Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

[am Bays]

Is everyone arguing on the same side as their club's official position on the issue

Nup!

My club is arguing for the Status quo, keep the 17s and 19s, I'm arguing for the 19s and an abridged 17s competition as per teh Eagles proposal.

[smac]

Is everyone arguing on the same side as their club's official position on the issue

I don't have enough information to have a position of my own. From what I have been told, I am not certain that all of the necessary information was presented to the clubs to enable an informed decision to be made. Regardless, a decision has been made, here's hoping it at least is a forward step - time will tell.

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Is everyone arguing on the same side as their club's official position on the issue

From what I have been told, I am not certain that all of the necessary information was presented to the clubs to enable an informed decision to be made.

Interesting.

[whatever]

My SANFL club wants to keep it as it is

My AFL club wants the change.

So I guess if following my club I could get into either corner.

[JK]

It was taken to the vote and passed so how about a few clubs stop bitching and complaining and accept the majority decision.
If in a few years it seems to be going pear shaped, bring it up again for another vote.

Now that the decision has been made, I reckon this comment of G's is very appropriate, we all move with it and re-address of it turns out a failure.

[whatever]

I actually went to watch a game of college football today.

It really is pretty crap, some of the kids I have seen struggle to have an impact in the SANFL this year were dominant and the bottom end of teams lists are really scrubber types who would not get near a sanfl under 17 team.

I am now convince the schools think the football is a lot better than it actually is.

Mind you the fight in the last quarter gave good entertainment value.

[Big Phil]

I actually went to watch a game of college football today.

It really is pretty crap, some of the kids I have seen struggle to have an impact in the SANFL this year were dominant and the bottom end of teams lists are really scrubber types who would not get near a sanfl under 17 team.

I am now convince the schools think the football is a lot better than it actually is.

Mind you the fight in the last quarter gave good entertainment value.

Who'd you watch whatever ???

[Macca19]

Firstly, whoever said that a player has to play U18's for the first half of the season is just wrong. If an Under 18 is good enough for League, he will be able to play League at any time. He won't be able to play Reserves for the first half of the season.

So in the new system, an U18 player will be able to play league but not reserves in the first half of the season? Is that correct?

[redandblack]

Firstly, whoever said that a player has to play U18's for the first half of the season is just wrong. If an Under 18 is good enough for League, he will be able to play League at any time. He won't be able to play Reserves for the first half of the season.

So in the new system, an U18 player will be able to play league but not reserves in the first half of the season? Is that correct?

Yes, macca, that's correct.

[Macca19]

How many mature-age recruits have come from the SANFL over the past few years compared to other leagues, especially the WAFL?

Not sure about the other leagues, but since 2003, these players have been mature aged recruits from the SANFL:

Eddie Sansbury
Sam Fisher
Shane Tuck
Paul Thomas
Elijah Ware
Bernie Vince
Joel Patfull
Matt Stokes
Jason Porplyzia
Jason Roe
Lenny Clark
Paul Stewart
Alwyn Davey
Nick Gill
Justin Westhoff
Bryce Campbell
Adam Cockshell
Gavin Hughes
Andrew Mcintyre
Rhys Archard
Matthew Campbell
Matthew Westhoff
Nathan Grima
Nick Salter
Alan Obst
Michael Wundke

[Macca19]

Firstly, whoever said that a player has to play U18's for the first half of the season is just wrong. If an Under 18 is good enough for League, he will be able to play League at any time. He won't be able to play Reserves for the first half of the season.

So in the new system, an U18 player will be able to play league but not reserves in the first half of the season? Is that correct?

Yes, macca, that's correct.

Am I the only one that finds that strange?

So if youve got a player in the U18 and they get best on ground for a few weeks then their option is either straight to league or stay where they are?

Where is the player development in that?

[redandblack]

Macca, we're talking about a period of about 8 weeks or so. Are you saying their development will be better if they're playing Reserves, rather than the new U18 comp, for a few weeks?

League clubs are smarter in their development of players than that.

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Macca, we're talking about a period of about 8 weeks or so. Are you saying their development will be better if they're playing Reserves, rather than the new U18 comp, for a few weeks?

League clubs are smarter in their development of players than that.

Is there a particular reason why that has to be, or is it one of those things that this system brings that "doesn't matter".

[whatever]

I actually went to watch a game of college football today.

It really is pretty crap, some of the kids I have seen struggle to have an impact in the SANFL this year were dominant and the bottom end of teams lists are really scrubber types who would not get near a sanfl under 17 team.

I am now convince the schools think the football is a lot better than it actually is.

Mind you the fight in the last quarter gave good entertainment value.

Who'd you watch whatever ???

Rostrevor v Sacred Heart

[Dirko]

Rostrevor v Sacred Heart

How much SH win by ? and who won the fight

[whatever]

SH by about 10 goals.

I dont know about the fight, spot fires starting everywhere. One rostrevor kid off with the blood rule (nose) one free kick to SH

[redandblack]

I'm unsure you can lecture on the merits of going ferla R&B, you're pushing that boundary yourself.

I also wouldn't sit in the glass house at Richmond and throw stones about player payments, when the windows break all sorts of skeletons may fall out. Try sticking to the debate and the merits of the incoming system.

I would have thought that TM and I, although disagreeing, have had a polite, respectful and interesting debate, smac - certainly not remotely feral.

As for Centrals reaction, not turning up to another Club's luncheon because of their stand is somewhat feral, i would have thought, let alone the hysterical media campaign. They're part of a league that made a majority decision, by 6 votes to 4, I presume, and can't accept that majority decision.

As for player payments, I have no doubt that all clubs have transgressed at times. I stand by my statement about Central, in particular.

[Macca19]

Macca, we're talking about a period of about 8 weeks or so. Are you saying their development will be better if they're playing Reserves, rather than the new U18 comp, for a few weeks?

League clubs are smarter in their development of players than that.

I just find that counter-development. If youve got a kid on the fringe of the reserves, just misses out for the first match, ends up BOG for 2-3-4 weeks in a row, hes stuck in the U18s for half the season. Wheres the reward for good form for the U18 guys?

For example, this year, Nick Frost was named in Ports best players in the U19s for each of the first three games and was rewarded with his first reserves game in Round 4. Corey Grove kicked 13 goals in the first 3 matches and was rewarded with his first reserves game in Round 4. How is this not good for their development?

What happens with injuries? What if 4-5 senior guys are out, plus 4-5 reserves guys are out? Reserves have to find 10 players, do the U18 guys move up then?

Id love to know the thought process behind that. It just seems like a pointless rule. What does it achieve?

[smac]

I'm unsure you can lecture on the merits of going ferla R&B, you're pushing that boundary yourself.

I also wouldn't sit in the glass house at Richmond and throw stones about player payments, when the windows break all sorts of skeletons may fall out. Try sticking to the debate and the merits of the incoming system.

I would have thought that TM and I, although disagreeing, have had a polite, respectful and interesting debate, smac - certainly not remotely feral.

As for Centrals reaction, not turning up to another Club's luncheon because of their stand is somewhat feral, i would have thought, let alone the hysterical media campaign. They're part of a league that made a majority decision, by 6 votes to 4, I presume, and can't accept that majority decision.

As for player payments, I have no doubt that all clubs have transgressed at times. I stand by my statement about Central, in particular.

Your debate with TM has been great to follow. Your choice to "play the man and not the ball" by bringing up things outside of this debate so you can have a crack at Centrals is what I was referring to, not your style normally and I'm surprised you did it.

[Ian]

smac,

the way I read redandblack's post, he wasn't having a go "outside the topic", he was having a go at centrals for starting a scare campain in the media, not accepting the majority decision, and having a dummy spit and not turning up to the luncheon at Prospect.