Port Magpies

[sjt]

If I set up a Bank account to accept donations, however small they may be to the PAMFC, who would contribute?

Not currently. Not until some of their own "supporters", that I know, actually support them first. Then only if they can instigate a workable business plan this time around, after a life-line.

[sjt]

"This situation cannot be resolved or overcome through football operations or with community fund-raising drives. It requires a new operating model."

Via previous mis-management they got in this mess, now they're facing up to it and hopefully with strong management and perhaps a reduction in debt levels they can manage themselves out of it.

[fish]

If I set up a Bank account to accept donations, however small they may be to the PAMFC, who would contribute?

Hey Booney what about some sort of auction or ebay sale where Port supporters could sell off their belongings as a donation to the club? Weapons, Ugg boots, fake front teeth etc.

[Booney]

Used flares?

[Dogwatcher]

If I set up a Bank account to accept donations, however small they may be to the PAMFC, who would contribute?

Hey Booney what about some sort of auction or ebay sale where Port supporters could sell off their belongings as a donation to the club? Weapons, Ugg boots, fake front teeth etc.

Matteeeeee......struth.
Talked about giving him an opportunity to bag us!

[Booney]

If I set up a Bank account to accept donations, however small they may be to the PAMFC, who would contribute?

Hey Booney what about some sort of auction or ebay sale where Port supporters could sell off their belongings as a donation to the club? Weapons, Ugg boots, fake front teeth etc.

Matteeeeee......struth.
Talked about giving him an opportunity to bag us!

I had to be somewhat measured in these times of financial hardship. Us Magpies cant spend all our insults at once.

[zipzap]

Power fielding a team in the SANFL must never be allowed to happen IMO

[topsywaldron]

Talks about 2011 Power to field an SANFL team (not an AFL reserves side).

Can someone explain this too me? How can a Power team in the SANFL not be an AFL reserves side?

The Power already exert a Pravda style control over their players in the SANFL, witness any of Matt Thomas' thirty handball and two kicks games for Norwood this year, so why do they need to go further? Has the competition structure that delivered the Power a flag five years ago already been discredited?

I don't want the Magpies to leave the comp, it'd be the start of the end of the SANFL imho, but if the price of their continued tenure is the complete destruction of second tier football in this state then I'd reconsider that stance.

[Macca19]

Yeah, not sure how you can have an AFL reserves side thats not an AFL reserves side


I think it could work if all interstate draftees went to the Magpies, with local draftees staying at their original club.

How the Crows will respond and whether they would want a similar thing with a club would be interesting.

[Wedgie]

I think its a great idea, with the Power's recent fantastic record in dealing with finances surely the only smart thing to do is give them control of another business!

In all seriousness they should find an interim between the current setup and the extreme "merge". As mentioned previously if facilities were shared they could cut down on staff and do things more efficiently from the same premises.

[Country Cousin]

Talks about 2011 Power to field an SANFL team (not an AFL reserves side).

Can someone explain this too me? How can a Power team in the SANFL not be an AFL reserves side?

I agree. Either the current Port Magpies find a way to overcome their problems and survive in their own right, as a number of other SANFL clubs have done in recent years, or they're dead. A Power takeover, to field a reserves team in the SANFL, is not an acceptable option. It should be remembered that the original plan when the Power was first created, was for it to be the Port Adelaide FC, full stop and to move out of the SANFL and into the AFL. The subsequent creation of this Port Magpies entity, half at Alberton and half at Ethelton has demonstrably failed and unless it can turn itself around in the next 12 months, it should be put out of its misery and Port Adelaide fans should focus on their club in the AFL.

[Apachebulldog]

We do not want a Power Puff Reserve side in SANFL we are not part of the VFL is this an attempt to try and get the Power Puffs into a winning routine ????? What a joke, if they want a reserves side send them to the VFL simple.

SANFL admin is losing the plot where were you when Sturt, North and now Norwood were struggling financially???????

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beenreal]

The 2 clubs have been talking about this behind closed doors for most of the year. As the announcement says, any association will mean the Magpies will continue playing as an SANFL team not a Power reserves.

As the PAFC is an established club, our recruits should be playing together at Alberton. Taking into account injuries, juniors etc. the Magpies League side would be made up of less than half Power players. I can't for the life of me see a rational objection. Let the Cows continue to spread their players among the remaining 8 clubs. After all, are they not "the team for all (other) South Australians?"

[topsywaldron]

The 2 clubs have been talking about this behind closed doors for most of the year. As the announcement says, any association will mean the Magpies will continue playing as an SANFL team not a Power reserves.

Sophistry pure and simple. If it looks, smells and sounds like an AFL reserves club then that's what it is no matter what stinking prison bar outfit you put on them.

As the PAFC is an established club, our recruits should be playing together at Alberton.

Why? You won a flag five years ago, the Power knew the deal when it applied for a license so why now does it make sense to destroy the SANFL to prop up a poorly run club?

I can't for the life of me see a rational objection.

What you propose failed miserably in the WAFL and was discarded after a year.

Once again this is a huge play by Port, both of them, to ream the competition that made them what they were/are. I would strongly suggest that if this was the only option presented to the Commission it would be bye bye Magpies.

For me the whole question revolves around this quote from the Magpie's President.

The challenge confronting the Port Magpies is different to that of other SANFL clubs because, unlike them, Port Magpies does not own its licensed club and has minimal reserves or investments, other than the Prince of Wales Hotel, which is substantially funded by debt when it was acquired in 2006

To me that's not an admission that there are special circumstances relating to the relationship between the Power and the Magpies, it simply means that they haven't been very good at running a football club for ten years. At some stage since the Power came in, North, Norwood, Sturt and West have been in perilous financial strife and have come through the other side. Why can't Port do the same?

[am Bays]

OK, after 11 pages I'll bite on this thread

I'm feeling weak all over saying this but I agree 100% with Topsy.

I've been googleing WAFL and AFL alligned players to find the information on the one year the WAFL tried and realised how much it compromised their competion by allowing West Coast and Freo to have "reserves" teams. As Topsy said the experiment lasted for one year only....

I bet in 1996-97 every other SANFL club would've loved the $1 Million profit (which Ferret head so proudly proclaimed on the back-page of the 'Tiser) the Magpies had with the transfer of players which included those of the ilk of Evans, Pedler and Clayton (IIRC) to the Power.

Where has that money gone??? If they didn't over-pay hacks they wouldn't be in this position and used that money wisely to sure up their longterm financial position well there wouldn't be a need for this.

As Topsy so correctly said Port Magpies are guilty of gross mis-management why should they be bailed out or given an allignment with an AFL Franchise that the 8 other clubs don't enjoy.

Beenreal you ask who wont agree with it, I can give you 8 names already, the 8 other SANFL League Directors who will give this fanciful plan the kybosh it deserves.

[Barto]

I think it could work if all interstate draftees went to the Magpies, with local draftees staying at their original club.

There's nothing wrong with this proposal that I can see.

[topsywaldron]

I think it could work if all interstate draftees went to the Magpies, with local draftees staying at their original club.

There's nothing wrong with this proposal that I can see.

Agreed, I reckon rewarding incompetence is the way forward for footy in SA.

[85 WAS A GOOD YEAR]

I have ben reading this forum with interest. However I admit I am a Die Hard Bruce Webber hating One-Eyed Glenelg Supporter. Therefore I don't have a true understanding of the day-to-day happenings of the Magpies Club other than what I hear from mates, on here and the media.

The Magpies don't have any revenue coming in from the licenced premises. This is Issue Number 1. As the Power is also in big financial trouble they will not compromise in their present stand of hanging on to ALL money coming in from the licenced club - so I can't see how this predicament will change in the near future.
What are the Magpies doing about enticing people to go to their own Pub instead of the Power's club after matches and during the week, to help bring in money directly back to their own club?

Major Issue No 2 - Port Power is receiving nearly all the Sponsorship $$ from "old" magpies businesses/ sponsors who followed them over to AFL, as well as new ones who want to be linked to an AFL club. Hence little of their old sponsorship network is left for SANFL Port Adelaide. They therefore have to go outside their established network and try and entice people to get on board.
This is not easy in a state where I believe the old saying is still true - you either love Port Adelaide or hate them. There is no in-between.

Sturt, South and North had the support of SA to stay afloat. Unfortunately I don't believe PAM do.

[Macca19]

What you propose failed miserably in the WAFL and was discarded after a year.

I think that was with all players playing for the one club, as opposed to only interstate recruits playing for the one club.

If its just the interstate recruits, then I cant see it being a huge problem, or pushing PAM towards a flag.

Just using the last three seasons as an example, the players Port drafted from interstate:
08: Trengove, Banner, Davenport, Laurie
07: Lobbe, Farmer, Boyle
06: Thomas, Boak, Krakouer, Gray, Williams, Rodan, Lee, Grose, Batsanis, Hardy

Take into account delistees who at least 50% tend to head back home (Deluca, Lonie, Bentley etc) so would leave.

From that list Davenport, Boak, Gray & Rodan have spent most of the time at AFL level, Thomas and Krakour a mix, whilst Lobbe, Farmer, Boyle, Laurie, Lee, Grose, Batsanis and Hardy have spent most of their time at SANFL reserves level (indicating thats their level....its not like they would dominate once all in the same team at league level).

I think this particular idea holds some merit. Moving all draftees to the one club would not work as I think its better for young AFL players to play SANFL footy with the mates theyve grown through the ranks with.

[Macca19]

I bet in 1996-97 every other SANFL club would've loved the $1 Million profit (which Ferret head so proudly proclaimed on the back-page of the 'Tiser) the Magpies had with the transfer of players which included those of the ilk of Evans, Pedler and Clayton (IIRC) to the Power.

Pedler was a Crow, Clayton was never drafted.

Other clubs were well looked after with transfer fees. I think Norwood had 6 players on the original list, CD and WWT had about 10 between then, North had 2 or 3 for example. Every club got money for transfers, not just the PAM. The PAM had more players on the original list though.