Concerning Trend? The Woodville Oval Incident 3/7

[Apachebulldog]

LEH i tend to disagree it could of been anyone, any normal person can take so much before he lets loose with a few expletives, put yourself in his shoes after all he is human, but you are right in one sense, in hindsight being a representative of the club he should of just moved to another area.

[topsywaldron]

No worries Royal City, I'll try and get the name of the Centrals 'fan' who had to be restrained from decking my father at a Norwood Oval game then.

He looks like a toad on the constant verge of a stroke if that helps.

[Royal City]

Obviously Voice knows the names of the Sturt people involved

[Dogwatcher]

Nowhere does anything changed otr. You're just making yourself look silly coming in to the conversation late and start up more crap. Prior to my complete version of events that I wrote I dispelled some wrong assumptions about things being said.
If you want to take that as the order of events and that I've changed my story than it's pretty obvious why nobody on here has agreed with you that anything has changed.

Hmm - below is what you said pages back!

In the last the Eagles cheersquad moved to the other end and we stayed where we were. 4-5 Eagles players parked themselves around 5m away from us, none of them saying a word except for Treeby. When the Eagles kicked the sealer Treeby turned to the cheersquad and said exactly what csbowes mentioned earlier in the thread which was (as he grabbed his crotch) "suck on my n-ts you c---s, take a look at the f---ing scoreboard.
I proceeded to approach weslo, who were 2m away from the Eagles players to ask them why that is tolerated when we were threatened with eviction for less. They proceeded to tell me they heard nothing (remember, they were 2m away from Treeby) which inflamed the situation more. All the while Treeby and some other cheersquad members continued with the verbals.Things were way to close and it no-one really threw a first punch, it kind of just momentarily exploded with some push and shove between some cheersquad members and Treeby and some Eagles fans. More cheersquad members approached the fraca, including myself to try and break it up but I can see that this would have been quite scary for Treeby as he wouldn't have known some of us only wanted to break it up. He ran back towards the grandstands and yes he was chased.
The stupid part about this is when Treeby saw the 2 burley fellas that you see in the photos were going to back him up, he stopped and faced his pursuers. This is where the main problem started and once again I tried to break it up. I copped a whack in the nose, no idea if it was an Eagles fan or a Sturt fan and I don't really care. It was over pretty quickly from there. Little spotfires broke out after that but nothing major.
If I can think of anything else I'll post it as soon as I can.

An earlier post from you voice in which you say the Eagles players were 5 metres away give or take a bit? So fair to say around 15 feet away? So who went to who? Surely it was the CS who moved up to confront Treeby where he was standing. You say you moved up within 2 metres (5 or 6 feet) of Treeby and the other Eagle players to speak to Weslo and it appears this may have “encouraged” your CS mates to move up to near where the players were standing and confront them? You haven’t really clarified that or maybe you are being selective to “protect” your mates / CS as to who actually provoked the violence? You do eventually skip to the bit where you claim both parties were close when the first altercation occurred however it plainly appears that the Sturt CS caused the confrontation by stupidly reacting to some comments and moving up to where Treeby was standing?

Then in response to Dutchy you post the following:

Not quite right Dutchy. We didn't choose to start the violence and like I said in my explanation earlier in the thread, due to the proximity of the weslo guys to the players, all things happened very quickly and it would be impossible to know who threw the first punch.
What I will say though is that Treeby may very well felt as though he was cornered due to this close proximity and the amount of us that were confronting weslo and therefore may have felt as though there was only one way out and that was to fire up (for want of a better phrase) and tough his way out of there. I can completely understand this and don't wish him to recieve much of a penalty at all. Maybe removal of himself from the leadership group but that would be all. I don't think that it warrants suspension or sacking.
It was a bad situation that should have never happened but I can't say for sure who was physical first and it's not a situation where anyone should be guessing.

15 feet you say originally now you claim it was all in close proximity – your story has changed so before you go having a crack at me make sure you know what you previously said and don’t be selective to lessen the role your or the CS played in this. As I said, regardless of how stupid or misguided Treeby’s comments were, it wasn’t him who came down to the Cheer Squad and provoked the violence was it? You claim you don’t know who is responsible and we shouldn’t be guessing but it is obvious. You would be a terrible witness in any investigation base on what you have posted so far!

Get off Voice's back OTR. He's doing the best he can in a tough situation and is not backing away from the part the Sturt Cheer Squad played in all this fracas.

[whufc]

Do agree out of all the Sturt Cheersquad the one bloke who doesn't deserve the reputation or rubbish that there copping is Voice, he has done his best and without doubt hsa definatly turned the SCS around until this incident.

[sjt]

No worries Royal City, I'll try and get the name of the Centrals 'fan' who had to be restrained from decking my father at a Norwood Oval game then.

He looks like a toad on the constant verge of a stroke if that helps.

Not sure you can get kicked out or arrested for being restrained, but good constructive comment. Sounds by your description like you might be looking for Neil Balme?

[Drop Bear]

I don't believe someone holding their groin saying "suck on my nuts", look at the scoreboard and calling someone or a group an offensive name, can validate an assault. Moronic, stupid yes. Worse, due to the fact a player was involved. He should have been removed from the ground if true, in my opinion.
Yes, perhaps it wouldn't have happened if Treeby hadn't done what is alleged, or if Eagles hadn't kicked the sealer, or if either party were asked to move on, or if there was more pro-active security - if, if, if. Or perhaps some other reason would have been used as an excuse/reason for the ensuing violence?
I'm sure Treeby will be held to account for his actions, but seems like an over-reaction to some idiotic alleged verbal abuse (and I don't think to many on here are trying to defend the culprits anyway). Hopefully security will be more pro-active in the future and "supporters", will realise it's a game at the end of the day.

EXACTLY!!! Grow up FFS.

[Barto]

Get off Voice's back OTR. He's doing the best he can in a tough situation and is not backing away from the part the Sturt Cheer Squad played in all this fracas.

Finally, some sanity from an opposition supporter. I was starting to wonder if this site was "troll Sturt".

Every club has them and the SFC and SCS aren't backing away and throwing 100% of the blame on the opposition like our side seems to cop from certain sections.

[Barto]

I don't believe someone holding their groin saying "suck on my nuts", look at the scoreboard and calling someone or a group an offensive name, can validate an assault. Moronic, stupid yes. Worse, due to the fact a player was involved. He should have been removed from the ground if true, in my opinion.
Yes, perhaps it wouldn't have happened if Treeby hadn't done what is alleged, or if Eagles hadn't kicked the sealer, or if either party were asked to move on, or if there was more pro-active security - if, if, if. Or perhaps some other reason would have been used as an excuse/reason for the ensuing violence?
I'm sure Treeby will be held to account for his actions, but seems like an over-reaction to some idiotic alleged verbal abuse (and I don't think to many on here are trying to defend the culprits anyway). Hopefully security will be more pro-active in the future and "supporters", will realise it's a game at the end of the day.

EXACTLY!!! Grow up FFS.

Excellent advice for a representative of your club to take on board.

[Barto]

"Blah blah.. Sturt supporters assaulting people"

The photo in the Tiser clearly shows a Sturt supporter on the receiving end. Answer that.

That's any easy one Barto.

I reckon if anyone chases another person around in public trying whack them then they've got to expect that other members of the public might step in. If this Sturt supporter hadn't chased Treeby 50m with the sole intent of hitting him then this particular incident would not have occurred.

I'm guessing if somebody was trying to belt you in a public place you'd hope that some members of the public might help out.

That photo looks terrible and is an embarrasment to all those involved but put it in perspective before you place a halo over the Sturt supporter in question.

I'm not putting a halo at all. I'm just sick of certain people saying that the SCS is 100% to blame.

Thing is about your statement, that photo shows a bloke getting punched in the face from the side. It's not as if they're going toe to toe. FWIW: I don't reckon that kid could fight his way out of a paper bag and that pic shows him getting sucker punched.

[MightyEagles]

The SCS are partly to blame as to where they set themselves near the WWTCS. Normally at Fortress Woodville Oval, Eagles CS is at the Northern end behind the goals and the othere CS is at the Southern end goals, why Sturt set themselves I don't know, why the players placed themselves where they did, I don't know. I think from now on all non Eagles CS should go to the Southern end so that these type of things don't happen.

[Squawk]

There's been a lot of talk throughout this thread about a number of people pictured, but no one has confirmed who the guy in the Holden jacket was supporting on the day?

[Dogwatcher]

And...is that Joe Hicks in the background? Next to the guy with the Sturt scarfe and glasses on.

[Wedgie]

I reckon the first punch came from the vicinity of a grassy knoll.

[JK]

The SCS are partly to blame as to where they set themselves near the WWTCS. Normally at Fortress Woodville Oval, Eagles CS is at the Northern end behind the goals and the othere CS is at the Southern end goals, why Sturt set themselves I don't know, why the players placed themselves where they did, I don't know. I think from now on all non Eagles CS should go to the Southern end so that these type of things don't happen.

Don't want to weigh into the debate of who did what and who started what, but I reckon this post is wrong mate (personal opinion only).

Aussie Rules has never had segregated crowds and nor should we ever want it to go that way .. Whomever was involved has shown a lack of basic discipline - Supporters should be able to stand within short distance of opposition supporters without either group coming to blows.

[FlyingHigh]

The SCS are partly to blame as to where they set themselves near the WWTCS. Normally at Fortress Woodville Oval, Eagles CS is at the Northern end behind the goals and the othere CS is at the Southern end goals, why Sturt set themselves I don't know, why the players placed themselves where they did, I don't know. I think from now on all non Eagles CS should go to the Southern end so that these type of things don't happen.

Don't want to weigh into the debate of who did what and who started what, but I reckon this post is wrong mate (personal opinion only).

Aussie Rules has never had segregated crowds and nor should we ever want it to go that way .. Whomever was involved has shown a lack of basic discipline - Supporters should be able to stand within short distance of opposition supporters without either group coming to blows.

I reckon Voice's reasoning is fair enough, explaining they did that because of the better atmosphere the Northern end with more people congregating down there because of the facilities. Woody Oval is also a bit longer than most making it a bit desolate at the other end at times as unfortunately average 2500-3000 rather than 5000.

[Dogwatcher]

I heard the offender actually yelled "suck my vuvuzela" at the cheer squad.
The Sturt supporters, knowing that vuvuzelas are banned from the football were merely trying to obtain the offending implement in order to hand it into WESLO as they clearly had not been doing their job by removing it from him in the first place.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Nobody should be in a cheer squad over the age of 21. Their supposed to be for kids to have some fun, organize events & liaison with the club. Older members just encourage alcohol use & profanity. A club official with a current police check should be helping out.

[Bluedemon]

Nobody should be in a cheer squad over the age of 21. Their supposed to be for kids to have some fun, organize events & liaison with the club. Older members just encourage alcohol use & profanity. A club official with a current police check should be helping out.

does that apply to the AFL also then sheik? most clubs have junior supporter groups which is totally different, most outlandish statement you have ever said Sheik.

[LPH]

Nobody should be in a cheer squad over the age of 21. Their supposed to be for kids to have some fun, organize events & liaison with the club. Older members just encourage alcohol use & profanity. A club official with a current police check should be helping out.

Err... cue the 'special needs' comments