Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

[CUTTERMAN]

Sturt defender was adament that he got a hand to the ball, he immediately signalled it to the goal umpire and didn't let up. Umps then made their decision. I had no real view of it as I was on the 50m mark in the SW pocket. Whether that decision alone was right or wrong i don't know but was glad to be on right side of a 50/50 for a rare change for the whole day.
Sturt has to learn to put 4 quarters of footy together amongst many other issues, however the frees given to WWT in their F50 in the first half gave them a huge leg up.

[Mickyj]

Well done to WWT, should've put the game away on many occasions but failed to do so. Again Sturt are failing to remain competitive at certain periods of the game and having to fight back.
Scott, you're comment about Sturts disclipline may be a fair one but fails dismally when obvious frees aren't paid the other way. 2nd 1/4 Hurley pushed in the back F50. No free. WWT player given a free for a high tackle received from a team mate. Other high tackles and in the backs not paid in Sturts F50. Many holding the ball not paid when the ball is just dropped in the tackle.
So it's not just the soft ones that WWT get, it's the obvious ones that Sturt don't get that really hurt. I'd like to know how many WWT frees were in or around their F 50, I'd guess about 6-8. Effectively Sturt were playing against two teams today and almost came away with a win. I reckon we had a pretty fair deal with the umps when we thumped them at AO last year, other than that I don't think there's many times we've had the better of the decisions.
SANFL umpiring is way below a reasonable standard, it needs to be dealt with soon. It's not good enough.

I think rather than blame the umpires you really should be looking at the sturt players . Get to the ball first get the ball and move it quickly to other sturt players "SHOULD" in theory win you more games !!Falling asleep like the Eagles did today doesn't help lol.
Not saying the umpires were fantasttic but they didnt cause Sturt to lose the game . Many of your fans were blaming a Port listed player for woes he got many disposals .But they may well have landed in the likes of Mckenzies hands .
You mentioned Hurley above he was number 12 .Wouldnt have wanted to be him when Bear tackled him it sounded like a truck hitting a roo!!

No idea how the Eagles won today 2 in a row finally !!

[Mickyj]

Sturt defender was adament that he got a hand to the ball, he immediately signalled it to the goal umpire and didn't let up. Umps then made their decision. I had no real view of it as I was on the 50m mark in the SW pocket. Whether that decision alone was right or wrong i don't know but was glad to be on right side of a 50/50 for a rare change for the whole day.
Sturt has to learn to put 4 quarters of footy together amongst many other issues, however the frees given to WWT in their F50 in the first half gave them a huge leg up.

If I was sturts coach I'd get the backline to watch how Mckenzie spoiled a mark .no arm slapping no holding didnt give a free away .

[CUTTERMAN]

I haven't blamed the umpires for the loss. Get it right.

[wedgetail]

Bad kicking for goal in the second quarter nearly cost eags the game today. Game should have been over at half time. Game comeback by Sturt in second half. Toumpas = class. God I hope Crows or Power pick him up. We will miss him in the next 6 weeks.

[Mickyj]

Bad kicking for goal in the second quarter nearly cost eags the game today. Game should have been over at half time. Game comeback by Sturt in second half. Toumpas = class. God I hope Crows or Power pick him up. We will miss him in the next 6 weeks.

Very True on both counts .

[prowling panther]

Speaking of umpiring...

What about Joyce's point at the end of the game? Goal umpire called goal, field umpire was happy to call a goal but the 13 year old boundary umpire over ruled and was adamant the ball was touched. How do they come to that decision???

So thats what happened all we could see from the stand were the umps going on and on.

Pretty easily one would imagine, it the 13 y.o. boundary umpire was in a good position to tell the goal umpire and the field umpire it was touched then he wins out. Simple as that

[The Sleeping Giant]

Sturt defender was adament that he got a hand to the ball, he immediately signalled it to the goal umpire and didn't let up. Umps then made their decision. I had no real view of it as I was on the 50m mark in the SW pocket. Whether that decision alone was right or wrong i don't know but was glad to be on right side of a 50/50 for a rare change for the whole day.
Sturt has to learn to put 4 quarters of footy together amongst many other issues, however the frees given to WWT in their F50 in the first half gave them a huge leg up.

If I was sturts coach I'd get the backline to watch how Mckenzie spoiled a mark .no arm slapping no holding didnt give a free away .

Pretty easy when you don't have an opponent.

[FlyingHigh]

Again, a relief to win more than a great feeling. We should have been 10 goals up half way through the third quarter and getting some vital percentage back. Around this time Sturt started to crowd the Eagles half forward line rather than it being open like it was in the first, and we didn't deal with it real well. Sturt started to get a bit of run going from half back, and perhaps with a little more skill at times could have taken the points.
Regarding the umpiring, I thought we were on the right side of three decisions - goals to Toumpas and Grocke in the first quarter, in the third on the SW flank, a Sturt player got slung without the ball, then the non-controlling umpire paid a high tackle to us. Apart, from these, when you are first and hard in at the ball for conservatively 75% of the game, then frees are going to go your way. This is not Sturt's style at all, more an open style, quick movement and run, and this is the sort of footy they got going in the last quarter and a half, and again, the Eagles didn't deal with it overly well.

[Mickyj]

Sturt defender was adament that he got a hand to the ball, he immediately signalled it to the goal umpire and didn't let up. Umps then made their decision. I had no real view of it as I was on the 50m mark in the SW pocket. Whether that decision alone was right or wrong i don't know but was glad to be on right side of a 50/50 for a rare change for the whole day.
Sturt has to learn to put 4 quarters of footy together amongst many other issues, however the frees given to WWT in their F50 in the first half gave them a huge leg up.

If I was sturts coach I'd get the backline to watch how Mckenzie spoiled a mark .no arm slapping no holding didnt give a free away .

Pretty easy when you don't have an opponent.

Something else the coach should point out

[human_torpedo]

Good to see the Eagles back up there win over South with another over Sturt.. I wasnt at the game so I wont comment regarding the umpiring, but the Eagles do seem to be quite disciplined when I have watched them since Gods has taken over.. Although, a differential of 17 in a game is astronomical..

I am very happy with the form of the second tier players, led by Goldsworthy in the last month especially.. Since his game against Centrals he has backed it up with 2 more strong performances.. Along with other second tier players like Toumpas (who wont be second tier for much longer), Ellis Yoelman, Grieger, Sumner and the like.. Continued improvement from these players will see a far more competitive Eagles outfit..

[Mr Fuller]

Very happy to get the win but eagles did everything they could possibly do to lose it. The most disappointing thing was that we should have been 10-12 goals up 10 minutes into the third quarter but let sturt get back into it. I thought last year our players weren't able to deal with floods well and when Sturt dropped a loose man into defence in the third we went back to our bad habits of slow movement, kicking sideways, backwards - anything but forwards. The only way to beat it is with quick and direct football. This is also how you kick hight scores. LEARN FROM IT.

Anyway I'm happy with the way we are getting better each week. Having Redden and Parry in the side has made a HUGE difference. It allows one of them to play forward, puts Grocke at CHF and Staple on the flank. Most importantly however, it keeps Bock out of the side which allows us to play a match with a full team rather than one man short which occurs when Bock plays.

Sumner, Goldsworthy and Kane have really stepped up in the past few weeks. A welcomed relief for the seasoned veterans who put in week-in, week-out. Ellis Yolman did some useful things but not really sure where he fits into the team. He seems a bit slow for midfield and too short for key position. Toumpas is a sure-bet top 10 draft pick. He never misses, is beautifully balanced and one of the best kicks for goal on the run I have seen. Lets hope the Power continue their poor form so they finish bottom 3 and get a good chance to grab him. Eddy's form is a concern. He doesn't get much of it and the way he is playing looks set to be one of the dud recruits of the year - the moral is to stay away from ex-AFL players. The 20th+ player on an AFL list would not be amongst the top 5 players in an SANFL side.

For Sturt I thought they had a rough time by the umpires. I thought most of the eagles frees were there but they just didn't pay the frees to Sturt when they deserved them. Kerridge looked pretty good (why the eagles selected McCarthy instead of him in the mini-draft I'll never know) and I thought both or your rucks were more effective than ours with their tap outs, particularly in the second half. Sturt aren't that bad a side and will win quite a few games this year and be around the mark for fifth spot (same as eagles). The competitoin is so even this year and I think any team on their given day could beat the top side.

[FlyingHigh]

Interesting incident right on the quarter time siren.

Before the siren, Staple had a free/mark (?) about 50 out on a tight anlge. Took a little bit of time causing the umpire to call play on. Siren went, Staple took his kick after the siren, though at all times stayed on his line. A point was kicked and counted.
Is this an error, or was the umpire right due to some obscure rule?

(Mind you, Staple only had the ball for half the time Evans (?) did when he set up an earlier goal for Sturt and wasn't called to play on).

[Aerie]

(Mind you, Staple only had the ball for half the time Evans (?) did when he set up an earlier goal for Sturt and wasn't called to play on).

And no one takes longer than Grocke!

[topcat10]

(Mind you, Staple only had the ball for half the time Evans (?) did when he set up an earlier goal for Sturt and wasn't called to play on).

And no one takes longer than Grocke!

I timed (by the time clock) Grocke's second shot at goal - 47 seconds

[CUTTERMAN]

And on numerous occasions, and what did the umps do about it???? Sweet FA.

[FlyingHigh]

But Grocke was clearly having shots for goal, Evans wasn't and Staple was undecided.

[CUTTERMAN]

Not the point. Grocke on many occasions takes far too long for a shot on goal, never did the Umpires hurry him up. What's the time they have until a warning 20sec? Even at 30sec the ump seemed more infatuated with him than worry about the rules.

[once_were_warriors]

Not the point. Grocke on many occasions takes far too long for a shot on goal, never did the Umpires hurry him up. What's the time they have until a warning 20sec? Even at 30sec the ump seemed more infatuated with him than worry about the rules.

Agree he takes way too long.

When he takes a mark and setups for goal its a good time for a toilet break.

[DoublebluTiger]

Interesting incident right on the quarter time siren.

Before the siren, Staple had a free/mark (?) about 50 out on a tight anlge. Took a little bit of time causing the umpire to call play on. Siren went, Staple took his kick after the siren, though at all times stayed on his line. A point was kicked and counted.
Is this an error, or was the umpire right due to some obscure rule?

I was on the outer wing and noticed the exact same thing and said to my mate that the point shouldn't be counted as the umpire called play on. As soon as he heard the siren he should have called time and signalled no score. That's my opinion anyway. Be interesting to find out official ruling.