AFL Reserves Discussion...

[daysofourlives]

What are the main reasons some of you are threatening to rip up your memberships if the AFL get a reserves side in?

1: you don't think your SANFL team could beat the AFL sides?
2: you think the AFL sides would be uncompetitive?
3: you don't want your SANFL side to lose its AFL listed players?
4: you just don't like change. (So no real reason just jumping on the bandwagon)

All I read on this forum is people complaining and bagging the AFL clubs (mainly the crows and just because what they have asked for is more likely to come in than ports) No actual reasons are put forward just that its going to be bad.

I understand you are all passionate about your SANFL club, so why would you abandon them so easily and for no legitimate reason?

Compromised
Norwood and Centrals are fighting it out for 5th position.
2 weeks to go and Norwood play a near full strength Crow reserves and fall in by a point.
1 weeks later the Dogs play them but the crows AFL lost 4 midfielders to injury and the same thing happened to the ressies. Dogs need to win by 8 goal mind you they havnt got close to the Crows all season.
As luck would have it, its pouring with rain, the ressies have lost 8 midfielders but its ok they still have 10-12 players over 190cm.
The crows bring in some some players from SAAFL Div 1 reserves bottom 3 teams because all Sanfl reserve clubs can still make the 5 and so to the Div 1 league and Div res top 7 so as to not hurt their clubs chances.
The crows AFL cant make the finals and the SANFL crows are top and cant lose that position so what do they care.
The match is played and Crows dont score and the dogs win by 12 goal and Norwood miss out on %.

The Crows AFL finish their season that same weekend and go on holiday. Since it is at least 3 weeks away before the Crows reserves could be pushed out (week off, play 2nd semi, play prelim). The club decides that there is too much of a different start to preseason for the SANFL side to keep playing on so they withdraw (yes Sydney have done that before).

After Nowoods players have silly sunday and mad monday they are then called back to training and have 4 days to prepare for a final of SANFL footy where a SANFL league premiership is on the line.

And that Dear Sir is how the competition is compromised and is left without integrity

So to answer your question yes my team may not be able to beat the Crows ressies and yes the crows maybe uncompetitive
All reliant on the AFL team, like we are with our SANFL reserve sides, so play in our reserves comp OR

F*** of AFL

[D14]

My main point was why would this cause posters to rip up their memberships, which has been the flavour of the month on here

Simply it would not be a genuine competition anymore and would become a development competition ala WAFL and VFL

When sturt and other clubs play 7 or more AFL players it is already a compromised competition

[Jim05]

What are the main reasons some of you are threatening to rip up your memberships if the AFL get a reserves side in?

1: you don't think your SANFL team could beat the AFL sides?
2: you think the AFL sides would be uncompetitive?
3: you don't want your SANFL side to lose its AFL listed players?
4: you just don't like change. (So no real reason just jumping on the bandwagon)

All I read on this forum is people complaining and bagging the AFL clubs (mainly the crows and just because what they have asked for is more likely to come in than ports) No actual reasons are put forward just that its going to be bad.

I understand you are all passionate about your SANFL club, so why would you abandon them so easily and for no legitimate reason?

Compromised
Norwood and Centrals are fighting it out for 5th position.
2 weeks to go and Norwood play a near full strength Crow reserves and fall in by a point.
1 weeks later the Dogs play them but the crows AFL lost 4 midfielders to injury and the same thing happened to the ressies. Dogs need to win by 8 goal mind you they havnt got close to the Crows all season.
As luck would have it, its pouring with rain, the ressies have lost 8 midfielders but its ok they still have 10-12 players over 190cm.
The crows bring in some some players from SAAFL Div 1 reserves bottom 3 teams because all Sanfl reserve clubs can still make the 5 and so to the Div 1 league and Div res top 7 so as to not hurt their clubs chances.
The crows AFL cant make the finals and the SANFL crows are top and cant lose that position so what do they care.
The match is played and Crows dont score and the dogs win by 12 goal and Norwood miss out on %.

The Crows AFL finish their season that same weekend and go on holiday. Since it is at least 3 weeks away before the Crows reserves could be pushed out (week off, play 2nd semi, play prelim). The club decides that there is too much of a different start to preseason for the SANFL side to keep playing on so they withdraw (yes Sydney have done that before).

After Nowoods players have silly sunday and mad monday they are then called back to training and have 4 days to prepare for a final of SANFL footy where a SANFL league premiership is on the line.

And that Dear Sir is how the competition is compromised and is left without integrity

So to answer your question yes my team may not be able to beat the Crows ressies and yes the crows maybe uncompetitive
All reliant on the AFL team, like we are with our SANFL reserve sides, so play in our reserves comp OR

F*** of AFL

[D14]

What are the main reasons some of you are threatening to rip up your memberships if the AFL get a reserves side in?

1: you don't think your SANFL team could beat the AFL sides?
2: you think the AFL sides would be uncompetitive?
3: you don't want your SANFL side to lose its AFL listed players?
4: you just don't like change. (So no real reason just jumping on the bandwagon)

All I read on this forum is people complaining and bagging the AFL clubs (mainly the crows and just because what they have asked for is more likely to come in than ports) No actual reasons are put forward just that its going to be bad.

I understand you are all passionate about your SANFL club, so why would you abandon them so easily and for no legitimate reason?

Compromised
Norwood and Centrals are fighting it out for 5th position.
2 weeks to go and Norwood play a near full strength Crow reserves and fall in by a point.
1 weeks later the Dogs play them but the crows AFL lost 4 midfielders to injury and the same thing happened to the ressies. Dogs need to win by 8 goal mind you they havnt got close to the Crows all season.
As luck would have it, its pouring with rain, the ressies have lost 8 midfielders but its ok they still have 10-12 players over 190cm.
The crows bring in some some players from SAAFL Div 1 reserves bottom 3 teams because all Sanfl reserve clubs can still make the 5 and so to the Div 1 league and Div res top 7 so as to not hurt their clubs chances.
The crows AFL cant make the finals and the SANFL crows are top and cant lose that position so what do they care.
The match is played and Crows dont score and the dogs win by 12 goal and Norwood miss out on %.

The Crows AFL finish their season that same weekend and go on holiday. Since it is at least 3 weeks away before the Crows reserves could be pushed out (week off, play 2nd semi, play prelim). The club decides that there is too much of a different start to preseason for the SANFL side to keep playing on so they withdraw (yes Sydney have done that before).

After Nowoods players have silly sunday and mad monday they are then called back to training and have 4 days to prepare for a final of SANFL footy where a SANFL league premiership is on the line.

And that Dear Sir is how the competition is compromised and is left without integrity

So to answer your question yes my team may not be able to beat the Crows ressies and yes the crows maybe uncompetitive
All reliant on the AFL team, like we are with our SANFL reserve sides, so play in our reserves comp OR

F*** of AFL

Good call, or the crows reserves go on to win the GF (yes Geelong did that as well). Every side is subjected to injury.
Things stay as they are, sturt finish top, Tambling, kerrige, Martin, jaench, McIntyre, Riley and Atkins finish top seven in the best and fairest but crows get 7 injuries in the final series so call all 7 up. Sturt go out in straight sets.

Since we are dealing fith hypetheticals of course.

The SANFL could put in a stipulation that the afl teams have to honour SANFL finals commitments and do not have the option to pull out of finals.

[Tassie Blues]

My main point was why would this cause posters to rip up their memberships, which has been the flavour of the month on here

Simply it would not be a genuine competition anymore and would become a development competition ala WAFL and VFL

When sturt and other clubs play 7 or more AFL players it is already a compromised competition

How dare you call the current SANFL competition compromised the word compromised can only be used for the “No AFL in SANFL” side of this argument. The SANFL is already a development competition for the AFL or am I wrong in thinking every SANFL player would jump at a chance to join an AFL club.

[daysofourlives]

Think your missing the point, the crows in my scenario do not have injuries for the finals. Simply because they missed the AFL finals the rest have to go on holidays so as to all come back at the same time

Dont give me this crap of a rule to say they have to play, we have that now and both xlubs withdraw players from SANFL finals. Your asking us to trust 2 of the 3 dodgiest clubs in the AFL.

Also i did suggest they play in out reserves comp so out goes your argument there about the Sturt players.

Next...

[Tassie Blues]

So the current system of AFL players aligned to a SANFL club going for “surgery” and not playing SANFL finals is not compromising to the competition. But an AFL player aligned to a Port or Crows SANFL side going for “surgery” and not playing SANFL finals is compromising to the completion?

[tipper]

Once again, for the dim witted amongst us. Just because the competition is compromised to a point now, is no reason to compromise it further.

Just because someone has been raped before, does not mean its ok for them to be raped again and again just because someone bigger wants to...

[Ian]

My main point was why would this cause posters to rip up their memberships, which has been the flavour of the month on here

Simply it would not be a genuine competition anymore and would become a development competition ala WAFL and VFL

When sturt and other clubs play 7 or more AFL players it is already a compromised competition

How dare you call the current SANFL competition compromised the word compromised can only be used for the “No AFL in SANFL” side of this argument. The SANFL is already a development competition for the AFL or am I wrong in thinking every SANFL player would jump at a chance to join an AFL club.

No one has said the current system is perfect

No one has said the current system has 100% not compromised the league in any way

BUT, you still have 9 SANFL clubs fighting their arses off to try and win a SANFL premiership.

Having to deal with AFL players coming and going does not help their cause, having Port transfer their AFL listed players to the Magpies has taken that compromising a step further (probably compromised the Magpies more than the other 7 clubs) but none the less the clubs are trying to win a flag so yes to a degree it does compromise the SANFL but compared to the current request on the table the damage is far less and far more manageable as a whole.
The easiest fix for the SANFL clubs would be no AFL listed players in the comp....problem solved!

We are all realists, we are not looking at the offer with Rose coloured glasses, we can see the current issues but we are also not blinded by the hype, lies, threats, bully tacticts etc of the Crows or the sneaky back handed tactics by Port's "One Club" to try and sell the idea or scare club boards and the average punters into believing it is their only option for survival.

Open your eyes, look at the facts, the best option would be NO AFL anywhere IN THE SANFL but most against the AFL reserves teams concept have conceded that an acceptable compromise would be NO AFL IN THE SANFL League comp and let them play at reserves level

In an ideal world the AFL would have it's own reserves comp and the 2 parasites in SA could just **** right off for good!

[Dog_ger]

If SANFL loses Footy Park, I think our days are numbered...

[UK Fan]

Exactly hey crows fans have you ever heard anyone state the SANFL is currently compromise free.


This is a compromise to the leagues integrity we are not willing to accept . The it's already compromised argument doesn't mean jack.

[UK Fan]

What are the main reasons some of you are threatening to rip up your memberships if the AFL get a reserves side in?

1: you don't think your SANFL team could beat the AFL sides?
2: you think the AFL sides would be uncompetitive?
3: you don't want your SANFL side to lose its AFL listed players?
4: you just don't like change. (So no real reason just jumping on the bandwagon)

All I read on this forum is people complaining and bagging the AFL clubs (mainly the crows and just because what they have asked for is more likely to come in than ports) No actual reasons are put forward just that its going to be bad.

I understand you are all passionate about your SANFL club, so why would you abandon them so easily and for no legitimate reason?

Or none of the above.
They are in a differant comp, thats where they should stay.
Dont want any of their players in the comp and definately dont want AFL sides in the SANFL
I wont be ripping up my membership thats for sure

But why? I would have thought a 10 team comp could be a good thing?

That's it . Please tell me your justification to ruin the oldest football league in oz isnt just because a crows fan thinks 10 teams is a good thing .

Glad you've put so much thought into it. Insulting !!!

[Psyber]

But why? I would have thought a 10 team comp could be a good thing?

It wasn't a good thing when it first happened with the introduction of Centrals and Woodville, and there were more people going to SANFL matches to support it then.

[Agile]

It has been said a thousand times. When are you going to get your head around the FACT !!! There is not ONE !!!! player on an SANFL list that wants a full season with only one or worse, no byes. These guys need a break to recuperate, freshen up. We all know how hard the game is and dont forget, THESE GUYS ARE NOT FULL TIME ATHLETES.

If there is ten teams there still needs to be two byes in the season IMHO

So take that out of the argument FFS

[D14]

Exactly hey crows fans have you ever heard anyone state the SANFL is currently compromise free.


This is a compromise to the leagues integrity we are not willing to accept . The it's already compromised argument doesn't mean jack.

Works both ways, SANFL fans can't use the compromised argument either if it doesn't mean jack.

[D14]

It has been said a thousand times. When are you going to get your head around the FACT !!! There is not ONE !!!! player on an SANFL list that wants a full season with only one or worse, no byes. These guys need a break to recuperate, freshen up. We all know how hard the game is and dont forget, THESE GUYS ARE NOT FULL TIME ATHLETES.

If there is ten teams there still needs to be two byes in the season IMHO

So take that out of the argument FFS

I agree there would need to be two byes for every team.

[D14]

You would still have 8 SANFL teams trying to win a premiership and 2 AFL teams with players who would want to win every game they are involved in and also a premiership. Every footballer wants to win premierships.

[Psyber]

It has been said a thousand times. When are you going to get your head around the FACT !!! There is not ONE !!!! player on an SANFL list that wants a full season with only one or worse, no byes. These guys need a break to recuperate, freshen up. We all know how hard the game is and dont forget, THESE GUYS ARE NOT FULL TIME ATHLETES.

If there is ten teams there still needs to be two byes in the season IMHO

So take that out of the argument FFS

I agree there would need to be two byes for every team.

Or a couple of suitably spaced split rounds?

[tipper]

Exactly hey crows fans have you ever heard anyone state the SANFL is currently compromise free.


This is a compromise to the leagues integrity we are not willing to accept . The it's already compromised argument doesn't mean jack.

Works both ways, SANFL fans can't use the compromised argument either if it doesn't mean jack.

No it doesn't go both ways. As uk fan stated. This is going too far. You are stating that as it is already compromised, it doesn't matter if it is further compromised. We disagree.

To be perfectly honest, to resolve the "compromised" argument totally, remove all the all players from the sanfl altogether. Play them elsewhere. Problem solved.

[D14]

It has been said a thousand times. When are you going to get your head around the FACT !!! There is not ONE !!!! player on an SANFL list that wants a full season with only one or worse, no byes. These guys need a break to recuperate, freshen up. We all know how hard the game is and dont forget, THESE GUYS ARE NOT FULL TIME ATHLETES.

If there is ten teams there still needs to be two byes in the season IMHO

So take that out of the argument FFS

I agree there would need to be two byes for every team.

Or a couple of suitably spaced split rounds?

Yep