Rd 13 U18s results

[MightyEagles]

dont forget that the U/18's is a mixture of U/18's and U/19's players.

Your point? Serious question.

My point is that each team is allowed to play up to 6 U/19's players each week. These players are meant to be the ones that are just out of reserves selection but are the next crop. The comp should have been an all U/18's competition.
My views though are why tamper with something that was working well for so many years, the U/17's and U/19's competition was a great one. We decided to change just to please the AFL is all wrong.

But it wasn't working well and it was unaffordably expensive what planet have you people been on?

... and it is the model that the thriving states (eg WA, Victoria) have already implemented.

The only thing that is stopping this from working even better is:

1- the College system
2 - some pigheaded SANFL clubs who have gone against the spirit of the new system (eg NAFC & WWTFC) and pushed U18 players up too early because they cleaned out their Reserves lists prematurely.

We had no choice with all the injuries in the league and reserves.

[MightyEagles]

dont forget that the U/18's is a mixture of U/18's and U/19's players.

Your point? Serious question.

My point is that each team is allowed to play up to 6 U/19's players each week. These players are meant to be the ones that are just out of reserves selection but are the next crop. The comp should have been an all U/18's competition.
My views though are why tamper with something that was working well for so many years, the U/17's and U/19's competition was a great one. We decided to change just to please the AFL is all wrong.

I tend to agree with that, the Eagles u18s side usually picks 1 or 2 u19 players each week if that so we are pretty much a u18s team anyway.

[whatever]

Mighty Eagles, in regards to being short of players.

1. Do any leagues in your zone have a bye. If you do why dont you ask the good players from that club to play regardless of age. surely this would be good for building relationships.

2. Surely you have 20 year olds in your zone that have never been given a shot and could play to get a taste of it

[Slots It Through]

Something definately needs to be done about the overage players, two weeks ago Port played 5 overage players against Norwood, and i know that Norwood had prob 4 or 5 U16 players in their side (and a couple of overage players), but there was no competition.

Its a difficult situation, any team can change significantly when you can potentially bring in some key position overage players.

At Port if it benefits the reserve player to play U18s we will do that, but if they are better off playing against men, then we send them to play SAAFL until they can get another opportunity at reserve grade level.

[MightyEagles]

Mighty Eagles, in regards to being short of players.

1. Do any leagues in your zone have a bye. If you do why dont you ask the good players from that club to play regardless of age. surely this would be good for building relationships.

2. Surely you have 20 year olds in your zone that have never been given a shot and could play to get a taste of it

I am not really the person to ask.
1. Not sure. but players are asked to come out to train if a current player checks with the coach.
2. Yes there would be, there is a player can't think of his name that is from Henley who is playing/training with Reserves/League.

[dedja]

It has always puzzled me about the college system. Why should the most talented young players be prevented from playing with their SANFL club to play school footy?

Was it Steven Trigg years ago that was prevented from playing in Central's league side for about a year by his school? ... if it wasn't him it was someone else in that era.

Yes, its a serious question ... being a graduate of the humble state school system, can someone please enlighten me as to why private schools get precedence over SANFL clubs for these players?

[whufc]

It has always puzzled me about the college system. Why should the most talented young players be prevented from playing with their SANFL club to play school footy?

Was it Steven Trigg years ago that was prevented from playing in Central's league side for about a year by his school? ... if it wasn't him it was someone else in that era.

Yes, its a serious question ... being a graduate of the humble state school system, can someone please enlighten me as to why private schools get precedence over SANFL clubs for these players?

Im from a humble state school as well (Craigmore South P.S, Craigmore H.S) so i don't know much about these private schools but is it just a case of them thinking there above all other aspects of a students life, or is it a selfish attitude from the private schools in that all they care about is winning games and making the school look better, rather than the future benefit for the student.

[wycbloods]

It has always puzzled me about the college system. Why should the most talented young players be prevented from playing with their SANFL club to play school footy?

Was it Steven Trigg years ago that was prevented from playing in Central's league side for about a year by his school? ... if it wasn't him it was someone else in that era.

Yes, its a serious question ... being a graduate of the humble state school system, can someone please enlighten me as to why private schools get precedence over SANFL clubs for these players?

Porplyzia was stopped from playing for Westies league side when he was at Sacred Heart. The contracts the parents sign for their kids at Private Schools have elements which relate to extra curricular activities, eg. sport and that the College will have precedence to their services and that they must play a winter and/or summer sport. That is my understanding of it from my experiences at a private school.

[Mutley]

It has always puzzled me about the college system. Why should the most talented young players be prevented from playing with their SANFL club to play school footy?

Was it Steven Trigg years ago that was prevented from playing in Central's league side for about a year by his school? ... if it wasn't him it was someone else in that era.

Yes, its a serious question ... being a graduate of the humble state school system, can someone please enlighten me as to why private schools get precedence over SANFL clubs for these players?

Porplyzia was stopped from playing for Westies league side when he was at Sacred Heart. The contracts the parents sign for their kids at Private Schools have elements which relate to extra curricular activities, eg. sport and that the College will have precedence to their services and that they must play a winter and/or summer sport. That is my understanding of it from my experiences at a private school.

I get the impression that the kids and parents love school footy! They get to be big fish in little ponds and love the social aspect to it. If things are going to change it is the parents who need to say no to the schools!!!!!!

[wycbloods]

It has always puzzled me about the college system. Why should the most talented young players be prevented from playing with their SANFL club to play school footy?

Was it Steven Trigg years ago that was prevented from playing in Central's league side for about a year by his school? ... if it wasn't him it was someone else in that era.

Yes, its a serious question ... being a graduate of the humble state school system, can someone please enlighten me as to why private schools get precedence over SANFL clubs for these players?

Porplyzia was stopped from playing for Westies league side when he was at Sacred Heart. The contracts the parents sign for their kids at Private Schools have elements which relate to extra curricular activities, eg. sport and that the College will have precedence to their services and that they must play a winter and/or summer sport. That is my understanding of it from my experiences at a private school.

I get the impression that the kids and parents love school footy! They get to be big fish in little ponds and love the social aspect to it. If things are going to change it is the parents who need to say no to the schools!!!!!!

It is part of going to the school and whether you like it or not you have to do it. It is a non negotiable condition of private schools.

[dedja]

It is part of going to the school and whether you like it or not you have to do it. It is a non negotiable condition of private schools.

restraint of trade?

[Mutley]

It has always puzzled me about the college system. Why should the most talented young players be prevented from playing with their SANFL club to play school footy?

Was it Steven Trigg years ago that was prevented from playing in Central's league side for about a year by his school? ... if it wasn't him it was someone else in that era.

Yes, its a serious question ... being a graduate of the humble state school system, can someone please enlighten me as to why private schools get precedence over SANFL clubs for these players?

Porplyzia was stopped from playing for Westies league side when he was at Sacred Heart. The contracts the parents sign for their kids at Private Schools have elements which relate to extra curricular activities, eg. sport and that the College will have precedence to their services and that they must play a winter and/or summer sport. That is my understanding of it from my experiences at a private school.

I get the impression that the kids and parents love school footy! They get to be big fish in little ponds and love the social aspect to it. If things are going to change it is the parents who need to say no to the schools!!!!!!

It is part of going to the school and whether you like it or not you have to do it. It is a non negotiable condition of private schools.

Rubbish! can you tell me anyone who has been expelled/ not enrolled at one of these schools because they refuse to play for their school?

If kids wanted to play for their club enough they would tell the school that is what they are doing and their parents would support them. This is not happening because they want to play for their school not because the school is actually forcing them. i would love to see a parent/ student challenge the schools on this and the outcome. Pretty sure Graham Coornes had strong views on this when his boys were there? Happy to be corrected though!

As for being 'a non-negotiable'......just because it is, doesn't make it right! The question needs to asked - "what is best for the kid?"

[rod_rooster]

The private schools offer sporting scholarships to these players. Part of that means they are required to play for the school. Sure a school cannot force kids to play sport but they can remove the scholarship. I'm sure the parents would be happy for their son to play for the school and not SANFL if it means saving $12000 or so per year.

[nickname]

This has been going on long before sporting scholarships though. I can remember in 1976 Simon Tait wasn't allowed to play for West until Sacred Heart's footy season was over.
Personally I think it stinks and the kid should be allowed to play footy at the highest level he can achieve. The reason the schools force them to play for them isn't because they think it's in the kid's best interest, but because it enhances the reputation of the school. In my opinion if they were serious about developing the kid's football ability they'd let him play at the highest level he was capable of.

[am Bays]

It is part of going to the school and whether you like it or not you have to do it. It is a non negotiable condition of private schools.

But tehy don't have to play football, they can play another winter sport like soccer, table tennis, or hockey.

[am Bays]

This has been going on long before sporting scholarships though. I can remember in 1976 Simon Tait wasn't allowed to play for West until Sacred Heart's footy season was over.
Personally I think it stinks and the kid should be allowed to play footy at the highest level he can achieve. The reason the schools force them to play for them isn't because they think it's in the kid's best interest, but because it enhances the reputation of the school. In my opinion if they were serious about developing the kid's football ability they'd let him play at the highest level he was capable of.

You can negotiate, I know at Glenelg we have developed relationships with Sacred Heart and Immanuael that we can get the kids to play league for a certain number of games and school footy too. it is all about negotiation. It certainly happened with Brad Ottens in that he missed sme school footy to play league.

[Pseudo]

You can negotiate, I know at Glenelg we have developed relationships with Sacred Heart and Immanuael that we can get the kids to play league for a certain number of games and school footy too. it is all about negotiation. It certainly happened with Brad Ottens in that he missed sme school footy to play league.

I reckon WWT once had an agreement with SHC. Got one of their players excused from school footy. Was it Matthew Pavlich?

[whatever]

My general understanding is that the private schools now allow the kids to play league football and participate in the state under 18 system.

However schoold football takes priority over reserves and colts football.

Some of the schools are starting to play ball a bit more and will let some of the better boys go if they feel that they can win without them.

The private schools would debate that they offer the children better coaching and game development than they would get at a SANFL club.

[smac]

All of the reasons outlined above are true and valid, but the one that makes me laugh is the schools who state, and actually believe, that their program is actually better than one provided by a league club. Kidding themselves. Facilities may be better in some cases, but the program is inferior in most other aspects. Applies to many sports, not just footy.

[whatever]

Out of interest ML as you appear to be in the know.

I was wondering if you could enlighten me on the cost side of things as I have no idea.

1 - what did it cost the SANFL clubs to run under 19 and under 17's

2 - what is the budgeted cost of running the under 18's and under 16's

3 - what does it cost to run a TAC team in victoria, or at least what is there budget.

I would suggest (I admit that I dont know) that the TAC competition is a lot more expensive than the SANFL and I would suspect that there is no difference in cost to the SANFL clubs between the two systems.

ML I would still like to know the anwsers