ports 'prison bar' design to go ?

[beenreal]

ANd another contradiction ???

Let me guess you didnt think that way when you guys booted Fitzroy out of the AFL.

WOW, now here's a club with some genuine clout. Not only can they they move an SANFL club out of Alberton, the PAFC can also kick an AFL club out of the competition. Careful, your club could be next!

[Gravel]

Beenreal, they are the only club (outside the VFL) to gain an AFL licence - so they do clearly have a lot of clout !!
Assuming this is passed (and I can not see for a minute that the SANFL will vote to remove its No 1 drawcard) what do you think will happen to the 5 crows players at the Magpies - realligned via the SANFL mini draft or swapped for Port AFL players at other clubs as I can't see the crows wanting them to stay at Port, and rightly so?

[Barto]

Any argument to preserve the Magpies which is based wholly on the club's longevity is simply an appeal to emotion and should be properly laughed at.

Fitzroy were pretty old as I recall.

[Barto]

If the SANFL is to continue to be a competition of any note ( the next best in the land ) then doesn't it need one of it's oldest clubs participating? I understand all the negativity towards what Port Adelaide did and have done but isn't it time to look to the future and what would the SANFL be without a Magpie in it?

If football fans are happy to move forward with out the Magpies in the SANFL then the gloss of each and every premiership from now on will be tainted ( as many suggest Centrals' flags in the post AFL era are viewed )

I think you're fighting your own as much as the opposition clubs, there seems to be plenty of Port "supporters" who want the Magpies dead and buried so the Power can be the sole focus.

As for the age of the club, there are Port supporters who believe the current Magpies outfit was spat out on to the footy landscape in 1996 and have zero claims on the SANFL premierships prior to that date.

[beenreal]

Beenreal, they are the only club (outside the VFL) to gain an AFL licence - so they do clearly have a lot of clout !!
Assuming this is passed (and I can not see for a minute that the SANFL will vote to remove its No 1 drawcard) what do you think will happen to the 5 crows players at the Magpies - realligned via the SANFL mini draft or swapped for Port AFL players at other clubs as I can't see the crows wanting them to stay at Port, and rightly so?

Yes Port were admitted on the basis of their clout. But it wasn't Port who kicked out Fitzroy from the competition or the Magpies from Alberton. The SANFL have been talking up their attendances for some years now. Like you, I'm not certain they will welcome the hefty percentage drop that removing the Magpies will bring.

As for Cows players, I would think the likes of Maric etc. would be moved to another club. The interesting part would be names like McLeod and Thompson who were Port Adelaide products. I'm fairly certain Scott Thompson would baulk at having to play for another SANFL club IMO.

[Gravel]

Yes - If anyone thinks Port kicked the Magpies off Alberton they do not know the facts.
This was done after the 2nd AFL license was decided and the SANFL clubs voted for additional conditions to the creation of the Port Magpies outside the Port AFL proposal. These included Magpies not to train at Alberton, no joint memberships or sponsorships, no Magpies administration at Alberton, no Magpie merchandise to be sold at Alberton on non match days and the Port Club distribution to the Magpies to be reduced from 25% to 15%.
It was Port Adelaide that instigated the move for the Magpies to train at Alberton and increased the Port Club distribution to the Magpies to the current level.

[Pseudo]

Yes Port were admitted on the basis of their clout. But it wasn't Port who kicked out Fitzroy from the competition or the Magpies from Alberton. The SANFL have been talking up their attendances for some years now. Like you, I'm not certain they will welcome the hefty percentage drop that removing the Magpies will bring.

Yeah, losing that "ninth team versus the bye" fixture each week is really going to bring down the total yearly attendances.

And not that I claim to know much about things AFL, but I'm sure that Fitzroy wasn't kicked out to accommodate Port. IIRC the AFL was prepared to go to 17 teams if Fitzroy didn't go under.

[Booney]

Correct, the AFL were indeed prepared to go with 17 teams if the 'Roys could come up with some money and a plan to survive.

Back to the attendances, regardless of where the 'Pies are on the ladder all the other 8 SANFL clubs would bank on getting a better than avergae home crowd when the Magpies come to visit.

[Pseudo]

Yes - If anyone thinks Port kicked the Magpies off Alberton they do not know the facts.

If anyone thinks that the Power wanted the Magpies to remain wholly at Alberton from the offset, they also do not know the facts. Go and find out why the Alberton Cricket Club left Alberton Oval. Extrapolate the reasoning to all other tenants at Alberton.

[am Bays]

Back to the attendances, regardless of where the 'Pies are on the ladder all the other 8 SANFL clubs would bank on getting a better than avergae home crowd when the Magpies come to visit.

Yep, but weigh that up agaisnt a larger SANFL dividend (eight comapred to divided by nine goes a lot further) and an extra home game every two years and the loss of the Magpies is probably better financially to the other eight clubs than keeping them.

[Gravel]

Yes - If anyone thinks Port kicked the Magpies off Alberton they do not know the facts.

If anyone thinks that the Power wanted the Magpies to remain wholly at Alberton from the offset, they also do not know the facts. Go and find out why the Alberton Cricket Club left Alberton Oval. Extrapolate the reasoning to all other tenants at Alberton.

My understanding is the Port Adelaide Cricket Club was kicked off Alberton Oval due to the additional training
better centre square to train and play on - we only have took at the mud heaps some SANFL grounds with cricket pitches become during winter to appreciate this.

[Gravel]

Gremlins
My understanding is the Port Adelaide Cricket Club was kicked off Alberton Oval due to the additional training requirements when the PAFC entered the AFL.
IMO this was the correct decision as it provides a better centre square to train and play on - we only have took at the mud heaps some SANFL grounds with cricket pitches become during winter to appreciate this.

[beenreal]

Back to the attendances, regardless of where the 'Pies are on the ladder all the other 8 SANFL clubs would bank on getting a better than avergae home crowd when the Magpies come to visit.

Yep, but weigh that up agaisnt a larger SANFL dividend (eight comapred to divided by nine goes a lot further) and an extra home game every two years and the loss of the Magpies is probably better financially to the other eight clubs than keeping them.

And here I was thinking the SANFL competition was all about the fans, not worshiping the almighty $$. Silly me.

[Barto]

Yes Port were admitted on the basis of their clout. But it wasn't Port who kicked out Fitzroy from the competition or the Magpies from Alberton. The SANFL have been talking up their attendances for some years now. Like you, I'm not certain they will welcome the hefty percentage drop that removing the Magpies will bring.

Yeah, losing that "ninth team versus the bye" fixture each week is really going to bring down the total yearly attendances.

Good point, there'll be a similar amount of games anyway.

[Macca19]

Yes - If anyone thinks Port kicked the Magpies off Alberton they do not know the facts.

If anyone thinks that the Power wanted the Magpies to remain wholly at Alberton from the offset, they also do not know the facts. Go and find out why the Alberton Cricket Club left Alberton Oval. Extrapolate the reasoning to all other tenants at Alberton.

Whether the PAFC wanted the Magpies to stay or go doesnt really matter, as it was the SANFL commission and the directors of the other SANFL clubs that strongly pushed (and succeeded) in the original negotiations after the 2nd licence announcement that the Magpies must never train at Alberton, must never have any administration at Alberton and must not have any joint facilities (whether physical or financial) with the PAFC

[X Runna]

The one thing which must be taken into consideration is what will happen to the credibility of the SANFL should the Magpies fold.

Central will continue to dominate due to their structure, they do not have a great lot of player transfer weekly betwen the AFL and SANFL, and they recruit quality fringe AFL standard players for the long term. The amalgamated side (can't bring myself to mention their name) will continue to be a mudguard (all shiny on the outside and full of sh!t underneath), Glenelg will continue their lifelong tradition of promising lots but delivering little, Sturt have recruited well, but will it be the answer and for how long can it last?, Norwood seem a bit 'lost', Westies seem to be on the improve but will be a while before they could even think of seriously challenging the Doggies, North similar to Glenelg and really..who gives a toss about South?

It will lead to a very predictable and boring competition. Players will leave en masse for the richer spoils in the amateur league, and in the end - interest in the SANFL will wane dramatically.

Even though Port did not want a side in the SANFL when the Power joined the AFL, the 8 other clubs forced the situation for their own benefit, I am sure the Maggies do want to stay around.

Love 'em or hate 'em - the SANFL NEEDS the Magpies to have a solid club and respectable team. Without them, the SAAFL will flourish.

[Barto]

That's like saying the education standard will slip if the school bully is expelled

[Mickyj]

The amalgamated side (can't bring myself to mention their name) will continue to be a mudguard (all shiny on the outside and full of sh!t underneath)

Now Booney dont take offence mate

What a typical arrogant Port supporterX Runna is I hope my amalgamated side votes to kill you guys off .I bet every time we beat your team .Your one of those drongos that says they only won as they are a joined team enjoy 2010 you wont be around in 2011 !!!

Just think worse case for you guys Eagles and dogs share the magpies area

[LPH]

I am not saying this to wind up Port supporters, just as a concerned SANFL lover who has NO interest in the GAYFL... for our comp to survive ( if we are committed to thrwing money at basket cases like South & even my own club) then the SANFL MUST make some tough decisions - one of which is to STOP BAILING OUT lost causes.

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The SANFL has never bailed South out.

No but Mike Ryan's Government did actually 'wipe' the $ 1/2 million for owed for Noarlunga

[spell_check]

The amalgamated side (can't bring myself to mention their name) will continue to be a mudguard (all shiny on the outside and full of sh!t underneath)

Now Booney dont take offence mate

What a typical arrogant Port supporterX Runna is I hope my amalgamated side votes to kill you guys off .I bet every time we beat your team .Your one of those drongos that says they only won as they are a joined team enjoy 2010 you wont be around in 2011 !!!

Just think worse case for you guys Eagles and dogs share the magpies area

Arrogant comments are everywhere, but that one belongs on BigFooty only. Actually more like narrow-minded, which ironically those claims are put forward elsewhere on this thread about the actual topic itself. Nevertheless we look forward to Round 2.