WHO WILL WALK IF - Crows/Port Reserves discussion

[dedja]

no problem ...

[JamesH]

The VFL have made it clear that they will not accept the Crows or Port

[beenreal]

I could see how frustrating it would be for Port "One Club" Supporters - glad it is not my club.

No frustration here. My club focused such an enormous amount of energy to get to play at the highest level, yet some of its supporters (not just here) want the club to focus all its resources on the SANFL division.

That puts them at odds with PAFC greats like Bob McLean, Fos Williams, Brian Cunningham, etc. who all bought into the club charter to excel at the highest level possible.

As for the VFL, last time I looked it was for Victorian clubs. Just as the SANFL is for SA clubs, of which Port Adelaide is a member. That's the reality, like it or not.

[dedja]

No frustration here. My club focused such an enormous amount of energy to get to play at the highest level, yet some of its supporters (not just here) want the club to focus all its resources on the SANFL division.

That puts them at odds with PAFC greats like Bob McLean, Fos Williams, Brian Cunningham, etc. who all bought into the club charter to excel at the highest level possible.

Then faark off from the SANFl then ...

[Aerie]

Godds has just made himself public enemy no.1, good comments by Collins but he forgot to mention his pay packet may also influenced his move to West, and Bone, what else would you expect from an ex hack North coach?

This is from Michael Godden's Coach's Report this week:

"I would also like to take this opportunity to ensure you all as valued members of the Eagles Football Club that if you have heard my comments regarding the AFL Reserves team in the media there is in no way any thought in my mind I want the SANFL to be compromised. You will be hard pressed to find anyone more passionate about the SANFL than me. I have dedicated my life to it for 25 years, 21 of them at league level. I have my concerns about the competition in the future and I want to see it flourish. What I am saying is why should we put our heads in the sand and not at least listen to the proposals. We can always reject them. My worries are with the influence that the AFL has had on all other State Leagues, and I believe they could try with us so if there is going to be pressure on us to change our competition in any way then we should at least try to control the way it happens to keep our competition unique and passionate. I am sure our President Kurt Slaven, along with our Board will make sure the Eagles Football Club’s interests are looked after and we can see the Eagles Football Club flourish for many more years to come."

[Booney]

No frustration here. My club focused such an enormous amount of energy to get to play at the highest level, yet some of its supporters (not just here) want the club to focus all its resources on the SANFL division.

That puts them at odds with PAFC greats like Bob McLean, Fos Williams, Brian Cunningham, etc. who all bought into the club charter to excel at the highest level possible.

Then faark off from the SANFl then ...

You followed Norwood for long?

[dedja]

only for this week ...

[JamesH]

Godds has just made himself public enemy no.1, good comments by Collins but he forgot to mention his pay packet may also influenced his move to West, and Bone, what else would you expect from an ex hack North coach?

This is from Michael Godden's Coach's Report this week:

"I would also like to take this opportunity to ensure you all as valued members of the Eagles Football Club that if you have heard my comments regarding the AFL Reserves team in the media there is in no way any thought in my mind I want the SANFL to be compromised. You will be hard pressed to find anyone more passionate about the SANFL than me. I have dedicated my life to it for 25 years, 21 of them at league level. I have my concerns about the competition in the future and I want to see it flourish. What I am saying is why should we put our heads in the sand and not at least listen to the proposals. We can always reject them. My worries are with the influence that the AFL has had on all other State Leagues, and I believe they could try with us so if there is going to be pressure on us to change our competition in any way then we should at least try to control the way it happens to keep our competition unique and passionate. I am sure our President Kurt Slaven, along with our Board will make sure the Eagles Football Club’s interests are looked after and we can see the Eagles Football Club flourish for many more years to come."

Thats the point I have been trying to make. if it does happen at least let it happen on our terms instead of turning into AFL SA.

[Aerie]

Godds has just made himself public enemy no.1, good comments by Collins but he forgot to mention his pay packet may also influenced his move to West, and Bone, what else would you expect from an ex hack North coach?

This is from Michael Godden's Coach's Report this week:

"I would also like to take this opportunity to ensure you all as valued members of the Eagles Football Club that if you have heard my comments regarding the AFL Reserves team in the media there is in no way any thought in my mind I want the SANFL to be compromised. You will be hard pressed to find anyone more passionate about the SANFL than me. I have dedicated my life to it for 25 years, 21 of them at league level. I have my concerns about the competition in the future and I want to see it flourish. What I am saying is why should we put our heads in the sand and not at least listen to the proposals. We can always reject them. My worries are with the influence that the AFL has had on all other State Leagues, and I believe they could try with us so if there is going to be pressure on us to change our competition in any way then we should at least try to control the way it happens to keep our competition unique and passionate. I am sure our President Kurt Slaven, along with our Board will make sure the Eagles Football Club’s interests are looked after and we can see the Eagles Football Club flourish for many more years to come."

Thats the point I have been trying to make. if it does happen at least let it happen on our terms instead of turning into AFL SA.

Yes, as many have said, all scenarios need to be put on the table. Godden is spot on.

So many questions...

Financially, what is going to be done with West Lakes? I've seen the plans etc. but what does that mean $ wise for the SANFL and its clubs, short term and long term?

In an ideal world I would have thought some of the land would be sold off and a cash injection to put all clubs in a position of strength. The rest would be developed to provide income for many years to come and allow the SANFL to stand alone.

What is going to be done with the Power and the Crows? Sell both licenses? Again, a short term cash injection. How much money will the SANFL make from the SMA?

It seems to me that with West Lakes being freed up to be used commercially with AFL moving to Adelaide Oval, the SANFL should be in a position of strength?

If for some reason the SANFL is not in a position of strength, or even if they are, they could entertain proposals from the AFL.

Then when everything is on the table, a decision can be made.

[Pseudo]

Sorry if this is tangential to the thread, but I couldn't think of where else to post this. A question for someone with WAFL knowledge. ( @FOURTH ESTATE? )

Consider the following quote from this article: http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/ea ... 6609170621

The game was full of AFL-listed talent with Peel's team consisting of nine players from Fremantle while East Fremantle had 10 in total, made up of five Eagles and five Dockers.

I thought all of the Eagles reserves were supposed to go to one team, East Perth? What is East Fremantle doing with five AFL listed players from either side?

[Aerie]

I don't think the full transition of existing players will be made until next year in the WAFL.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/west-c ... 6507394291

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Correct full transistion next year. East Perth and Peel swapped players on their lists over the summer and all players at the remaining 7 clubs will move next year. Not a lot of happy people.

As explained already Cale Morton son of Claremont legend Noel Morton returned to the West this year from Melbourne and now has to play at East Perth not Claremont his home club. If Kane Mitchell had been rookie listed again by Fremantle next season Claremont would lose one of its best players. 2 time premiership player and Sandover Medallist to Peel Thunder and yet no guarantee of an AFL spot at Freo. Not a good setup and is already showing to be a disaster with the performances of the two clubs in question.

Want reserves go to the VFL

[Pseudo]

ah, righto. Thanks.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

The deal will not begin in full until 2014, but transitional arrangements will affect the WAFL competition for season 2013.

All interstate players taken by West Coast and Fremantle in the national, pre-season and rookie drafts were placed with the Royals and Thunder immediately.

The AFL clubs will pay $450,000 a year under the deal, with all nine WAFL clubs expected to receive an additional $100,000 in their annual grants as a result of the arrangement.

It is understood East Perth and Peel will continue to wear their current guernseys and remain known as the Royals and Thunder.

WAFL council of presidents chairman Haydn Raitt, who had been an opponent of the bid for reserves teams, said the WAFL clubs would have to learn to live with the new arrangement and focus on gaining maximum financial benefit from it.

Back-to-Back premiers Claremont and East Fremantle will be the clubs hardest hit for playing stocks given the big proportion of AFL-listed players on their lists.

Debate over the desire of WA's two AFL clubs to have reserves teams in the WAFL has raged since a formal joint proposal from the Eagles and Dockers was knocked back last year.

Several alternative plans, including a model where AFL reserves teams would play WAFL sides on their bye weekends, did not gain support from the nine WAFL clubs.

The WAFL clubs were not able to vote on the host club reserves model.


The scary part was that the clubs had no voting rights on the matter.

What Vlad wants he will get.

To make all State leagues non important so his product survies and no body goes to any game but his

[Tiger Couple]

Having growen up as a kid watching ALL the Crows game on TV and getting to a Glenelg game when I knew someone going, I have these days switched to a Glenelg Fan who goes to every game and watches the Crows if they are on when I am home.

AFL Reserves will happen no matter how much we hate the idea. I believe the AFL should set up there own Reserves Comp like the Holden Cup and Youth League Soccer. Yes it will cost money but they are racking in enough and I'm sure if they could get people to sponsor the Foxtel Cup then they could get Sponsors for the Reserves and can the Foxtel Cup.

However I see this for whatever reason they have as unlikely to happen.

What I would be happy to see happen if Reserves sides must happen is the following:
Adelaide Crows become the 10th Team in the SANFL Reserves - Supplementary players can be made up from U/18 Team on the Bye. This would allow the SANFL Club to have a look at some players playing at the Reserves level without having to fit them into there own team.
Port Power could take the place of the Port Magpies SANFL Reserves side - Players not selected for SANFL League duty would be used to top up the Reserves. It would reduce the size of the Port squad which would help them to cut costs.

This would not harm the integrity of the SANFL League Comp yet would provide the AFL Clubs with what they want.

[dedja]

A side issue perhaps, but how the hell will Port be able to afford a reserves side if it eventuates considering they drain the SANFL of a 7 figure sum every year? ... especially when they eventually work out that the returns at Adelaide Oval minus the SANFL bailout aren't a sustainable business?

[PhilH]

FOOT-e TIMES SA is now running a survey on this matter, encouraging all SANFL fans to have their say.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NR2WKYP

All welcome to contribute their thoughts.

If a large response can be achieved it will be good material to pass back to the SANFL clubs.

[Failed Creation]

FOOT-e TIMES SA is now running a survey on this matter, encouraging all SANFL fans to have their say.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NR2WKYP

All welcome to contribute their thoughts.

If a large response can be achieved it will be good material to pass back to the SANFL clubs.

Done.

[Mic]

The AFL premierships have been fairly dominated by the interstate teams in the past 15 years. Did Sydney, West Coast and Brisbane have reserves teams during their successful years? I don't understand the sudden need for reserves teams.

[DOC]

I could see how frustrating it would be for Port "One Club" Supporters - glad it is not my club.

No frustration here. My club focused such an enormous amount of energy to get to play at the highest level, yet some of its supporters (not just here) want the club to focus all its resources on the SANFL division.

That puts them at odds with PAFC greats like Bob McLean, Fos Williams, Brian Cunningham, etc. who all bought into the club charter to excel at the highest level possible.

As for the VFL, last time I looked it was for Victorian clubs. Just as the SANFL is for SA clubs, of which Port Adelaide is a member. That's the reality, like it or not.

Nope. You are not a member. Remember. You left. Your choice. Dead and buried.