Magpies/Power Merger 4th Option

[Pseudo]

Actually, if the Magpies dont fall over Im all for a Crows ressies side, give them the same rules as everyone else, they'd never win a flag but bring heaps of more people to the SANFL and get rid of the bye. Won't happen though.

Let the Smears and Clowns both have a reserves side.

And let them play in the frickin' VFL.

Keep AFL rubbish out of the SANFL.

[nickname]

I really don't see a problem imagine crowds of say 10,000 to 25,000 at local games it would be fantastic just like the old days 60's,70's, 80's i remember a Port/Central game at Lizzie early 1980,s with around 14,000 people awesome.

There are about 10 Victorian AFL clubs with reserves sides in the VFL and they can't pull a crowd.

[Country Cousin]

I really don't see a problem imagine crowds of say 10,000 to 25,000 at local games it would be fantastic just like the old days 60's,70's, 80's i remember a Port/Central game at Lizzie early 1980,s with around 14,000 people awesome.

There are about 10 Victorian AFL clubs with reserves sides in the VFL and they can't pull a crowd.

Actually only 2 AFL clubs currently have their own stand-alone teams in the VFL, viz Geelong and Collingwood. The rest are "aligned" with various VFL and in some cases interstate teams, e.g. in Tasmania and Sydney. I doubt that drawing crowds in these feeder comps is an issue at all. It's all about exercising control over their player list, something that Port Magpies supporters should bear in mind. It they think that the controllers of the Power franchise give a damn about the fate of the "Magpies" they're dreaming.

[Voice]

Actually, if the Magpies dont fall over Im all for a Crows ressies side, give them the same rules as everyone else, they'd never win a flag but bring heaps of more people to the SANFL and get rid of the bye. Won't happen though.

Let the Smears and Clowns both have a reserves side.

And let them play in the frickin' VFL.

Keep AFL rubbish out of the SANFL.

I'm with you Pseudo.

[nickname]

I really don't see a problem imagine crowds of say 10,000 to 25,000 at local games it would be fantastic just like the old days 60's,70's, 80's i remember a Port/Central game at Lizzie early 1980,s with around 14,000 people awesome.

There are about 10 Victorian AFL clubs with reserves sides in the VFL and they can't pull a crowd.

Actually only 2 AFL clubs currently have their own stand-alone teams in the VFL, viz Geelong and Collingwood. The rest are "aligned" with various VFL and in some cases interstate teams, e.g. in Tasmania and Sydney. I doubt that drawing crowds in these feeder comps is an issue at all. It's all about exercising control over their player list, something that Port Magpies supporters should bear in mind. It they think that the controllers of the Power franchise give a damn about the fate of the "Magpies" they're dreaming.

Mate, Tasmania aren't in the VFL any more and there hasn't been an alignment with Sydney for some years. The aligned clubs like Box Hill and Northern Bullants are effectively AFL Reserves sides, with the vast majority of the team made up of AFL listed players.

[Conrad Gates]

I really don't see a problem imagine crowds of say 10,000 to 25,000 at local games it would be fantastic just like the old days 60's,70's, 80's i remember a Port/Central game at Lizzie early 1980,s with around 14,000 people awesome.

There are about 10 Victorian AFL clubs with reserves sides in the VFL and they can't pull a crowd.

Actually only 2 AFL clubs currently have their own stand-alone teams in the VFL, viz Geelong and Collingwood. The rest are "aligned" with various VFL and in some cases interstate teams, e.g. in Tasmania and Sydney. I doubt that drawing crowds in these feeder comps is an issue at all. It's all about exercising control over their player list, something that Port Magpies supporters should bear in mind. It they think that the controllers of the Power franchise give a damn about the fate of the "Magpies" they're dreaming.

Mate, Tasmania aren't in the VFL any more and there hasn't been an alignment with Sydney for some years. The aligned clubs like Box Hill and Northern Bullants are effectively AFL Reserves sides, with the vast majority of the team made up of AFL listed players.

That's right.

All VFL sides have 55 man lists (with the exception I think of Geelong, Collingwood and I think this year Bendigo Bombers (Essendon). These 3 are effectively stand alone "AFL Reserves" sides with no VFL ressies (or realistically 3rds).

It's not a bad mix. The last two GF's have seen the partially-North Melbourne-aligned North Ballarat play against the stand alone, unaligned Port Melbourne.

Whilst Geelong have won 2 VFL flags in recent memory, they haven't been entirely dominant (remembering that the Cats have a stellar AFL lisT). Collingwood made the finals in 09 after an ordinary 08. The comp is relatively even and alignment does drag in some extra punters through the gates on the strength of the AFL alliances.

Local players will still have the opportunity to be on an aligned club's list and play VFL 1s with and against AFL-listed players. I currently play in the Vic Ammos, and 3 guys from our club have been running around with Box Hill (hawthorn) for the past 2 years. One of them has pretty much played 1s all that time. 2 of them actually had a run with Hawthorn in a trial against the Crows in Berri last year as Hawthorn had all those injuries.

I lived and played in Canberra for a couple of years, as the Swans Reserves joined the ACT comp. This is a much weaker league than the SANFL obviously. At first the Swannies were good, not dominant, then they won 3 or 4 straight flags and the League needed to keep making restrictions on them insofar as how many AFL listers could be on the ground at one time etc...That, plus injuries with the Swans this year just gone brought them back to the field, and they failed to make the finals...

What I am saying is this;

- I don't believe that a Port Magpies which has a component of Port Adelaide listed players (interstate draftees, let the local SA lads stay with their SANFL clubs) would dominate the competition at all. Furthermore, they would still have ample list spots to fill through the normal SANFL processes of country/interstate/suburban recruiting. Ditto the Crows. Remember, these kids are about developing, and would be coached to that end - not necessarily winning flags.

- Full Port and Crows Ressies sides in the SANFL (as one team concerns, with no SANFL Reserves) would need to be topped up from country/amateur comps. Huge benefits for these young local guys to run around in an AFL environment, but also would mean a fiar talent gulf between player 1 (ie, in the top 30 at the Crows from an AFL perspective) and top up player 52 from C grade Amatuer level. Admit the support for the SANFL clubs may fall, however it is beholden on all SANFL fans to ensure interest in the game from the next generation does not wain...(it used to be really tough as a Belconnen 2's player to support my club mates against my AFL club of choice, but I did it!). FWIW, I still remain a supporter of Port Melbourne in the VFL here, and walk to Box Hill's ground near my place with my kids in the pram some Sundays

- SANFL clubs in their current form would still be competitive and would probably win more flags than the AFL Reserve teams. It also provides a new level to achieve!

My thoughts, anyway...

[nickname]

But it debases the SANFL. The fans of the old VFA (now VFL) bitterly resent hearing AFL commentators refer to players being dropped to "the Reserves". I never want to hear the SANFL referred to in that way. You can't expect the next generation to respect our comp if it's described and treated like that.

[eaglehaslanded]

We have a top 5 for 9 teams but would have a top 4 for 10 teams?
Im lost already.

2 out of 10 not playing finals eg: Crows, Power thus meaning 8 remaining teams have chance hence 4 team finals series. It's not rocket science Wedgie. lol

[Wedgie]

We have a top 5 for 9 teams but would have a top 4 for 10 teams?
Im lost already.

2 out of 10 not playing finals eg: Crows, Power thus meaning 8 remaining teams have chance hence 4 team finals series. It's not rocket science Wedgie. lol

Already addressed 5 days ago (the same day).Obviously it is rocket science to see if an issue has been adressed before commenting!
See the post made after that and about 3 and 6 after it mate.

[mick]

Actually, if the Magpies dont fall over Im all for a Crows ressies side, give them the same rules as everyone else, they'd never win a flag but bring heaps of more people to the SANFL and get rid of the bye. Won't happen though.

Let the Smears and Clowns both have a reserves side.

And let them play in the frickin' VFL.

Keep AFL rubbish out of the SANFL.

Great post, couldn't agree more

[StrayDog]

It's not a bad mix. The last two GF's have seen the partially-North Melbourne-aligned North Ballarat play against the stand alone, unaligned Port Melbourne.

No. Last year the Roosters beat the Carlton-aligned Bullants, and finished stronger (6 to 2 in the last) against Port Melbourne in '08.

[Hondo]

I don't think there is any chance of a Crows or Power reserves side in the near future so I don't really know why it keeps coming up when Port have already ruled it out.

Unless they change the mini-draft system (which needs SANFL clubs approval?) then I don't see how Port could even try to do it by stealth.

[nickname]

I don't think there is any chance of a Crows or Power reserves side in the near future so I don't really know why it keeps coming up when Port have already ruled it out.

Unless they change the mini-draft system (which needs SANFL clubs approval?) then I don't see how Port could even try to do it by stealth.

It keeps coming up because the Crows have said if Port has a second side playing in the SANFL, they will insist on having one too, whether Port call it a Reserves side or not.

[Hondo]

I don't think there is any chance of a Crows or Power reserves side in the near future so I don't really know why it keeps coming up when Port have already ruled it out.

Unless they change the mini-draft system (which needs SANFL clubs approval?) then I don't see how Port could even try to do it by stealth.

It keeps coming up because the Crows have said if Port has a second side playing in the SANFL, they will insist on having one too, whether Port call it a Reserves side or not.

Triggy said (as per article by Scott Walsh):

Adelaide has declared 'no charity' over the proposed Port Adelaide AFL-SANFL merger, saying it will not back any conditions that gift the Power on-field or off-field advantages.

Crows chief executive Steven Trigg said the club would delay cementing its stance on the possible union between the Power and the Port Adelaide Magpies until it had confirmed the details.

But Trigg said early speculation surrounding the merger plan, which represents the biggest upheaval in South Australian football since Port Adelaide was granted AFL entry in 1996, raised several red flags.

"If one club had a reserves-type arrangement then it would be fair to expect the same for the other. You would say that is a competitive advantage."

So I cannot see any proposal being voted for by the SANFL clubs that even remotely creates the slightest appearance of on field reserves side for the Power because everyone knows the Crows will have to be given the same. For that reason, plus it being ruled out by Port as I understand it makes it a non issue from my POV. It just won't happen.

I guess we'll see.

[HB_Flanker]

I don't think there is any chance of a Crows or Power reserves side in the near future so I don't really know why it keeps coming up when Port have already ruled it out.

Unless they change the mini-draft system (which needs SANFL clubs approval?) then I don't see how Port could even try to do it by stealth.

It keeps coming up because the Crows have said if Port has a second side playing in the SANFL, they will insist on having one too, whether Port call it a Reserves side or not.

Triggy said (as per article by Scott Walsh):

Adelaide has declared 'no charity' over the proposed Port Adelaide AFL-SANFL merger, saying it will not back any conditions that gift the Power on-field or off-field advantages.

Crows chief executive Steven Trigg said the club would delay cementing its stance on the possible union between the Power and the Port Adelaide Magpies until it had confirmed the details.

But Trigg said early speculation surrounding the merger plan, which represents the biggest upheaval in South Australian football since Port Adelaide was granted AFL entry in 1996, raised several red flags.

"If one club had a reserves-type arrangement then it would be fair to expect the same for the other. You would say that is a competitive advantage."

So I cannot see any proposal being voted for by the SANFL clubs that even remotely creates the slightest appearance of on field reserves side for the Power because everyone knows the Crows will have to be given the same. For that reason, plus it being ruled out by Port as I understand it makes it a non issue from my POV. It just won't happen.

I guess we'll see.

The merger will be voted on by the 9 SANFL Clubs and the delegate from the affiliatedd clubs. The Crows can bleat and moan all they want but they dont have a vote so their acceptance/rejection of the proposal is irrelevant

[Mr Beefy]

I don't think there is any chance of a Crows or Power reserves side in the near future so I don't really know why it keeps coming up when Port have already ruled it out.

Unless they change the mini-draft system (which needs SANFL clubs approval?) then I don't see how Port could even try to do it by stealth.

It keeps coming up because the Crows have said if Port has a second side playing in the SANFL, they will insist on having one too, whether Port call it a Reserves side or not.

Triggy said (as per article by Scott Walsh):

Adelaide has declared 'no charity' over the proposed Port Adelaide AFL-SANFL merger, saying it will not back any conditions that gift the Power on-field or off-field advantages.

Crows chief executive Steven Trigg said the club would delay cementing its stance on the possible union between the Power and the Port Adelaide Magpies until it had confirmed the details.

But Trigg said early speculation surrounding the merger plan, which represents the biggest upheaval in South Australian football since Port Adelaide was granted AFL entry in 1996, raised several red flags.

"If one club had a reserves-type arrangement then it would be fair to expect the same for the other. You would say that is a competitive advantage."

So I cannot see any proposal being voted for by the SANFL clubs that even remotely creates the slightest appearance of on field reserves side for the Power because everyone knows the Crows will have to be given the same. For that reason, plus it being ruled out by Port as I understand it makes it a non issue from my POV. It just won't happen.

I guess we'll see.

Isn't there more than one other club in the AFL? It doesn't seem to bother him that Sydney, Brisbane, Geelong, Collingwood, etc have that same competitive advantage

[nickname]

The merger will be voted on by the 9 SANFL Clubs and the delegate from the affiliatedd clubs. The Crows can bleat and moan all they want but they dont have a vote so their acceptance/rejection of the proposal is irrelevant

They don't have a vote but what's relevant is that if they view it as a de facto Reserves side they will insist on fielding their own.

[nickname]

Isn't there more than one other club in the AFL? It doesn't seem to bother him that Sydney, Brisbane, Geelong, Collingwood, etc have that same competitive advantage

It might bother him but he can hardly field a Reserves team in Sydney or Melbourne.

[Barto]

The merger will be voted on by the 9 SANFL Clubs and the delegate from the affiliatedd clubs. The Crows can bleat and moan all they want but they dont have a vote so their acceptance/rejection of the proposal is irrelevant

Don't know why the Crows would be freaking out too much. The SANFL clubs would have more to lose if the wrong decision is made than them.

[Booney]

Actually, if the Magpies dont fall over Im all for a Crows ressies side, give them the same rules as everyone else, they'd never win a flag but bring heaps of more people to the SANFL and get rid of the bye. Won't happen though.

Let the Smears and Clowns both have a reserves side.

And let them play in the frickin' VFL.

Keep AFL rubbish out of the SANFL.

How narrow minded do you need to be to think that may one day be the case?