Membership numbers

[am Bays]

Back to the subject.

One issue with membership numbers is that they are calculated differently by different clubs.

As an example Eagles had approx 900 junior members signed up under its auskick parternship not included in the 2009 figures which were approx 2100.
whilst according to the September 2009 Panther News South included its 700 kids under this program in their figures which were approx 1800.

BTW in 2010, that Eagles partnership has now been further extended accross metro clubs, schools and country teams in the zone which should see at least 2,500 junior (under 18) members in the club this year. Convert a reasonable percentage of these into loyal fans and it can be the foundation of a supporter base for years to come

Glenleg do the same with School footy ~ 700 kids, They created a new membership category in 2009 - Tiger membership. Not counted in official membership figures though.

[Mr Irate]

Back to the subject.

One issue with membership numbers is that they are calculated differently by different clubs.

As an example Eagles had approx 900 junior members signed up under its auskick parternship not included in the 2009 figures which were approx 2100.
whilst according to the September 2009 Panther News South included its 700 kids under this program in their figures which were approx 1800.

BTW in 2010, that Eagles partnership has now been further extended accross metro clubs, schools and country teams in the zone which should see at least 2,500 junior (under 18) members in the club this year. Convert a reasonable percentage of these into loyal fans and it can be the foundation of a supporter base for years to come

Glenleg do the same with School footy ~ 700 kids, They created a new membership category in 2009 - Tiger membership. Not counted in official membership figures though.

Glenleg ???? Keep well away from those Banner making nights !!!!

[The Apostle]

You've completely missed my point. There was certainly many more than 5000 at the Ponderosa that night. Anecdotally I've heard about clubs underestimating attendances to reduce payments to the SANFL.

That's a pretty big accusation!!!...

[beenreal]

You've completely missed my point. There was certainly many more than 5000 at the Ponderosa that night. Anecdotally I've heard about clubs underestimating attendances to reduce payments to the SANFL.

That's a pretty big accusation!!!...

The last dictionary I read listed an anecdote as something different to an accusation.

[PhilH]

It's a wonderfull conspiracy theory to suggest that clubs lessen the attendences so clubs lessen the gate money they pay to the SANFL.

Except for that one little snag ... called FACTS

FACT IS
- At every SANFL minor round game it is SANFL staff that collect gate money for the league
- At every SANFL minor game it is SANFL staff that count those coming through the gate and provide the attendence figure.
- At the end of the season it is the SANFL that distributes the gate income TO the clubs

The only thing the clubs collect attedence wise are home match & season ticket income as part of memberships
The clubs can keep 100% of home match ticket sales and all bar appx $25 of season ticket sales.
These sales and income received are not related to attedence figures.

[Mr Irate]

Anecdotally it would appear that you are accusing beenreal of talking complete and utter crap. Keep reading through that dictionary beenreal, when you get to "B" you'll come across the word bollocks.

[beenreal]

Anecdotally it would appear that you are accusing beenreal of talking complete and utter crap. Keep reading through that dictionary beenreal, when you get to "B" you'll come across the word bollocks.

Anecdotally also means third hand. I merely mentioned it. You seem to care about it much more than me, because I couldn't care less.

[Mr Irate]

Anecdotally it would appear that you are accusing beenreal of talking complete and utter crap. Keep reading through that dictionary beenreal, when you get to "B" you'll come across the word bollocks.

Anecdotally also means third hand. I merely mentioned it. You seem to care about it much more than me, because I couldn't care less.

But enough to respond

[Hopeful Jelly]

It's a wonderfull conspiracy theory to suggest that clubs lessen the attendences so clubs lessen the gate money they pay to the SANFL.

Except for that one little snag ... called FACTS

FACT IS
- At every SANFL minor round game it is SANFL staff that collect gate money for the league
- At every SANFL minor game it is SANFL staff that count those coming through the gate and provide the attendence figure.
- At the end of the season it is the SANFL that distributes the gate income TO the clubs

The only thing the clubs collect attedence wise are home match & season ticket income as part of memberships
The clubs can keep 100% of home match ticket sales and all bar appx $25 of season ticket sales.
These sales and income received are not related to attedence figures.

Excluding mistakes by SANFL staff, the only way I can see attendances being incorrect is the duplicate counting of children that may leave the ground then re-enter later (not requiring a pass out) - and this would actually make the attendance figure larger than what it really is.

[nickname]

As Kris Grant has said many a times the CDFC produces players to play for the CDFC not the AFL.

How do you do that? Not pick the best players in your zones? Not develop your players fully?

There two totally different styles of football, CDFC has a game plan that is played all the way through the club from the league to the 16's. They are developed to play into that system.

If they pin-point a player as a possible league football full back that is where he is developed to play. Not in multiple positions as most AFL recruits expect these days.

I'm not trying to wind anyone up here, I'm genuinely curious about how Centrals seem to keep coming up with very good SANFL players who don't get drafted. But your suggestions don't add up to me. Many clubs, mine included, have a game plan that's implemented throughout the grades.
And as for not playing kids in multiple positions, I don't think that's right and I don't think it would help the club. You need flexibility at senior level, so guys like Sibenaler can go from being a forward to a defender, similarly with Schell, Havelberg.

[The Apostle]

I'm genuinely curious about how Centrals seem to keep coming up with very good SANFL players who don't get drafted.

Love of the jumper.

[PhilH]

Excluding mistakes by SANFL staff, the only way I can see attendances being incorrect is the duplicate counting of children that may leave the ground then re-enter later (not requiring a pass out) - and this would actually make the attendance figure larger than what it really is.

Thanks for the idea HJ

[Mr Irate]

As Kris Grant has said many a times the CDFC produces players to play for the CDFC not the AFL.

How do you do that? Not pick the best players in your zones? Not develop your players fully?

There two totally different styles of football, CDFC has a game plan that is played all the way through the club from the league to the 16's. They are developed to play into that system.

If they pin-point a player as a possible league football full back that is where he is developed to play. Not in multiple positions as most AFL recruits expect these days.

I'm not trying to wind anyone up here, I'm genuinely curious about how Centrals seem to keep coming up with very good SANFL players who don't get drafted. But your suggestions don't add up to me. Many clubs, mine included, have a game plan that's implemented throughout the grades.
And as for not playing kids in multiple positions, I don't think that's right and I don't think it would help the club. You need flexibility at senior level, so guys like Sibenaler can go from being a forward to a defender, similarly with Schell, Havelberg.

Realistically they don't....most of the draftees come from the junior grades so suggest it's quite rare that league players get drafted these days with some exceptions....by the time a player gets through his second year of league footy you can be relatively assured that you'll keep him....we've also recruited very well over the last 10 years with blokes that have stuck around, the Gowans, Arnott, Bello, Hopwood, Scoullar, Hay, Caliinan etc etc

Schell, Healy, Sansbury, McCabe, Thomas, Switala were all drafted, they just came home when delisted and played great footy...then you have Ryan Williams who got delisted by the Power but didn't go home and stuck around....

[whufc]

I think what he means is how do players such as Dutschke, O'Hara and Havelberg seem to slip through the AFL system unnoticed.

[Dutchy]

Back to the subject.

One issue with membership numbers is that they are calculated differently by different clubs.

As an example Eagles had approx 900 junior members signed up under its auskick parternship not included in the 2009 figures which were approx 2100.
whilst according to the September 2009 Panther News South included its 700 kids under this program in their figures which were approx 1800.

BTW in 2010, that Eagles partnership has now been further extended accross metro clubs, schools and country teams in the zone which should see at least 2,500 junior (under 18) members in the club this year. Convert a reasonable percentage of these into loyal fans and it can be the foundation of a supporter base for years to come

Im presuming none of these juniors actually pay $$ to their clubs? Cant be even close to be considered members unless they do IMO

[am Bays]

Im presuming none of these juniors actually pay $$ to their clubs? Cant be even close to be considered members unless they do IMO

Not sure about the Eagles but with Glenelg the kids pay indirectly (membership) through the levy the school pays to the club to run the competition. Schools claim that back from the parents/kids in their sport fees.

The membership levy is a token amount hence why they aren't counted in official membership figures but it is an attempt by the club to connect with teh kids so hopefully they become supporters and then members.

[PhilH]

Thats why as explained they are not part of the figures, at the Eagles at least.

However in 2009 and for the majority in 2010 this membership was part of a package received when a registration is PAID.

Ie when you PAY your auskick rego in the Eagles zone you receive a pack which includes the junior membership, the same when you PAY to register as a junior player at the metro clubs in the Eagles zone.

[PhilH]

am Bays you are spot on.

This is not a strategy put in place to inflate membership figures. As mentioned we DO NOT INCLUDE them, but some other clubs do.

I have a long list of jokes, jibes and other comments from this site about Eagles supporter numbers

This is a major part of a larger plan to change that and grow WWT's fans base in years to come.

[Mr Irate]

I think what he means is how do players such as Dutschke, O'Hara and Havelberg seem to slip through the AFL system unnoticed.

Don't know, maybe they can't run 10 metres in less than 1.2 seconds or have a below requirement vertical leap Let's face it, if blokes like Greg Williams, Tony Shaw or Mark Bairstow were embarking on a footy career now they wouldn't get a look in......

Whatever, happy for these blokes to run around with the 'Dogs for as long as they want.....

[Aerie]

A little off topic, but with the season ticket this year it says you get 2 free tickets to a Crows game and Power game. Anyone know which games we get the tickets for?