicker than you mate. :?


So I guess smac is like the rest of us
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby redandblack » Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:51 pm

oldwiseman wrote:Was at broadspectum yesterday watching the 17s and 19s and I reckon there would 40 kids on that oval in both games that will be lost to SANFL footy next season. I tried to look at the 1992 born kids and realistically only 2 or 3 would be good enough from what I saw for an U/18 comp. Admittedly they are lower middle of the road in standard but from what I saw it makes no sense. Then there were probably another 20 that were in the 19's game in the same boat. And my club voted for it.
Another thing is what happens to the 16 and 18 scholarship squads. I presume that structure changes as well. These so called centre of excellences are only as good as the clubs themselves and that is a worry in itself.


40 kids from the day's football you saw yesterday would have been 'lost' to SANFl footy under the current system.

60% of players in Under 17's currently don't make it to Under 19's, and there's another big loss to Reserves.

I have difficulty in this fear of players being 'lost' to SANFL. They're lost because they're not good enough. you'll get the exceptions under any system. Football in general might be better off, as local and country clubs in particular will retain those juniors not quite up to SANFL standard.

I bet you won't hear too many complaints from country and metro leagues.

No system is perfect, but there haven't been many good arguments against this, except for a general feeling of loss of the traditional, which is completely understandable.
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby whatever » Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:11 pm

likewise I have not heard any pros for the change other than the money

i keep hearing elite under 18's but i cant see how under 18's will be of a higher standard than the under 19's

one thing for sure is wa colts are not as strong as SA under 19's
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby redandblack » Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:54 pm

Just for interest, I've been informed that the 6 under 19 players allowed don't have to be chosen from the same 6 players each week.

That would give Clubs more than enough room to look after late developing players, I would think.
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby Dirko » Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:10 pm

redandblack wrote:Just for interest, I've been informed that the 6 under 19 players allowed don't have to be chosen from the same 6 players each week.

That would give Clubs more than enough room to look after late developing players, I would think.


So where would they play if not chosen for the U18's ? Reserves ?

So theoretically a club can have 20, U19 players in the reserves and drop any 6 down to U18's in a given week ?
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby redandblack » Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:17 pm

Theoretically yes, but it's highly unlikely.

The thing that some critics miss with this is that there is an over-riding priority and that is each Club's development of the players they see as worth developing. Unless some critics think their Clubs don't know what they're doing, then each Club will very carefully choose their list and, in the same way they would pick any team, will 'promote' or omit players as they see fit for the long-term benefit of their Club.

This provision really puts to rest the idea that some players will be lost to SANFL. If they haven't made it under the current system by age 19, they have to play Reserves or nothing. This gives plenty of room to look after late developing players.
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby Ian » Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:28 pm

SJABC wrote:
So where would they play if not chosen for the U18's ? Reserves ?



Back at their local club (or college side), just as it happens now. Surely you don't think that those not picked to play U17's/U19's sit on the side lines each week now?
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby Aerie » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:01 am

I tried to do a quick search, but no luck - I'm sure spelly has it somewhere. Is there a list of premiers for the U/17 and U/19 competitions and what structures has the junior comp had over the years?
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby spell_check » Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:30 pm

The list of all the 19s and 17s premierships are here:

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=14175

The competitions were known as the Senior and Junior Colts from their inception until about 1960 I think.

From a Budget in 1958, it said the Senior Colts players had to be no more than 18 years old on the 1st of January of that season, bascially what it is now I think.
The Junior Colts are interesting, in that they had to be no more than 17 on the 1st of July, so someone who turned 18 on the 2nd of July could play Junior Colts in that season, but not if they turned 18 in the 30th of June.

Then in about 1960 the competition names were changed to Thirds and Colts. I'm not sure if there was a change in eligibility.
1974 was the year the competition became the Under 19s and Under 17s.
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby Aerie » Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:36 pm

Thanks spelly. This structure has been around for a very long time then. Will be interesting to see how it all goes.
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby MagareyLegend » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:23 pm

Rumour is that up to 4 SANFL clubs are planning their own renegade U17/U19s comp next year in defiance of the SANFL Comminision's decision.

I think we are in for some interesting times.
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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby Wedgie » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:27 pm

MagareyLegend wrote:Rumour is that up to 4 SANFL clubs are planning their own renegade U17/U19s comp next year in defiance of the SANFL Comminision's decision.

I think we are in for some interesting times.


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Re: Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

Postby am Bays » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:34 pm

MagareyLegend wrote:Rumour is that up to 4 SANFL clubs are planning their own renegade U17/U19s comp next year in defiance of the SANFL Comminision's decision.

I think we are in for some interesting times.


I don't think that it will come to that.

Four clubs are thinking of continuing the abridged U/16s competition once it officially finishes, not running a "renegrade U17s/19s competition.
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