Rnd 22 - Central v Sturt Preview @ Elizabeth (N) Sat 29/8

[whufc]

While a Sturt win would be nice, I can't see it happening.

Have the Dogs ever lost a night game at the Ponderosa? Can't remember when if it has happened.
Anyway, Sturt will want to bounce back but the Dogs to be too strong (unfortunately ).

Plenty of biffo and a few reports and aches and pains would be just the ticket though.

IIRC correctly they lost 1 game underlights to North Adelaide by less than a goal. Though the Dogs were fown by 30 points with 5 minutes to play and nearly stole it.

[Big Phil]

While a Sturt win would be nice, I can't see it happening.

Have the Dogs ever lost a night game at the Ponderosa? Can't remember when if it has happened.
Anyway, Sturt will want to bounce back but the Dogs to be too strong (unfortunately ).

Plenty of biffo and a few reports and aches and pains would be just the ticket though.

IIRC correctly they lost 1 game underlights to North Adelaide by less than a goal. Though the Dogs were fown by 30 points with 5 minutes to play and nearly stole it.

Yeah, we went down to the Roosters by 2 points from memory, a couple of years back...

Spelly ?

[doggies4eva]

While a Sturt win would be nice, I can't see it happening.

Have the Dogs ever lost a night game at the Ponderosa? Can't remember when if it has happened.
Anyway, Sturt will want to bounce back but the Dogs to be too strong (unfortunately ).

Plenty of biffo and a few reports and aches and pains would be just the ticket though.

IIRC correctly they lost 1 game underlights to North Adelaide by less than a goal. Though the Dogs were fown by 30 points with 5 minutes to play and nearly stole it.

Yeah, we went down to the Roosters by 2 points from memory, a couple of years back...

Spelly ?

2 September 2006 lost to North by 2 points. And the last time that sturt beat us at Elizabeth was 22 July 2000 by 4 points.

[whufc]

While a Sturt win would be nice, I can't see it happening.

Have the Dogs ever lost a night game at the Ponderosa? Can't remember when if it has happened.
Anyway, Sturt will want to bounce back but the Dogs to be too strong (unfortunately ).

Plenty of biffo and a few reports and aches and pains would be just the ticket though.

IIRC correctly they lost 1 game underlights to North Adelaide by less than a goal. Though the Dogs were fown by 30 points with 5 minutes to play and nearly stole it.

Yeah, we went down to the Roosters by 2 points from memory, a couple of years back...

Spelly ?

2 September 2006 lost to North by 2 points. And the last time that sturt beat us at Elizabeth was 22 July 2000 by 4 points.

IIRC as well that was the game where i think Danny Stevens ran into the open goal with no other player within 30 meters of him, only to be beaten by the end of quarter siren TWICE in the second and third quarter it happened.

[spell_check]

While a Sturt win would be nice, I can't see it happening.

Have the Dogs ever lost a night game at the Ponderosa? Can't remember when if it has happened.
Anyway, Sturt will want to bounce back but the Dogs to be too strong (unfortunately ).

Plenty of biffo and a few reports and aches and pains would be just the ticket though.

IIRC correctly they lost 1 game underlights to North Adelaide by less than a goal. Though the Dogs were fown by 30 points with 5 minutes to play and nearly stole it.

Yeah, we went down to the Roosters by 2 points from memory, a couple of years back...

Spelly ?

Yes.
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[Jimmy]

i was at the game in 2000 where we last won at elizabeth, cant see that happening this time either

dogs by a dour 21 points

isnt this about the time of year we just unravel?

[CENTURION]

Westhoff + bonus = oxymoron???

Who's a moron

Usually me ... but in this case, an oxymoron (plural oxymora (greek plural) or, more often, oxymorons) is a figure of speech that combines two normally contradictory terms.

Anyway, just putting it out there if an out of form Westhoff (whatever variety) is a bonus. Not saying I agree or disagree.

Yes, oxymoron, for example "Council Worker".

[Pseudo]

Westhoff + bonus = oxymoron???

Who's a moron

Usually me ... but in this case, an oxymoron (plural oxymora (greek plural) or, more often, oxymorons) is a figure of speech that combines two normally contradictory terms.

Anyway, just putting it out there if an out of form Westhoff (whatever variety) is a bonus. Not saying I agree or disagree.

Yes, oxymoron, for example "Council Worker".

"Glenelg Premiers"

(hey, if we can't laugh at ourselves....)

[doggies4eva]

"Port Power"

to carry on the oxymoron line

[dedja]

Sorry, looks like I've created an oxymoron monster! (Pseudo, I'll deal with you later!)

Anyway, back to the match ...

It has puzzled me slightly how the Bays seem to be able to control the Blues free flowing game but on the odd occasion, the Dogs haven't.

So what do Sturt need to do to get the points in the this one? ... or do they just play their natural game and back themselves?

Apart from the obvious reason for wanting the Blues to do well, it would be good to put some doubt into the Dogs so close to the finals even though I can't see it happening.

[doggies4eva]

Sorry, looks like I've created an oxymoron monster! (Pseudo, I'll deal with you later!)

Anyway, back to the match ...

It has puzzled me slightly how the Bays seem to be able to control the Blues free flowing game but on the odd occasion, the Dogs haven't.

So what do Sturt need to do to get the points in the this one? ... or do they just play their natural game and back themselves?

Apart from the obvious reason for wanting the Blues to do well, it would be good to put some doubt into the Dogs so close to the finals even though I can't see it happening.

Yes our worst defeat of the season was the Unley game. But given the game before that was one of the doggies greatest wins (down by 5 goals at 3/4 time in a final and got up to win) I'd say the blues owed us one. We now owe them one and I would suggest that the doggies are always a tougher assignment in August than April and also at home our record is good. Most of our injury problems are being overcome with the possible exception of Havelberg but the inclusion of Westoff (J) is a bonus and covers the Hav. The blues are third and so have to be taken seriously but will have to improve their form from what I saw on Sunday if they want a win.

[MST]

Sorry, looks like I've created an oxymoron monster! (Pseudo, I'll deal with you later!)

Anyway, back to the match ...

It has puzzled me slightly how the Bays seem to be able to control the Blues free flowing game but on the odd occasion, the Dogs haven't.

So what do Sturt need to do to get the points in the this one? ... or do they just play their natural game and back themselves?

Apart from the obvious reason for wanting the Blues to do well, it would be good to put some doubt into the Dogs so close to the finals even though I can't see it happening.

Yes our worst defeat of the season was the Unley game. But given the game before that was one of the doggies greatest wins (down by 5 goals at 3/4 time in a final and got up to win) I'd say the blues owed us one. We now owe them one and I would suggest that the doggies are always a tougher assignment in August than April and also at home our record is good. Most of our injury problems are being overcome with the possible exception of Havelberg but the inclusion of Westoff (J) is a bonus and covers the Hav. The blues are third and so have to be taken seriously but will have to improve their form from what I saw on Sunday if they want a win.

I am guessing in a few years time it will be 'down by 8 goals....'. It was 23 points but hey never let the truth get in the way of a good story

If our midfield don't take another 'RDO', as was suggested in the local messenger paper, then we are a fair chance, although Elizabeth is a graveyard for us.

The boys will respond to last weeks meek effort, whether that is enough to get the two points, well I guess we'll know by about 9pm Saturday.

Go Blues.

[doggies4eva]

Sorry MST I didn't check my facts.

I have been told a million times not to exagerate

Anyway if felt like 5 or 8 goals until we hit the front. I am hoping that we will be so far up by 3/4 on Sat night that we can ice the old blokes' hammies. You know - the ones who have 77 premierships each.

[Grahaml]

I think when Sturt have beaten us in the last few years they've been caused by our sloppy skills letting them hurt us on the way back, especially at Unley where a midfield turnover hits a forward 30 out from goal more often than not. I seem to recall 2 or 3 bad losses in the middle of the year, but thankfully not at the business end of the year since that particular game nobody remembers.

I expect the dogs to really fire up for this one. It's a fairly important game for both sides (in league and reserves too I might add) and a win will allow Centrals to retain hope of top stop if Glenelg falter. But more importantly only a few weeks from a likely qualifying final encounter this result will show where these teams are at. The dogs have been warming up nicely and keeping Justin Westhoff will allow us to keep a good structure up forward (23 marks from our 2 key forwards last week) and the skills looked really clean last week, albeit not under the pressure we will face in finals. Sounds like Havelberg won't come up but apart from him, we should be at full strength for the game. For mine the dogs will show their class, and I think Sturt will get exposed on the bigger ground and final result, dogs by a comfortable 5 goals.

[doggies4eva]

I think when Sturt have beaten us in the last few years they've been caused by our sloppy skills letting them hurt us on the way back, especially at Unley where a midfield turnover hits a forward 30 out from goal more often than not. I seem to recall 2 or 3 bad losses in the middle of the year, but thankfully not at the business end of the year since that particular game nobody remembers.

I expect the dogs to really fire up for this one. It's a fairly important game for both sides (in league and reserves too I might add) and a win will allow Centrals to retain hope of top stop if Glenelg falter. But more importantly only a few weeks from a likely qualifying final encounter this result will show where these teams are at. The dogs have been warming up nicely and keeping Justin Westhoff will allow us to keep a good structure up forward (23 marks from our 2 key forwards last week) and the skills looked really clean last week, albeit not under the pressure we will face in finals. Sounds like Havelberg won't come up but apart from him, we should be at full strength for the game. For mine the dogs will show their class, and I think Sturt will get exposed on the bigger ground and final result, dogs by a comfortable 5 goals.

Good point Gl about the skills. I think that this cost us the win against the Bays. Midfield turn-overs allowed McConnel to get some cheap goals because he didn't chase his man and stayed back near the goals. Better skills and more disciplined play will sort that out.

[MST]

Serious question grahaml, have you have said anything positive or given credit where it's due to the opposition side when Central have been beaten?

Maybe I have a selective memory but for mine, whenever the dogs lose your posts on this site are littered with 'we didn't do this' or 'our sloppy skills allowed x to play this way'...

The dogs have been the team of the decade no doubt, but surely when thay have lost, including the 2002 and 2006 GF's, it's possible they were outplayed, no?

[doggies4eva]

Serious question grahaml, have you have said anything positive or given credit where it's due to the opposition side when Central have been beaten?

Maybe I have a selective memory but for mine, whenever the dogs lose your posts on this site are littered with 'we didn't do this' or 'our sloppy skills allowed x to play this way'...

The dogs have been the team of the decade no doubt, but surely when thay have lost, including the 2002 and 2006 GF's, it's possible they were outplayed, no?

I know you are having a shot at GL MST but I will reply given that I am of the same mindset. It goes without saying that the team who wins plays best on the day. But the coach and players at doggyland (and probably most clubs) beleive that they have the ability to win every time they run out on the ground. When we lose we must look at what we can do to improve. What other option is there - wait for the opposition to get worse?

And as you have raised the 2002 GF, do you really think that Sturt were the best side or year? Or did the doggies choose the worst day of the year to put in their worst performance of the year?

[Cambridge Clarrie]

Serious question grahaml, have you have said anything positive or given credit where it's due to the opposition side when Central have been beaten?

Maybe I have a selective memory but for mine, whenever the dogs lose your posts on this site are littered with 'we didn't do this' or 'our sloppy skills allowed x to play this way'...

The dogs have been the team of the decade no doubt, but surely when thay have lost, including the 2002 and 2006 GF's, it's possible they were outplayed, no?

I know you are having a shot at GL MST but I will reply given that I am of the same mindset. It goes without saying that the team who wins plays best on the day. But the coach and players at doggyland (and probably most clubs) beleive that they have the ability to win every time they run out on the ground. When we lose we must look at what we can do to improve. What other option is there - wait for the opposition to get worse?

And as you have raised the 2002 GF, do you really think that Sturt were the best side or year? Or did the doggies choose the worst day of the year to put in their worst performance of the year?

Based on that way of thinking, why have a Grand Final? Just give the Premiership to the side that finishes top of the ladder at the end of the home and away season...

[Pseudo]

Based on that way of thinking, why have a Grand Final? Just give the Premiership to the side that finishes top of the ladder at the end of the home and away season...

Motion seconded.

All in favour, raise your hands...

[doggies4eva]

Serious question grahaml, have you have said anything positive or given credit where it's due to the opposition side when Central have been beaten?

Maybe I have a selective memory but for mine, whenever the dogs lose your posts on this site are littered with 'we didn't do this' or 'our sloppy skills allowed x to play this way'...

The dogs have been the team of the decade no doubt, but surely when thay have lost, including the 2002 and 2006 GF's, it's possible they were outplayed, no?

I know you are having a shot at GL MST but I will reply given that I am of the same mindset. It goes without saying that the team who wins plays best on the day. But the coach and players at doggyland (and probably most clubs) beleive that they have the ability to win every time they run out on the ground. When we lose we must look at what we can do to improve. What other option is there - wait for the opposition to get worse?

And as you have raised the 2002 GF, do you really think that Sturt were the best side or year? Or did the doggies choose the worst day of the year to put in their worst performance of the year?

Based on that way of thinking, why have a Grand Final? Just give the Premiership to the side that finishes top of the ladder at the end of the home and away season...

A lot of sports don't - take English soccer - their premier is what we would call minor premier and then they have the FA cup - a knock-out comp which anyone can enter.

But I still advocate a GF and I am not suggesting that Sturt were not worthy winners in 02 - they came to play on the day and we didn't. That is what the GF format tests.