AFL Reserves Discussion...

[o five]

Unfortunately I feel that this whole reserves dabacle will never sort itself out until there is a national AFL reserves comp, even if Port and the Crows joined the VFL comp, they would still be pushing in the background for a team in the SANFL due to the extra $$$ it would be costing them.
I sure hope I am wrong as I am tired of this rubbish now.

[areaman]

Since they are partners, I wonder how the SACA feels about that "we" part of the equation UK?

Or perhaps in your world they would be told to "F" off as well?

Think the arrangement is 5 months the oval is controlled by SACA and then 7 months by the SANFL.

Whatever arrangements happen between the SANFL and the two clubs is an internal football matter only.

The SACA probably couldn't care less how football handles things amongst themselves.

[Booney]

Yeah the SACA would hate more money................

It would almost be a 'unification that exceeds expectations.'

A few silk ties here and there. Gives you something to wipe gravy off the chin whilst you discuss how big your next yacht is going to be.

[beenreal]

Yeah the SACA would hate more money................

It would almost be a 'unification that exceeds expectations.'

So what you're saying is, there is more money available, but the SACA simply hasn't asked for it?

Boy, you call the PAFC fiscally irresponsible!

[Jim05]

Those two idiots on AA have got me so pissed off.
Would love to belt that knob McDermott, saying that denying the Cows entry is stupid and would be the death of the SANFL, then he goes on to say that Port need to worry about the Power and not worry about the Magpies or their 2500 members. Reckons Port cant be held back by memories and need to look after their future

[teaoby]

So let me get this straight. the Crows say all we want is a team in the league comp, the 8 SANFL teams can set the rules and reg's surrounding how, when and where. and they are the ones copping it from you lot??

Secondly. If there is a National AFL reserves comp they Crows and Power not to mention 16 other AFL teams will rape and pillage the BEST players from the SANFL and other comp because they will then have no allegiance to us and nothing stopping them offering the likes of Suckling, Jarrad, Mecredie, Wundke and the like more $$$ and better facilities and opportunity. this way the 8 clubs get to set the guidelines of who they can use as top up players.

In a perfect world the crows and port would continue with the status quo as it seems to have worked pretty well for 20 years, but that isnt what is going to happen so how about the clubs do the best thing for the clubs and make sure they survive the next 10 years! because currently sturt and west are on their knees and others could follow if they faulter even the slightest

[UK Fan]

So let me get this straight. the Crows say all we want is a team in the league comp, the 8 SANFL teams can set the rules and reg's surrounding how, when and where. and they are the ones copping it from you lot??

Yes, you have it straight. Congrats.

[teaoby]

So let me get this straight. the Crows say all we want is a team in the league comp, the 8 SANFL teams can set the rules and reg's surrounding how, when and where. and they are the ones copping it from you lot??

Yes, you have it straight. Congrats.

Each to their own.

Can i ask a direct question UK Fan. And im not trying to be a smart arse, its a genuine question.

IF they are in next year, and round 1, Centrals play Norwood at Elizabeth how does that change your enjoyment of that game? or any other game against a traditional SANFL team?

[areaman]

So let me get this straight. the Crows say all we want is a team in the league comp, the 8 SANFL teams can set the rules and reg's surrounding how, when and where. and they are the ones copping it from you lot??

Secondly. If there is a National AFL reserves comp they Crows and Power not to mention 16 other AFL teams will rape and pillage the BEST players from the SANFL and other comp because they will then have no allegiance to us and nothing stopping them offering the likes of Suckling, Jarrad, Mecredie, Wundke and the like more $$$ and better facilities and opportunity. this way the 8 clubs get to set the guidelines of who they can use as top up players.

In a perfect world the crows and port would continue with the status quo as it seems to have worked pretty well for 20 years, but that isnt what is going to happen so how about the clubs do the best thing for the clubs and make sure they survive the next 10 years! because currently sturt and west are on their knees and others could follow if they faulter even the slightest

You really think the AFL clubs will offer top up players big money to play reserves football?

Please educate us. Lay out a proper plan.

And before you start, a proper plan involves more than just telling us that the SANFL is a dying comp and we should all be grateful for a bit more attention.

[tipper]

So let me get this straight. the Crows say all we want is a team in the league comp, the 8 SANFL teams can set the rules and reg's surrounding how, when and where. and they are the ones copping it from you lot??

Yes, you have it straight. Congrats.

Amazing isn't it. I didn't think it was that difficult a concept to grasp. We don't like either the port or crows model. Both can take their reserves sides elsewhere thank you very much

[twosheds]

So let me get this straight. the Crows say all we want is a team in the league comp, the 8 SANFL teams can set the rules and reg's surrounding how, when and where. and they are the ones copping it from you lot??

Yes, you have it straight. Congrats.

Each to their own.

Can i ask a direct question UK Fan. And im not trying to be a smart arse, its a genuine question.

IF they are in next year, and round 1, Centrals play Norwood at Elizabeth how does that change your enjoyment of that game? or any other game against a traditional SANFL team?

Because at another ground that weekend an SANFL club will be playing a "team" that is not trying to win but rather trying to "develop" players thus making a mockery of the competition.

[teaoby]

You really think the AFL clubs will offer top up players big money to play reserves football?

Please educate us. Lay out a proper plan.

And before you start, a proper plan involves more than just telling us that the SANFL is a dying comp and we should all be grateful for a bit more attention.

AFL clubs like Collingwood already do offer SANFL players very good money equal to what they get now, so yes i do. plus the fact that they are under the eyes of the AFL coaches and use their facilities.

Im not saying the SANFL is a dying comp, some clubs are rooted, yes. but as far as a state based comp i think it is reasonably healthy.
personally as i said i would like it to stay as is. i think the AFL guys playing for each Club adds to the comp.

I dont have an ultimate solution, there are way to many variables to be put in the pot for it to be completely clear how it will work. BUT i do think the SANFL is better off having the AFL listed players still playing in front of South Australian crowds rather then losing touch with these guys completely.

[Aerie]

You really think the AFL clubs will offer top up players big money to play reserves football?

Please educate us. Lay out a proper plan.

And before you start, a proper plan involves more than just telling us that the SANFL is a dying comp and we should all be grateful for a bit more attention.

That is the great unknown.

They say clubs are on their knees - no more so than some AFL clubs including Port. Yet the AFL (or SANFL in Port's case) bail them out.

IF the SANFL decided to use the money they do have to support the SANFL clubs I see no reason why the SANFL can't truly become the strongest State League in the land AND thwart the threat of Reserves teams.

It just doesn't seem that that is the priority within the SANFL unfortunately. And certainly any level below AFL is not considered important, other than a recruiting ground, in the eyes of the AFL.

If every other State league in the land wants to bow to the AFL, that is fine. The SANFL has always been different and there is no reason this situation can't be a win for everyone if some respect for the SANFL is shown by all parties.

So, it all comes down to the SANFL it self. Thanks to decisions in the past, they have their future in their own hands. Hopefully those in charge so some intestinal fortitude and make sure this fork in the road is a positive one for football in South Australia.

PS. The Crows need to take away their slogan "The Team for all South Australians". They are clearly so far removed from what they once were meant to represent that they are less a team for any South Australians than any of the 9 SANFL clubs.

[Aerie]

You really think the AFL clubs will offer top up players big money to play reserves football?

Please educate us. Lay out a proper plan.

And before you start, a proper plan involves more than just telling us that the SANFL is a dying comp and we should all be grateful for a bit more attention.

AFL clubs like Collingwood already do offer SANFL players very good money equal to what they get now, so yes i do. plus the fact that they are under the eyes of the AFL coaches and use their facilities.

Im not saying the SANFL is a dying comp, some clubs are rooted, yes. but as far as a state based comp i think it is reasonably healthy.
personally as i said i would like it to stay as is. i think the AFL guys playing for each Club adds to the comp.

I dont have an ultimate solution, there are way to many variables to be put in the pot for it to be completely clear how it will work. BUT i do think the SANFL is better off having the AFL listed players still playing in front of South Australian crowds rather then losing touch with these guys completely.

Which SANFL players have gone to Collingwood? Besides those drafted?

[saintal]

Those two idiots on AA have got me so pissed off.
Would love to belt that knob McDermott, saying that denying the Cows entry is stupid and would be the death of the SANFL, then he goes on to say that Port need to worry about the Power and not worry about the Magpies or their 2500 members. Reckons Port cant be held back by memories and need to look after their future

Yep. The likes of these clowns and Roo have taken too many knocks around the head. Bone argues that without the presence of AFL players, SANFL crowds will fall to 500 a game. So how does the Crows having a reserves team help the attendance of a South v West, Centrals, Eagles etc game. Looks like the league is stuffed regardless of what happens by his way of thinking. The bloke is thick as bricks.

[teaoby]

You really think the AFL clubs will offer top up players big money to play reserves football?

Please educate us. Lay out a proper plan.

And before you start, a proper plan involves more than just telling us that the SANFL is a dying comp and we should all be grateful for a bit more attention.

AFL clubs like Collingwood already do offer SANFL players very good money equal to what they get now, so yes i do. plus the fact that they are under the eyes of the AFL coaches and use their facilities.

Im not saying the SANFL is a dying comp, some clubs are rooted, yes. but as far as a state based comp i think it is reasonably healthy.
personally as i said i would like it to stay as is. i think the AFL guys playing for each Club adds to the comp.

I dont have an ultimate solution, there are way to many variables to be put in the pot for it to be completely clear how it will work. BUT i do think the SANFL is better off having the AFL listed players still playing in front of South Australian crowds rather then losing touch with these guys completely.

Which SANFL players have gone to Collingwood? Besides those drafted?

Offered, haven't gone due to the SANFL club coming to the party

[Seaford Panther]

How would the top-up system work anyway? If a player is contracted to play for one of the SANFL teams, it would have to be with that club's blessing that they play with an AFL reserves team. Which team would be willing to do that?

[Jim05]

How would the top-up system work anyway? If a player is contacted to play for one of the SANFL teams, it would have to be with that club's blessing that they play with an AFL reserves team. Which team would be willing to do that?

Exactly, id love Norwood to tell them to get stuffed they are not taking any players.

[teaoby]

How would the top-up system work anyway? If a player is contacted to play for one of the SANFL teams, it would have to be with that club's blessing that they play with an AFL reserves team. Which team would be willing to do that?

Exactly, id love Norwood to tell them to get stuffed they are not taking any players.

Top up players would potentially come from clubs 35-50 list. Who are generally guys clubs see as not a chance of playing league footy. Go knows how it works when those guys aren't playing for the afl team? Do they go back to the sanfl club? Messy IMO

[Aerie]

How would the top-up system work anyway? If a player is contracted to play for one of the SANFL teams, it would have to be with that club's blessing that they play with an AFL reserves team. Which team would be willing to do that?

Yep, it makes no sense. They want to take Reserves players out of the SANFL clubs so they can use in their AFL Reserves team. So what would be the point of the SANFL clubs having Reserves? Isn't that contradicting the reason for Reserves in the first place - which is the whole point of this debate. Plus, you'd have up to a dozen average players bringing the whole competition down in standard. Not to mention the existing Crows players on the list that aren't up to league standard getting gifted games.