AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Jim05]

What are the main reasons some of you are threatening to rip up your memberships if the AFL get a reserves side in?

1: you don't think your SANFL team could beat the AFL sides?
2: you think the AFL sides would be uncompetitive?
3: you don't want your SANFL side to lose its AFL listed players?
4: you just don't like change. (So no real reason just jumping on the bandwagon)

All I read on this forum is people complaining and bagging the AFL clubs (mainly the crows and just because what they have asked for is more likely to come in than ports) No actual reasons are put forward just that its going to be bad.

I understand you are all passionate about your SANFL club, so why would you abandon them so easily and for no legitimate reason?

Or none of the above.
They are in a differant comp, thats where they should stay.
Dont want any of their players in the comp and definately dont want AFL sides in the SANFL
I wont be ripping up my membership thats for sure

But why? I would have thought a 10 team comp could be a good thing?

Im more than happy with the bye.
Plus I love the fact the Cows want to come in and not have a home ground, just want to sponge off the rest of the comp.
How about we tell them like any other new side that wants to enter the comp that they find their own ground and pay to run it like the other clubs have to.
Also dont want them using any SANFL players as top ups. If they are 4 or 5 short bad luck

[Aerie]

What are the main reasons some of you are threatening to rip up your memberships if the AFL get a reserves side in?

1: you don't think your SANFL team could beat the AFL sides?
2: you think the AFL sides would be uncompetitive?
3: you don't want your SANFL side to lose its AFL listed players?
4: you just don't like change. (So no real reason just jumping on the bandwagon)

All I read on this forum is people complaining and bagging the AFL clubs (mainly the crows and just because what they have asked for is more likely to come in than ports) No actual reasons are put forward just that its going to be bad.

I understand you are all passionate about your SANFL club, so why would you abandon them so easily and for no legitimate reason?

Is there any point answering, given there are no legitimate reasons?

Have a read, there are plenty of reasons in this thread.

Some words - dignity, respect, integrity, values, all of which would be compromised with AFL Reserves, especially the Crows model.

[D14]

What are the main reasons some of you are threatening to rip up your memberships if the AFL get a reserves side in?

1: you don't think your SANFL team could beat the AFL sides?
2: you think the AFL sides would be uncompetitive?
3: you don't want your SANFL side to lose its AFL listed players?
4: you just don't like change. (So no real reason just jumping on the bandwagon)

All I read on this forum is people complaining and bagging the AFL clubs (mainly the crows and just because what they have asked for is more likely to come in than ports) No actual reasons are put forward just that its going to be bad.

I understand you are all passionate about your SANFL club, so why would you abandon them so easily and for no legitimate reason?

Please outline your reasons for it being a good idea.

The forum is yours.

So what your saying is you don't have any real reasons of your own?

I personally think having 2 successful and money making AFL clubs in SA is more beneficial to the SANFL than unsuccessful ones. Posters keep stating that the SANFL bails out the power but where do you think the SANFL's money comes from? I would have thought the AFL sides would have been their major revenue source.

Whether you like it or not AFL is here to stay, I'm not saying that the SANFL should lay down and do whatever the AFL wants but to survive in the current climate they need to work together.

A 10 team comp is better than 9 in my opinion
SANFL sides would be more settled with no AFL listed players coming in and out, and could promote their juniors even more.
Gives you supporters another team to hate.
Obviously the AFL sides would have major benefits (don't think I need to go into them)

I would still go for Norwood over the crows but I would like to watch the crows youngsters playing together against Norwood.

What are your reasons for it being a bad idea

[TimmiesChin]

Another hypothetical

The Crows dont have a single injury on their 47 man list.

Where do the other 4 play?
A) Will it then be OK for their development to play in a SANFL club's resreves?
B) They ask to sit 4 extra on the bench
C) Don't play, should do wonder's for their development

Funnily enough, one of the clubs proposals addressed that issue.

How do box hill do it?


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[D14]

What are the main reasons some of you are threatening to rip up your memberships if the AFL get a reserves side in?

1: you don't think your SANFL team could beat the AFL sides?
2: you think the AFL sides would be uncompetitive?
3: you don't want your SANFL side to lose its AFL listed players?
4: you just don't like change. (So no real reason just jumping on the bandwagon)

All I read on this forum is people complaining and bagging the AFL clubs (mainly the crows and just because what they have asked for is more likely to come in than ports) No actual reasons are put forward just that its going to be bad.

I understand you are all passionate about your SANFL club, so why would you abandon them so easily and for no legitimate reason?

Is there any point answering, given there are no legitimate reasons?

Have a read, there are plenty of reasons in this thread.

Some words - dignity, respect, integrity, values, all of which would be compromised with AFL Reserves, especially the Crows model.

I have read through the pages and found words like you stated but how will they be compromised, that is what I'm asking? It's easy to say dignity, respect, integrity, values will be compromised but how exactly? Why would anything change for your SANFL club?

[dedja]

Maybe ask your own club who are vehemently opposed to it ...

[JK]

What are the main reasons some of you are threatening to rip up your memberships if the AFL get a reserves side in?

1: you don't think your SANFL team could beat the AFL sides?
2: you think the AFL sides would be uncompetitive?
3: you don't want your SANFL side to lose its AFL listed players?
4: you just don't like change. (So no real reason just jumping on the bandwagon)

All I read on this forum is people complaining and bagging the AFL clubs (mainly the crows and just because what they have asked for is more likely to come in than ports) No actual reasons are put forward just that its going to be bad.

I understand you are all passionate about your SANFL club, so why would you abandon them so easily and for no legitimate reason?

Fair question D14.

For me, the big one is I don't want to see Jonas, Brown, Grigg etc playing against their own club.

That said, as per an example you gave earlier, if Norwood play Central, I dont think I could avoid going to watch and support, no different to today.

However, the other concern is what the SANFL might get reduced to as a competition. But to be fair that concerns me whether the SANFL does or doesn't allow the local AFL's to have reserves teams.

[D14]

What are the main reasons some of you are threatening to rip up your memberships if the AFL get a reserves side in?

1: you don't think your SANFL team could beat the AFL sides?
2: you think the AFL sides would be uncompetitive?
3: you don't want your SANFL side to lose its AFL listed players?
4: you just don't like change. (So no real reason just jumping on the bandwagon)

All I read on this forum is people complaining and bagging the AFL clubs (mainly the crows and just because what they have asked for is more likely to come in than ports) No actual reasons are put forward just that its going to be bad.

I understand you are all passionate about your SANFL club, so why would you abandon them so easily and for no legitimate reason?

Or none of the above.
They are in a differant comp, thats where they should stay.
Dont want any of their players in the comp and definately dont want AFL sides in the SANFL
I wont be ripping up my membership thats for sure

But why? I would have thought a 10 team comp could be a good thing?

Im more than happy with the bye.
Plus I love the fact the Cows want to come in and not have a home ground, just want to sponge off the rest of the comp.
How about we tell them like any other new side that wants to enter the comp that they find their own ground and pay to run it like the other clubs have to.
Also dont want them using any SANFL players as top ups. If they are 4 or 5 short bad luck

Sponge, by letting the 8 other teams have extra home games earn money from gate takings. Better to have their own ground and make money for themselves is it. I think a lot of posters are just hating for the sake of hating.

I also guess its better for fringe SANFL players development to go back to the ammos and get easy kicks.

[areaman]

What are the main reasons some of you are threatening to rip up your memberships if the AFL get a reserves side in?

1: you don't think your SANFL team could beat the AFL sides?
2: you think the AFL sides would be uncompetitive?
3: you don't want your SANFL side to lose its AFL listed players?
4: you just don't like change. (So no real reason just jumping on the bandwagon)

All I read on this forum is people complaining and bagging the AFL clubs (mainly the crows and just because what they have asked for is more likely to come in than ports) No actual reasons are put forward just that its going to be bad.

I understand you are all passionate about your SANFL club, so why would you abandon them so easily and for no legitimate reason?

Please outline your reasons for it being a good idea.

The forum is yours.

So what your saying is you don't have any real reasons of your own?

I personally think having 2 successful and money making AFL clubs in SA is more beneficial to the SANFL than unsuccessful ones. Posters keep stating that the SANFL bails out the power but where do you think the SANFL's money comes from? I would have thought the AFL sides would have been their major revenue source.

Whether you like it or not AFL is here to stay, I'm not saying that the SANFL should lay down and do whatever the AFL wants but to survive in the current climate they need to work together.

A 10 team comp is better than 9 in my opinion
SANFL sides would be more settled with no AFL listed players coming in and out, and could promote their juniors even more.
Gives you supporters another team to hate.
Obviously the AFL sides would have major benefits (don't think I need to go into them)

I would still go for Norwood over the crows but I would like to watch the crows youngsters playing together against Norwood.

What are your reasons for it being a bad idea

Mate, I've posted more than enough on here why I'm opposed. You say you've read the thread - obviously not that well.

In case you haven't noticed the two AFL clubs need to make a case which they are both struggling with.

Your point about 2 profitable clubs is interesting - however as they both will get independence soon then this will be irrelevant to the SANFL clubs.

You still haven't told us why it's good for the SANFL clubs and comp.

[tipper]

Once again the people supporting the reserves sides idea are coming at it from an afl perspective. With a whole lot of "I think" and "I believe" as proof that it will work.

Afl reserves sides have been a detriment to the Vfl. They have been a detriment to the wafl. Yet somehow they will enhance the sanfl??

The simple fact is, the sanfl league is not a reserves competition. They shouldn't be playing against reserves sides. I agree that sanfl sides will have benefits if all the afl players are removed from them. So take them and play them in a reserves competition. Not in the sanfl league. Offer them a compromise of playing in our reserves, but if that isn't suitable to them, I won't miss them playing elsewhere. I don't believe the sanfl need the reserves sides, and I am yet to see anything that contradicts that belief.

If the afl sides want to change our league, it is up to them to show us the benefits. We don't need to show them the negatives first.

[JK]

Sponge, by letting the 8 other teams have extra home games earn money from gate takings. Better to have their own ground and make money for themselves is it. I think a lot of posters are just hating for the sake of hating.

This is wrong.

If there was any research or study done by the Crows as to the money that WOULD be made from additional crowds, then they would find their own home ground and reap the financial benefit themselves.

[D14]

What are the main reasons some of you are threatening to rip up your memberships if the AFL get a reserves side in?

1: you don't think your SANFL team could beat the AFL sides?
2: you think the AFL sides would be uncompetitive?
3: you don't want your SANFL side to lose its AFL listed players?
4: you just don't like change. (So no real reason just jumping on the bandwagon)

All I read on this forum is people complaining and bagging the AFL clubs (mainly the crows and just because what they have asked for is more likely to come in than ports) No actual reasons are put forward just that its going to be bad.

I understand you are all passionate about your SANFL club, so why would you abandon them so easily and for no legitimate reason?

Please outline your reasons for it being a good idea.

The forum is yours.

So what your saying is you don't have any real reasons of your own?

I personally think having 2 successful and money making AFL clubs in SA is more beneficial to the SANFL than unsuccessful ones. Posters keep stating that the SANFL bails out the power but where do you think the SANFL's money comes from? I would have thought the AFL sides would have been their major revenue source.

Whether you like it or not AFL is here to stay, I'm not saying that the SANFL should lay down and do whatever the AFL wants but to survive in the current climate they need to work together.

A 10 team comp is better than 9 in my opinion
SANFL sides would be more settled with no AFL listed players coming in and out, and could promote their juniors even more.
Gives you supporters another team to hate.
Obviously the AFL sides would have major benefits (don't think I need to go into them)

I would still go for Norwood over the crows but I would like to watch the crows youngsters playing together against Norwood.

What are your reasons for it being a bad idea

Mate, I've posted more than enough on here why I'm opposed. You say you've read the thread - obviously not that well.

In case you haven't noticed the two AFL clubs need to make a case which they are both struggling with.

Your point about 2 profitable clubs is interesting - however as they both will get independence soon then this will be irrelevant to the SANFL clubs.

You still haven't told us why it's good for the SANFL clubs and comp.

I haven't read all 125 pages but I have been reading this forum from time to time over the past months, I usually go back and read the last 10 or so pages each time I come back on. So far I haven't noticed to many genuine reasons.

As far as I can tell the crows case is that they want a reserves side in the SANFL and they are happy for the SANFL clubs to have input on how that would best suit them.

Is the SANFL going to make money from AFL games played at adelaide oval regardless on who owns the licence? So not really irrelevant to SANFL clubs.

[Dutchy]

I would still go for Norwood over the crows but I would like to watch the crows youngsters playing together against Norwood.

And there it is, the SANFL would go from being a proud, tribal, suburban competition with fierce support for you club, to supporters going to a game to see how their AFL team are developing....

[JK]

Is the SANFL going to make money from AFL games played at adelaide oval regardless on who owns the licence? So not really irrelevant to SANFL clubs.

Exactly, so if the SANFL declines Crows/Port SANFL teams how does it affect their Adelaide Oval revenue? You're being just as selective here mate.

[D14]

Sponge, by letting the 8 other teams have extra home games earn money from gate takings. Better to have their own ground and make money for themselves is it. I think a lot of posters are just hating for the sake of hating.

This is wrong.

If there was any research or study done by the Crows as to the money that WOULD be made from additional crowds, then they would find their own home ground and reap the financial benefit themselves.

If this was about AFL sides making money from the games then I would think they were doing it for the wrong reasons.

[JK]

Sponge, by letting the 8 other teams have extra home games earn money from gate takings. Better to have their own ground and make money for themselves is it. I think a lot of posters are just hating for the sake of hating.

This is wrong.

If there was any research or study done by the Crows as to the money that WOULD be made from additional crowds, then they would find their own home ground and reap the financial benefit themselves.

If this was about AFL sides making money from the games then I would think they were doing it for the wrong reasons.

AFL clubs don't want to make money Mmmmkay ....

[D14]

Sponge, by letting the 8 other teams have extra home games earn money from gate takings. Better to have their own ground and make money for themselves is it. I think a lot of posters are just hating for the sake of hating.

This is wrong.

If there was any research or study done by the Crows as to the money that WOULD be made from additional crowds, then they would find their own home ground and reap the financial benefit themselves.

If this was about AFL sides making money from the games then I would think they were doing it for the wrong reasons.

AFL clubs don't want to make money Mmmmkay ....

JK the SANFL would be better off financially if AFL succeeds at adelaide oval. Geelong and Collingwood have benefited from reserves sides. Of course the AFL clubs want to make money but if it was from their reserves side the posters would have more to complain about

[D14]

My main point was why would this cause posters to rip up their memberships, which has been the flavour of the month on here

[Dutchy]

My main point was why would this cause posters to rip up their memberships, which has been the flavour of the month on here

Simply it would not be a genuine competition anymore and would become a development competition ala WAFL and VFL

[JK]

JK the SANFL would be better off financially if AFL succeeds at adelaide oval.

The SANFL will draw revenue from there regardless, how does Reserves teams change that argument?