AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Jimmy]

Read on fb that the pafc board confiscated the petition at Alberton today???? Anyone confirm???

[Apachebulldog]

Thats right you got it AFL stuffed up the crowds do you want the same for the SANFL then ??????

[CUTTERMAN]

Call me pedantic but I still haven't had a reply to my post to your request D14. An apology for something not posted but I'd be equally interested in your views on what would be good about the reserves push. I'd even settle for some rebuttles of my arguments.

[CUTTERMAN]

Read on fb that the pafc board confiscated the petition at Alberton today???? Anyone confirm???

Would love to hear more about this.

[heater31]

Read on fb that the pafc board confiscated the petition at Alberton today???? Anyone confirm???

Would love to hear more about this.

Think a member of the Magpies Cheer sqaud was going to be collecting signatures.......

[on the rails]

Read on fb that the pafc board confiscated the petition at Alberton today???? Anyone confirm???

If that is true, first off under what authority and secondly why?

[UK Fan]

Read on fb that the pafc board confiscated the petition at Alberton today???? Anyone confirm???

I did drop off a petition to a port fan for this weeks game. Interesting if true.

Proof port officials want maggies to die if true

[Lynwood]

Read on fb that the pafc board confiscated the petition at Alberton today???? Anyone confirm???

If that is true, first off under what authority and secondly why?

I only heard about it after the game so have not got all of the details of what happened only that they took it but gave it back later in the game. Not sure if a reason was given for why it was taken.

[D14]

Exactly hey crows fans have you ever heard anyone state the SANFL is currently compromise free.


This is a compromise to the leagues integrity we are not willing to accept . The it's already compromised argument doesn't mean jack.

Works both ways, SANFL fans can't use the compromised argument either if it doesn't mean jack.

Disagree with this. The SANFL have the chance to restore integrity back into the comp by removing all AFL listed players from the League teams. In my opinion, having two AFL reserves teams would lessen the integrity markedly from the status quo.
You've asked why do we/I think it shouldn't happen.
To me there's two sides of this issue with different reasons for each.
Concerning the issues with Port.
They are a foundation club of the SANFL, I don't want to see them get sold out by the Power. I don't think it's fair that the PAFC treat the Magpies as an AFL reserves team, portray them as still being the Magpies yet expect to field a team outside of the salary cap. It's either or, either the Magpies are an SANFL team and play by ALL the rules or they're not, can't have both. As a Sturt supporter it'd make me sick to see Sturt developed players playing for Port against Sturt for premiership points. No other SANFL team has this opportunity or ask to have salary cap exemptions.

Issues with Adelaide.
Whereas Port want to get top up players from the Magpies reserves and juniors Adelaide will need to source top up players from other SANFL clubs. They haven't explained how they expect this to work. So effectively AFC want to go from stuffing SANFL team selections around with available AFL players in the current model, to stuffing SANFL team selections with available SANFL players that AFC don't want or do want depending on injuries to AFL players.
Again, they want to field a team outside if the salary cap. The proposal of Adelaide to play all away games and give the gate to the host club is laughable, SANFL clubs have asked that they at least cover the gate but Chapman refused to do so. Sturt have huge set up costs to host a home game and therefore have the highest break even crowd of all SANFL teams, I think Sturt's break even crowd figure is about 3000. I can't see many Sturt supporters turning up to watch this game and I definitely can't see 2000-4000 Adelaide supporters turning up either. So Sturt stand to make a loss for every game they host against Adelaide. Yeh, errr, thanks but no thanks.

Other people have outlined very well the issues when it comes to finals. Personally I wouldn't care if both teams didn't play finals as part of the agreement, yes it's affects the integrity but what doesn't in these proposals? The problem with that is two years down the track they'll want to change that also. Death by a thousand cuts.

I hope that has given you some hard reasons of why I don't think it's beneficial to the SANFL.

Cutterman, you make some excellent points that I hadn't thought about re playing outside the salary cap. My thought was money aside the players playing in the reserves would be afl rookies or players finding their feet and not established stars with over inflated salaries.

I understand the point about not wanting to see ex sturt players playing against sturt but in the long run it would be best for the players to get the most out of their playing days and developing the best they can.

I agree the crows should consider covering the gate cost.

You make very good points, thank you for enlightening me.

[LPH]

My understanding is that a PAFC Board Member demanded the Petition & confiscated it.
It was then returned after the game had ended - obviously not getting as much attention as it may have DURING the game.

I would suggest that this is actually a positive for the cause - it shows that at the very least, the 2 AFL Clubs are unsure as to the amount of Public support for the NO AFL in the SANFL Group & they see it as a threat to achieving their desired positions.

I wish to add 3 things about yesterday's effort @ Woodville:

1. WESLO often get 'bagged' (& I have been 1 to bag them in the past & will continue to do so) BUT... I applaud the WESLO (name & number withheld) bloke yesterday who signed the petition - he is a Westies supporter & I thank him for his support of our campaign.

2. The amount of Sturt supporters that not only signed but gave positive support of me as I walked around the ground - Cheers (dare I say it? - Toodle-pip ) - they were great & their passion should not be understated.

3. To the Sturt Official who engaged in a very amicable conversation 'through the fence' before the game - great conversation about our Historical Competition which was thoroughly enjoyable

The fight to be taken seriously (particularly by the mainstream media outlets, e.g. 5AFL, Crowvertiser, Triple VFL) continues.

Finally, for you D14
NO AFL in the SANFL

[CENTURION]

Scott, you & I have been asked to go to 1197 RPH soon for an on air interview, details to come soon.

[Spargo]

My understanding is that a PAFC Board Member demanded the Petition & confiscated it.
It was then returned after the game had ended - obviously not getting as much attention as it may have DURING the game.

Pretty sure the petition was doing the rounds at halftime in the port club.
Also, what right does a board member have to confiscate the petition. He should have been told where to go.

[zipzap]

2. The amount of Sturt supporters that not only signed but gave positive support of me as I walked around the ground - Cheers (dare I say it? - Toodle-pip ) - they were great & their passion should not be understated.

Would have loved to have signed the petition, didn't realise you were collecting sigs - I said a 'good onya mate' as you walked past but don't think you heard me with your headphones on. Oh well, keep up the good work, toodle pip!

[UK Fan]

My understanding is that a PAFC Board Member demanded the Petition & confiscated it.
It was then returned after the game had ended - obviously not getting as much attention as it may have DURING the game.

I would suggest that this is actually a positive for the cause - it shows that at the very least, the 2 AFL Clubs are unsure as to the amount of Public support for the NO AFL in the SANFL Group & they see it as a threat to achieving their desired positions.

I wish to add 3 things about yesterday's effort @ Woodville:

1. WESLO often get 'bagged' (& I have been 1 to bag them in the past & will continue to do so) BUT... I applaud the WESLO (name & number withheld) bloke yesterday who signed the petition - he is a Westies supporter & I thank him for his support of our campaign.

2. The amount of Sturt supporters that not only signed but gave positive support of me as I walked around the ground - Cheers (dare I say it? - Toodle-pip ) - they were great & their passion should not be understated.

3. To the Sturt Official who engaged in a very amicable conversation 'through the fence' before the game - great conversation about our Historical Competition which was thoroughly enjoyable

The fight to be taken seriously (particularly by the mainstream media outlets, e.g. 5AFL, Crowvertiser, Triple VFL) continues.

Finally, for you D14
NO AFL in the SANFL

It wasn't my guy he collected signatures without issue

[CENTURION]

it was a lady called Anita, taken from her whilst she was inside the clubrooms, ffs, what are they worried about?? the media is onto this already, this is priceless stuff!

[UK Fan]

it was a lady called Anita, taken from her whilst she was inside the clubrooms, ffs, what are they worried about?? the media is onto this already, this is priceless stuff!

Do we know who the official was ???

[JohnnyG]

just out of curiosity, a couple of questions ONLY FOR THOSE THAT ARE FOR the Cows and Port entering league sides in the SANFL

1/ what is your level of support for your AFL club (member, season ticket holder, sponsor etc.)?

2/ what is your level of support for your SANFL club (member, season ticket holder, sponsor etc.)?

3/ How many AFL games do you attend a year?

4/ How many SANFL games do you attend?

5/ If you support a SA based AFL side, who will you support when they play your SANFL team?

I'd be interested in seeing what responses you give compared to those that don't want them in

1) AFL Club - Crows gold member, season ticket holder

2) SANFL Club - South member, home & away game season ticket

3) attend 15 afl games (inc interstate)

4) attend 15-20 sanfl games

5) would support South

History stands still for no-one

[LPH]

2. The amount of Sturt supporters that not only signed but gave positive support of me as I walked around the ground - Cheers (dare I say it? - Toodle-pip ) - they were great & their passion should not be understated.

Would have loved to have signed the petition, didn't realise you were collecting sigs - I said a 'good onya mate' as you walked past but don't think you heard me with your headphones on. Oh well, keep up the good work, toodle pip!

Sorry mate, was actually listening to the LifeFM call of the game
After all, game 1st, petition 2nd

[mighty_tiger_79]

it was a lady called Anita, taken from her whilst she was inside the clubrooms, ffs, what are they worried about?? the media is onto this already, this is priceless stuff!

even better if this is raised during the 1197 on-air interview as well!

[twosheds]

just out of curiosity, a couple of questions ONLY FOR THOSE THAT ARE FOR the Cows and Port entering league sides in the SANFL

1/ what is your level of support for your AFL club (member, season ticket holder, sponsor etc.)?

2/ what is your level of support for your SANFL club (member, season ticket holder, sponsor etc.)?

3/ How many AFL games do you attend a year?

4/ How many SANFL games do you attend?

5/ If you support a SA based AFL side, who will you support when they play your SANFL team?

I'd be interested in seeing what responses you give compared to those that don't want them in

1) AFL Club - Crows gold member, season ticket holder

2) SANFL Club - South member, home & away game season ticket

3) attend 15 afl games (inc interstate)

4) attend 15-20 sanfl games

5) would support South

History stands still for no-one

What does that mean ? Why would you "smile" on writing it ? ! If you are trying to intimate that NO AFL IN THE SANFL means no change or progress then a)you have your cliches/sayings confused and b) you just don't get it ! You are being a sheep and following the radio pencil necks e.g. McDermott etc; have an original thought please.