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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby bloods08 » Sat May 28, 2011 12:54 am

Jim05 wrote:Whats the go with Moran, couple of years ago I thought he was going to be ok but geez he looked ordinary tonight and to think he was on verge of crows recall. What do you westies guys think of him?
Marlon Motlop = pea heart, sorry guys i reckon north woukd be glad he is gone


Agree with both. Moran really should be dominating at this level but doesn't seem to want to work hard enough.

Still staggered why we picked up Motlop and is unbelievably now playing league ahead of guys like S Ezard, Blesing, Agars, Newton, etc.
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby Jim05 » Sat May 28, 2011 1:01 am

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Jim05 wrote:Whats the go with Moran, couple of years ago I thought he was going to be ok but geez he looked ordinary tonight and to think he was on verge of crows recall. What do you westies guys think of him?
Marlon Motlop = pea heart, sorry guys i reckon north woukd be glad he is gone


Agree with both. Moran really should be dominating at this level but doesn't seem to want to work hard enough.

Still staggered why we picked up Motlop and is unbelievably now playing league ahead of guys like S Ezard, Blesing, Agars, Newton, etc.

Yeah whats the go with that? I rocked up at 1/4 time of ressies and I see him playing, i thought he goes allright.
Willitts tried hard tonight but schmidt didnt do alot.
When the two sides ran out on the ground i thought holy crap their height is going to worry us but i didnt think you used it to your advantage
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby HOORAY PUNT » Sat May 28, 2011 1:02 am

Jim05 wrote:
NFC wrote:
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Catters_4eva wrote:Big Phil. In your opinion best players for both teams. How did Pfeffifer go on his return to the league team?

I thought he was ordinary, well underdone. He will get better

What the???? :shock: :shock:

Were you watching #11??

Pfeiffer looked like he hasn't missed a beat. He was outstanding.

Couldnt make out numbers, the players needed miners lamps so we could see them :D


Not great lighting is it . Just not up to VIEWING standard .
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby Squawk » Sat May 28, 2011 1:11 am

Will be interested to hear Red and Black's comments on this statement from Warren Partland in his match report on AdelaideNow:

"As the second quarter lengthened, ugly football became a constant with the Bloods pushing numbers back in defence."
There were a few times when West won the ball in their defensive side of the centre square, with not a single player in front of them! On another occasion, Norwood held the ball and kicked back and forth across the ground just outside their forward fifty for a number of minutes, as West had every player behind the ball!

The game started out very free flowing and attacking but it seemed like Collins decided to change game plan when the bloods fell 4 goals behind in the second quarter, as if he thought Norwood had momentum rather than rhythm. But on the whole, Westies really seemed to struggle to break the Norwood 'press' tonight. It was the first time this season that Norwood didn't look like they were playing "Round 1" footy for much of the game - even vs Sturt and North they had moments where they looked rusty.

There were plenty of high flies at the ball tonight and a couple of decent aerial grabs to boot. The umpiring was pretty poor with some mystifying decisions for and against both teams.

Decent crowd - anyone know the official figure? Looked like 3,500-4,000+
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby HOORAY PUNT » Sat May 28, 2011 1:14 am

Squawk wrote:Will be interested to hear Red and Black's comments on this statement from Warren Partland in his match report on AdelaideNow:

"As the second quarter lengthened, ugly football became a constant with the Bloods pushing numbers back in defence."
There were a few times when West won the ball in their defensive side of the centre square, with not a single player in front of them! On another occasion, Norwood held the ball and kicked back and forth across the ground just outside their forward fifty for a number of minutes, as West had every player behind the ball!

The game started out very free flowing and attacking but it seemed like Collins decided to change game plan when the bloods fell 4 goals behind in the second quarter, as if he thought Norwood had momentum rather than rhythm. But on the whole, Westies really seemed to struggle to break the Norwood 'press' tonight. It was the first time this season that Norwood didn't look like they were playing "Round 1" footy for much of the game - even vs Sturt and North they had moments where they looked rusty.

There were plenty of high flies at the ball tonight and a couple of decent aerial grabs to boot. The umpiring was pretty poor with some mystifying decisions for and against both teams.

Decent crowd - anyone know the official figure? Looked like 3,500-4,000+


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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby NFC » Sat May 28, 2011 1:23 am

Jim05 wrote:
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Catters_4eva wrote:Big Phil. In your opinion best players for both teams. How did Pfeffifer go on his return to the league team?

I thought he was ordinary, well underdone. He will get better

What the???? :shock: :shock:

Were you watching #11??

Pfeiffer looked like he hasn't missed a beat. He was outstanding.

I thought his endeavor was great but thought his skills were quite average for him, he got better as game went on but i dont think he was worthy of being in best. Maybe a bit harsh on him but only because i expect heaps from him, was great he got through game and he will be back to best soon.
Bryce definalety BOG for me with gallagher, jonas, suckling,macca and eags. Terlich played his best game for a while as did shenton. Plenty to like and good to see a good turnout of norwood supporters.

His first quarter was probably the best, had about 7 possessions and didn't waste one. I'm sorry, but you obviously were watching something else.
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby fish » Sat May 28, 2011 2:37 am

StrayDog wrote:
Norwoodman78 wrote:Great win norwood, good work we are back in the premiership run now!!!
End the evening in provisional second, will finish the round there if Glenelg beat the Eagles at home.
I'd be happy with that - it will put Centrals two games plus percentage clear on top of the ladder (assuming we beat North of course).
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby whufc » Sat May 28, 2011 7:50 am

fish wrote:
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Norwoodman78 wrote:Great win norwood, good work we are back in the premiership run now!!!
End the evening in provisional second, will finish the round there if Glenelg beat the Eagles at home.
I'd be happy with that - it will put Centrals two games plus percentage clear on top of the ladder (assuming we beat North of course).


Yep was hoping for a Norwood win, now for our lads to do the job!
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby Dog_ger » Sat May 28, 2011 9:01 am

Was Westies out smarted or should I say, out coached on the night?


Collins v Bassett


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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby CK » Sat May 28, 2011 9:05 am

After playing such attacking and freeflowing football in the opening eight rounds, it amazed me to see West suddenly revert back to such heavy flooding in the second term, that at one point, they broke free from half back and had nobody at all on their side of the centre circle. Seemed a really odd decision to go down that tactical path, after all of their best football this year had been the opposite to that.
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby bloods08 » Sat May 28, 2011 9:11 am

CK wrote:After playing such attacking and freeflowing football in the opening eight rounds, it amazed me to see West suddenly revert back to such heavy flooding in the second term, that at one point, they broke free from half back and had nobody at all on their side of the centre circle. Seemed a really odd decision to go down that tactical path, after all of their best football this year had been the opposite to that.

Unfortunately I have to agree. I think the lack of a key forward would have to be a major reason to reverting to that style of play. Webb doesn't work hard enough and spends most of his time trying to take mark of the year in the goal square.

Hopefully the return of Brad Fisher can change that.
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby wristwatcher » Sat May 28, 2011 9:17 am

I went to the game and the Bloods were simply awful. They played a lot of slow tempo football and didnt seem to have to many players willing to take a risk and break the lines. Its the first time i have seen them this year and all reports have been there form has been good and they will be a finals threat. From what i saw last night i very much think not.
Brad Moran did not look like a big man that could have an impact in the AFL for mine, perhaps he just had an off night but from what i saw he would be no match for most ruckmen in the big league.
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby redandblack » Sat May 28, 2011 9:52 am

Squawk wrote:Will be interested to hear Red and Black's comments on this statement from Warren Partland in his match report on AdelaideNow:

"As the second quarter lengthened, ugly football became a constant with the Bloods pushing numbers back in defence."
There were a few times when West won the ball in their defensive side of the centre square, with not a single player in front of them! On another occasion, Norwood held the ball and kicked back and forth across the ground just outside their forward fifty for a number of minutes, as West had every player behind the ball!

The game started out very free flowing and attacking but it seemed like Collins decided to change game plan when the bloods fell 4 goals behind in the second quarter, as if he thought Norwood had momentum rather than rhythm. But on the whole, Westies really seemed to struggle to break the Norwood 'press' tonight. It was the first time this season that Norwood didn't look like they were playing "Round 1" footy for much of the game - even vs Sturt and North they had moments where they looked rusty.

There were plenty of high flies at the ball tonight and a couple of decent aerial grabs to boot. The umpiring was pretty poor with some mystifying decisions for and against both teams.

Decent crowd - anyone know the official figure? Looked like 3,500-4,000+


Fair question, squawk. Firstly, I totally agree that there were several times where West were totally behind the ball. Where we differ is that I believe this is an indication of how a team is playing, rather than an instruction from the coach to play that way. Last night West were terrible all night, Norwood were always well on top. West looked flat and always second to the ball and when that happens, sides tend to push back in defence under weight of possession.

CK is correct in what he says, but he’ll also agree that there have been recent West v Norwood games where Norwood have done exactly the same, even to the extent that I have pointed it out to him at the time. I have also pointed the same out to Big Phil at the recent West v Centrals game when Centrals were struggling. I’m sure he would confirm that.

IMO, Norwood’s game plan is to often start with 2 men behind the ball. That’s a defensive style if ever there was one, but they do it well and have the mid-field players to often turn it into effective attack. When it isn't, they don’t score much and look very defensive. I doubt that Nathan Bassett tells them to ‘go defensive’ if they’re being beaten, it’s just the way the game goes on the night.

Last night, in fact, I would say that Norwood played an extra man in defence and West had an extra man in attack at the centre bounces. That’s not defensive by West. Did any Norwood fan see that, because it happened. What also happened was that Norwood won the clearances, were first to the ball, dominated possession to the tune of 100 or so more than West, were better organized and I struggled to find any ‘best’ players for West. The game was played in Norwood’s half and the way modern football is played, that’s where all the players will be.

As for Warren Partland, I like his articles and he’s been covering football for a long time (cue Pseudo) and I agree with nearly all of what he’s written, except for the sudden ‘instruction’ to go defensive in the second quarter. I’m sure this didn’t happen and I felt that Norwood controlled the game almost from the first bounce and I agree with Warren that West struggled to break the Norwood ‘press’.

I think West felt the loss of their best defender and best forward and also never looked like winning against a well-drilled Norwood side who were miles better on the night against a West team who had their first really bad performance for the year.

Well played by Norwood, far too good on the night.
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Sat May 28, 2011 10:04 am

Squawk wrote: The umpiring was pretty poor with some mystifying decisions for and against both teams.


That seems to go without saying these days. The standard of umpiring at the games I've seen has been pathetic.

They really need to do something about the plethora of 25 metre penalties for reasons unknown to the pubic as well as most of the players, and the holding the ball rule these days is a f'ing joke. I'd like to toss the ball to one of these weeds with whistles, and the moment he catches it, have 3 guys jump on top of him, pin his arms so he can't move, ride him to the ground and then tell him he didn't make suffient effort to dispose of the ball. Perhaps then they may understand.

The SANFL umpires are becoming as precious as their AFL mates. A reserves player last night was reported for .. get this .. squirting water from a bottle at his opponent. I'm sick of sissy umpires.
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby Big Phil » Sat May 28, 2011 10:09 am

RESERVES - Final Scores:

N'wd - 13.8 = 86

LEAGUE - Final Scores:

N'wd - 13.8 = 86

Just realised that both Norwood's Reserves and League side kicked exactly the same score !!!
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby redandblack » Sat May 28, 2011 10:11 am

AH, if it's the same incident, it was bizarre. The Norwood player was reported and Norwood were (incorrectly) given the free kick right in front of goal :shock:
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Sat May 28, 2011 10:15 am

redandblack wrote:Last night, in fact, I would say that Norwood played an extra man in defence and West had an extra man in attack at the centre bounces. That’s not defensive by West. Did any Norwood fan see that, because it happened.


Well, if West played an extra man forward, wouldn't it stand to reason to have a player covering him? :roll:

So it was NORWOOD who were defensive last night? Oh I see. It must have been all those forward thrusts and inside 50s by Norwood that confused me.
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby JK » Sat May 28, 2011 10:17 am

Big Phil wrote:RESERVES - Final Scores:

N'wd - 13.8 = 86

LEAGUE - Final Scores:

N'wd - 13.8 = 86

Just realised that both Norwood's Reserves and League side kicked exactly the same score !!!


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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby CK » Sat May 28, 2011 10:22 am

redandblack wrote:AH, if it's the same incident, it was bizarre. The Norwood player was reported and Norwood were (incorrectly) given the free kick right in front of goal :shock:


If this was Nick Ramsey in the third term or so, it was indeed a very bizarre incident with an equally odd outcome. I saw the "non-officiating" (not in the direct part of play) umprre rush to Ramsey, appear to take his number, yet Norwood then got a free at the top of their square. All standing around me were equally mystified with this one.

R&B, what you say about past West v Norwood games may well be correct, but we are looking at last night's game here, and I think its fair to say that, last night, West placed massive numbers behind the ball at times, which was really befuddling given how well they played when freeflowing and attacking so far this year.

As all who were standing with me will attest, I kept waiting and expecting West to make a run at some point at Norwood, but it just never came. All of the poise and run they had used so well to this point just looked gone.

On a side note, I'll be interested to see if the reaction from West fans to Stephen Tiller when he plays his first game at Richmond for the Eagles in round 17, is similar to that for Nathan Eagleton last night.
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Re: Rnd 9 - West v Norwood @ Richmond REVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS

Postby Baldy » Sat May 28, 2011 10:56 am

CK wrote:
redandblack wrote:AH, if it's the same incident, it was bizarre. The Norwood player was reported and Norwood were (incorrectly) given the free kick right in front of goal :shock:


If this was Nick Ramsey in the third term or so, it was indeed a very bizarre incident with an equally odd outcome. I saw the "non-officiating" (not in the direct part of play) umpre rush to Ramsey, appear to take his number, yet Norwood then got a free at the top of their square. All standing around me were equally mystified with this one.


Yes it was Nick Ramsey. Surely this won't make it as far as the Tribunal. Absolute joke. Next you'll be reported for picking your nose in public. :roll: :roll:
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