AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Booney]

I've heard the media will be doing a story on those fans who want afl reserves in SANFL this week.
Look for kickinits interview in the next edition of big issue

By the look of the poll they took that is 67% of the 6500+ people who submitted a vote.

I voted against, BTW.

[UK Fan]

I've heard the media will be doing a story on those fans who want afl reserves in SANFL this week.
Look for kickinits interview in the next edition of big issue

By the look of the poll they took that is 67% of the 6500+ people who submitted a vote.

I voted against, BTW.

Why ??

[Booney]

I've heard the media will be doing a story on those fans who want afl reserves in SANFL this week.
Look for kickinits interview in the next edition of big issue

By the look of the poll they took that is 67% of the 6500+ people who submitted a vote.
I voted against, BTW.

Why ??

Why what?

[beenreal]

Except the VFL have already publicly stated they won't entertain the idea of non-Victorian clubs entering their comp.

so its not only the SANFL that dont wnat them? guess you better get stuck into the victorians for being anti change then

purely from a player development standpoint i would have thought the vfl would be a better fit than the sanfl. playing against other afl listed players more often than not would surely be better for the crows and power? the afl clubs couldnt be putting money in front of the ultimate conditions to develop their players surely?

OR, how about the VFL believes their competition is for VICTORIAN clubs, while the $ANFL is for SOUTH AUSTRALIAN clubs. Last time I looked, the AFC and PAFC fitted the latter criteria.

[tipper]

hasnt the VFL had teams from outside victoria in the past? wasnt sydneys reserves previously in the VFL? or am i mistaken? i also thought there was a team from tassie for a while...

and the Sanfl is for Sanfl clubs. last time i checked, neither the power or crows fitted that criteria....

[MAY-Z]

Except the VFL have already publicly stated they won't entertain the idea of non-Victorian clubs entering their comp.

so its not only the SANFL that dont wnat them? guess you better get stuck into the victorians for being anti change then

purely from a player development standpoint i would have thought the vfl would be a better fit than the sanfl. playing against other afl listed players more often than not would surely be better for the crows and power? the afl clubs couldnt be putting money in front of the ultimate conditions to develop their players surely?

OR, how about the VFL believes their competition is for VICTORIAN clubs, while the $ANFL is for SOUTH AUSTRALIAN clubs. Last time I looked, the AFC and PAFC fitted the latter criteria.

the SANFL is for state league clubs, the AFC and PAFC dont fit that criteria

[Hazydog]

I've heard the media will be doing a story on those fans who want afl reserves in SANFL this week.
Look for kickinits interview in the next edition of big issue

By the look of the poll they took that is 67% of the 6500+ people who submitted a vote.

I voted against, BTW.

Of the 67%, I wonder how many of those were supporters of The AFL sides, (rather than more SANFL orientated?)

Also doesn't differentiate between the preference of playing in the League or Reserves comp.

[UK Fan]

I've heard the media will be doing a story on those fans who want afl reserves in SANFL this week.
Look for kickinits interview in the next edition of big issue

By the look of the poll they took that is 67% of the 6500+ people who submitted a vote.
I voted against, BTW.

Why ??

Why what?

What was your reasoning for voting against it you nimby minded head in the sand got to get over the 90s fool

[CENTURION]

Except the VFL have already publicly stated they won't entertain the idea of non-Victorian clubs entering their comp.

so its not only the SANFL that dont wnat them? guess you better get stuck into the victorians for being anti change then

purely from a player development standpoint i would have thought the vfl would be a better fit than the sanfl. playing against other afl listed players more often than not would surely be better for the crows and power? the afl clubs couldnt be putting money in front of the ultimate conditions to develop their players surely?

OR, how about the VFL believes their competition is for VICTORIAN clubs, while the $ANFL is for SOUTH AUSTRALIAN clubs. Last time I looked, the AFC and PAFC fitted the latter criteria.

but doesn't it make sense to play against the players that you will play against, if ya know wot I mean!

[TimmiesChin]

I've heard the media will be doing a story on those fans who want afl reserves in SANFL this week.
Look for kickinits interview in the next edition of big issue

By the look of the poll they took that is 67% of the 6500+ people who submitted a vote.

I voted against, BTW.

Of the 67%, I wonder how many of those were supporters of The AFL sides, (rather than more SANFL orientated?)

Also doesn't differentiate between the preference of playing in the League or Reserves comp.

I didn't find the % surprising at all, isn't that pretty close to the percentage of footy fans that support either Port/Crows in SA ?

I'm guessing basically (in general, but not 100%) that SANFL fans that don't barrack for Port/Crows vote against, while those that barrack for Port/Crows are more likely to vote yes.

It does suggest though the no vote is a vocal minority rather than an overwhelming groundswell of discontent.

[Booney]

What was your reasoning for voting against it you nimby minded head in the sand got to get over the 90s fool

Oh, well now you've put it so nicely.

I support the new administration at the PAFC and if their view is the best development path is for all our players to play in the one side, then I support that.

If the cost of that is the demise of the SANFL Port Adelaide Magpies then I'm not prepared to support it.

My concern is Adelaide seem to be moving along quietly to having their proposed model accepted and this too (with the SANFL declaring both teams would need to work to the same model) would spell the end of the Magpies. I'm not surprised that Adelaides model is seen as more attractive to the league directors, well, they are the team for all South Australians after all.

So, I voted no.

[Mic]

Shame the poll didn't ask if voters are Crows/Power fans.

[TimmiesChin]

What was your reasoning for voting against it you nimby minded head in the sand got to get over the 90s fool

Oh, well now you've put it so nicely.

I support the new administration at the PAFC and if their view is the best development path is for all our players to play in the one side, then I support that.

If the cost of that is the demise of the SANFL Port Adelaide Magpies then I'm not prepared to support it.

My concern is Adelaide seem to be moving along quietly to having their proposed model accepted and this too (with the SANFL declaring both teams would need to work to the same model) would spell the end of the Magpies. I'm not surprised that Adelaides model is seen as more attractive to the league directors, well, they are the team for all South Australians after all.

So, I voted no.

Gotta agree anything spelling the end of the magpies is not an option for me.

First preference is for the setup to be as KT/Kochy have described. Still can't see who loses with it.
Second preference is to leave things as they are.


Will be interesting to see what happens if Port pushes the status quo, (given the SANFL clubs seem scared of their more logical solution ... than the Crows), with the SANFL still try to force them to disband. I think that will say a lot about the SANFL clubs and their motives.

[areaman]

I didn't find the % surprising at all, isn't that pretty close to the percentage of footy fans that support either Port/Crows in SA ?

I'm guessing basically (in general, but not 100%) that SANFL fans that don't barrack for Port/Crows vote against, while those that barrack for Port/Crows are more likely to vote yes.

It does suggest though the no vote is a vocal minority rather than an overwhelming groundswell of discontent.

Agree with your general summary.

No doubt that a majority of Crows/Power fans probably account for the 67%. However they wouldn't be so much in favour of the teams being in the SANFL but just in favour of having a reserves team anywhere. I reckon they couldn't care less if it were in the SANFL, VFL or a proper AFL Reserves comp.

The NO AFL IN THE SANFL group may be a vocal minority of the whole SA football public but within the SANFL attending public it is likely to be a significant majority. I think the clubs are just waking up to this with the amount of member letters and emails that have been sent.

The SANFL Presidents are accountable to their members. Any of them who finish up supporting the Crows/Port proposals will find themselves judged at the next AGMs. Some may not be concerned by this. But any who think they can change the dynamics of the SANFl League competition without suffering a backlash from the members may be in for a shock.

[TimmiesChin]

Shame the poll didn't ask if voters are Crows/Power fans.

Not really needed. If a straw poll of posters on this forum is anything to go by, its quite likely that voters are voting in a pretty predicatable fashion.

[on the rails]

The SANFL Presidents are accountable to their members. Any of them who finish up supporting the Crows/Port proposals will find themselves judged at the next AGMs. Some may not be concerned by this. But any who think they can change the dynamics of the SANFl League competition without suffering a backlash from the members may be in for a shock.

And some CEO's of clubs will also be skating on "thin ice" too if cedrtain AFL supporting Presidents and Board Members get voted out. The CEO's have to remember they are appointed by the Boards and can eaily be dismissed by the Boards too.

[areaman]

Gotta agree anything spelling the end of the magpies is not an option for me.

First preference is for the setup to be as KT/Kochy have described. Still can't see who loses with it.
Second preference is to leave things as they are.


Will be interesting to see what happens if Port pushes the status quo, (given the SANFL clubs seem scared of their more logical solution ... than the Crows), with the SANFL still try to force them to disband. I think that will say a lot about the SANFL clubs and their motives.

Timmy, you've made a bit of sense elsewhere but to continue with this line that says the SANFL clubs want to get rid of the Maggies is just wrong.

The only people who are actually undermining the Maggies existence are Koch and Thomas.

There are two totally separate issues being rolled into one which is conveniently letting the Power administration pedal the untruth that it is the SANFL clubs killing the Maggies.

Find another option for the Power reserves team and the Maggies are safe as houses.

Can anyone point to any comments made by those in charge that contradict this statement?

[TimmiesChin]

I reckon they couldn't care less if it were in the SANFL, VFL or a proper AFL Reserves comp.

Rather than not caring on this point, I think its more accurate to say opinion is split. I've heard some that think an AFL reserves comp, some pushing the VFL (Rucci), but for me staying in the SANFL is the priority.

I actually think that taking out the best part of 25 or so league standard players each weekend (AFL reserves players) and shipping them to Victoria or AFL reserves each weekend ... as well as another 20 or so to make up the numbers would rip the guts out of the SANFL standard of comp. How will clubs replace these players without a salary cap increase.

I'd guarantee, if the AFL club set up a national reserves comp, AFL lists would need to increase by 10/20, so across the board this would be another 180 - 360 players pulled out of local comps and injected into the reserves comp, on a pro rate basis, we are probably talking 20-40 from SA.

Similarly, if the local AFL sides went to the VFL, I've no doubt they would recruit locals to fill their reserves side, so again that's probably another 20-40 players getting yanked from the SANFL on top of the AFL listed players to play VFL for the AFL sides, and in all likelyhood this would largely be younger blokes with aspirations.

[CENTURION]

The SANFL Presidents are accountable to their members. Any of them who finish up supporting the Crows/Port proposals will find themselves judged at the next AGMs. Some may not be concerned by this. But any who think they can change the dynamics of the SANFl League competition without suffering a backlash from the members may be in for a shock.

And some CEO's of clubs will also be skating on "thin ice" too if cedrtain AFL supporting Presidents and Board Members get voted out. The CEO's have to remember they are appointed by the Boards and can eaily be dismissed by the Boards too.

but who will you replace them with?

[TimmiesChin]

Timmy, you've made a bit of sense elsewhere but to continue with this line that says the SANFL clubs want to get rid of the Maggies is just wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe there is a SANFL wide vendetta, but its would be naive to think there are not some pockets who would like to see Port fail, or as a minimum be uncompetitive.
I'd imagine the general feel would be they want the magpies to remain but be a side that struggles to make the finals.

The only people who are actually undermining the Maggies existence are Koch and Thomas.

There are two totally separate issues being rolled into one which is conveniently letting the Power administration pedal the untruth that it is the SANFL clubs killing the Maggies.

Can anyone point to any comments made by those in charge that contradict this statement?

Well I would have thought the two models put forward by Port are quite the opposite.

1) Move all Power listed players to magpies and continue as is (with $$$ changing hands and some development zone concessions.
2) Leave everything as is.

I don't really understand which of these two models is killing the magpies .... unless you think secretly behind the scenes they are hoping neither model gets up. The only model that kills the magpies is the Crows model if we have to adopt it also. (Although I doubt the club can afford to filed an AFL side plus reserves side in VFL, plus full magpies, so this could in the long run kill them as well)