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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby am Bays » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:42 pm

sjt wrote:
After watching the GF from last year several times James should have been the jack Oatey medalist "again", though Buckets was player of the finals, and had a great game.


I think anyone of your players could have won the JO last year (Thomas, C Gowans in addition to teh names you mentioned) as I said last year it was a great team performance. :evil:

What also sets Centrals apart IMO over the last few years is the players ranked 16-21 in their line up. I reckon Centrals' bench players would make every other clubs league team. You couldn't say that about any other club (their bench players making Centrals league team). A very even unit.
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby beenreal » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:56 pm

Simple, the copied the masters, (Port Adelaide).

Then they invested in infrastructure, (Poker Machines).

And finally, they didn't have to share it with an AFL club, (Power).

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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby Brucetiki » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:59 pm

am Bays wrote:What I respect about Centrals is when copying a successful Blueprint and having moderate success (95-96) they then had a lean period 97-99 where I think they missed the finals each year (Spelly???). To keep the faith with a blueprint with an eye on the long-term goal when it wasn't successful initially, well you have to applaud them for that.


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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby Big Phil » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:23 pm

beenreal wrote:Simple, the copied the masters, (Port Adelaide).

Then they invested in infrastructure, (Poker Machines).

And finally, they didn't have to share it with an AFL club, (Power).

BINGO!!


I think the right balance of selective recruiting and blooding local talent played a bigger part than the other things mentioned beenreal. And some of the following information is a crucial part of this succes as well no doubt.

YEAR PATRON PRESIDENT CHAIRMAN SECRETARY COACH CAPTAIN
1978 R.Zerella N.Russell N.Russell K.E.Grant D.Hicks D.Mobbs
1979 R.Zerella N.Russell N.Russell K.E.Grant D.Hicks D.Mobbs
1980 R.Zerella N.Russell N.Russell K.E.Grant D.Hicks D.Mobbs
1981 R.Zerella N.Russell N.Russell K.E.Grant D.Hicks D.Mobbs
1982 R.Zerella N.Russell N.Russell K.E.Grant D.Hicks D.Mobbs
1983 R.Zerella P.Page P.Page K.E.Grant D.Hicks D.Mobbs / S.Trigg
1984 R.Zerella P.Page P.Page K.E.Grant K.Neale S.Trigg
1985 N.Russell D.B.Oldman D.B.Oldman K.E.Grant K.Neale B.Hannam
1986 N.Russell R.Zerella R.Zerella K.E.Grant K.Neale R.Van Dommele
1987 N.Russell R.Zerella R.Zerella K.E.Grant K.Neale R.Van Dommele
1988 N.Russell R.Zerella R.Zerella K.E.Grant D.N.Kerley R.Van Dommele
1989 N.Russell R.Zerella R.Zerella K.E.Grant D.N.Kerley P.Krieg
1990 N.Russell R.Zerella R.Zerella K.E.Grant D.N.Kerley P.Krieg
1991 N.Russell K.J.Russell K.J.Russell K.E.Grant A.D.Stewart G.Smith
1992 N.Russell K.J.Russell K.J.Russell K.E.Grant A.D.Stewart G.Smith / R.Girdham
1993 N.Russell K.J.Russell K.J.Russell K.E.Grant A.D.Stewart R.Girdham
1994 N.Russell K.J.Russell K.J.Russell K.E.Grant A.D.Stewart R.Girdham
1995 N.Russell K.J.Russell K.J.Russell K.E.Grant A.D.Stewart R.Girdham
1996 N.Russell K.J.Russell K.J.Russell K.E.Grant S.Wright R.Girdham
1997 N.Russell K.J.Russell K.J.Russell K.E.Grant S.Wright R.Girdham
1998 N.Russell K.J.Russell K.J.Russell K.E.Grant P.Jonas S.Lee / J.Platten
1999 R.Zerella L.Stevens L.Stevens K.E.Grant P.Jonas D.Hulm
2000 R.Zerella L.Stevens L.Stevens K.E.Grant P.Jonas D.Hulm
2001 R.Zerella L.Stevens L.Stevens K.E.Grant A.Clarkson D.Healy
2002 R.Zerella L.Stevens L.Stevens K.E.Grant A.Clarkson D.Healy
2003 R.Zerella L.Stevens L.Stevens K.E.Grant R.Laird D.Healy
2004 R.Zerella L.Stevens L.Stevens K.E.Grant R.Laird D.Healy
2005 R.Zerella L.Stevens L.Stevens K.E.Grant R.Laird D.Healy
2006 R.Zerella T.Zorich T.Zorich K.E.Grant R.Laird N.Steinberner
2007 R.Zerella T.Zorich T.Zorich K.E.Grant R.Laird P.Thomas/M.Slade
2008
R.Zerella T.Zorich T.Zorich K.E.Grant R.Laird P.Thomas/M.Slade


Of course, it is common knowledge that the great man Alan Stewart helped turn around the attitude and mind set of the footy club and certainly is one of the main reasons the club has had the success in recent years.

Plus a couple of things highlighted above and mentioned previously but the off field stability they have had with such a long serving CEO in Kris Grant can not be underestimated. Granty is a legend and has to go down as one of the best adminstrators in the SANFL for a long long time.

And don't underestimate the effect that 2 other blokes had on that footy club. A coach by the name of Stevie Wright, the former Sydney Swans player took over in 1996 when Alan Stewart left and the extra level of professionalism he brought to the club was and is invaluable.

More importantly from that, he brought a bloke over from Tasmanian club Clarence with him. He went by the name Daniel Hulm and that guy became one of the most inspirational leaders the footy club has ever seen. Their first ever Premiership captain will be remembered forever but sadly he is no longer with us anymore.
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby therisingblues » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:13 pm

People often say that Woodville's entry into the SANFL ruined Torrens. Applying the same thinking to this topic makes me wonder what affect Port's entry into the AFL had on Central's sudden swathe of premierships. Obviously they had the groundwork already prepared and adjusted the best to the new circumstances. Port were also best placed to collect a bag of flags after the Crows entered the AFL.
A club can do no more than beat the best opposition that faces it and the Dogs have done this consistently for almost a decade. I wonder though, what they would have achieved had South Australia stayed a one AFL team town.
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby MagareyLegend » Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:00 pm

The Good:
1 - Alan Stewart
2 - Gowans
3 - Gowans
4 - Chris Grant

The Bad:
1 - Cowboy Neale
2 - Daryl Hicks
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby Apachebulldog » Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:32 pm

For your info Central have made 11 Grand Finals appearances since 1995 wininng 7 of them not too bad i reckon.

What has changed heaps for sure, they copied the PAMFC blueprint for success resulting in a winning culture, the contribution from the late great Danny Hulm,the new Grand Central premises, abundance of pokies resulting in plenty of cash ensuring the right players are recruited,also great players emanating from the Baross League and lastly the GOWAN TWINS unbelievable duo.

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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby Voice » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:49 pm

Sojourner wrote:Just in relation to the current Bulldogs 50 year anniversary thread,

What do you feel it is that Central have done that have changed their side from being one that often finished towards the bottom of the ladder to a side that consistantly finishes top and has ammassed a whopping 10 premierships? What was it that they changed and did differently?

Don't give them more than what they already have. 7 premierships is correct and plenty at this stage. Understand you could be thinking ahead as the flags heading north seem to have no sign of abating as yet :roll:
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby beenreal » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:26 pm

Big Phil wrote:
beenreal wrote:Simple, the copied the masters, (Port Adelaide).

Then they invested in infrastructure, (Poker Machines).

And finally, they didn't have to share it with an AFL club, (Power).

BINGO!!


I think the right balance of selective recruiting and blooding local talent played a bigger part than the other things mentioned beenreal. And some of the following information is a crucial part of this succes as well no doubt.

That's right Big Phil, "copying the masters" is all about developing talent, selective recruiting and off-field stability.

I've talked to Kris Grant, he is one of the best around.

And selective recruiting becomes a lot easier if you have on-field success, $$ and the best facilities outside the AFL.
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby Sojourner » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:19 pm

My thoughts are that as stated above several times over, the Groundwork laid by Coach Alan Stewart has a massive amount to do with Centrals Current Success and no doubt Kris Grant has had more than just a hand in it as well.

That said, what is it that is holding back the other 8 SANFL sides from Poaching Kris Grant and making Alan Stewart an offer he cant refuse to coach the club if that really is the way to success on the SANFL ladder?
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby Hondo » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:46 pm

This is not a criticism, but there must be more than coincidence that the most dominant clubc on the field in the last 10 years is the same club killing it off the field, in comparison to the other clubs.

I am not suggesting under-hand salary cap rorts, simply that money provides the best possible infrastrure surrounding and supporting the lads on the field. Not that it's enough in isolation, but when combined with the best football people you have an irrestistible force.

If that's the case, then full credit has to go to those that set the club up so well financially.

Centrals' people .. could the on field results been achieved if the club was up against the wall financially? Maybe it's a chicken or the egg thing?
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby smac » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:00 pm

They certainly spend the cash in the right places, Hondo. Player facilities and continual improvements to all areas of the club have been going on for 15 years or more now, resulting in the current set up. The odd quality recruit have been paid for their services as well!
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby CENTURION » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:03 pm

Simple.
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby am Bays » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:19 pm

Gummy Bears Centurion??? The Gummy bears haven't played a role in Centrals success??? Theres always Gummy Bears floating around at Centrals home games..... and cake....
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby MatteeG » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:18 am

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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby JK » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:20 am

Culture must surely play a huge part in the sustained success?

Question for the Dogs fans ... Do you think you've had the most talented list every year this decade, or have you had seasons where you've achieved ultimate success against clubs with better lists, that didn't have the belief, support or experience that the Doggies have?
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby jockey » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:17 am

Constance_Perm wrote:Culture must surely play a huge part in the sustained success?

Question for the Dogs fans ... Do you think you've had the most talented list every year this decade, or have you had seasons where you've achieved ultimate success against clubs with better lists, that didn't have the belief, support or experience that the Doggies have?


Though we didnt win it in 2006, we in my opinion should have never been in the GF, Lairdy proved to me that year just how good a coach he was, and some of the players also proved just how determined and commited they are to each other.
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby Big Phil » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:25 am

Constance_Perm wrote:Culture must surely play a huge part in the sustained success?

Question for the Dogs fans ... Do you think you've had the most talented list every year this decade, or have you had seasons where you've achieved ultimate success against clubs with better lists, that didn't have the belief, support or experience that the Doggies have?


I think that this has probably been the case in seasons gone by but importantly, the club is able to turn lists over with quality like for like players, whether it be local products coming up through the grades or selective recruiting. The club prides itself on bringing in people to the footy club that are not just good footballers but good personalities that can slot into the system and then adopt the culture fittingly.

Many would say that last year Glenelg and Sturt probably had better lists than Centrals and we all know those 2 sides were clearly the better sides out of the 3 in the minor round. I also think that the professionalism of the club creates a stable atmosphere that certainly attributes to the culture that has evolved over the years. I think this is in part why so many Centrals people say that 2008's flag was up there with the best of them.

In 2002 they were clearly the best team in the competition but of course were unable to capture the ultimate prize after clearly being beaten by the better team on the day. Roy Laird showed how good he really was as a coach in 2006 getting his side into the GF but with inconsistant performances, they were shown up on the first day in October, clearly again by a better side in the Eagles. I think in a few earlier premierships they were advantaged by having some quality AFL listed players available in the likes of Brent Guerra, Michael Stevens and Stuart Dew.

In 2004 I think we probably had the best list going around and the record grand final result was probably fair evidence of this. Another factor that I think plays a huge part in their success is the self belief not just within the playing group but at the club as a whole. Stability off the field certainly helps and the professional facilities on offer help with the players mind set, thus reflecting in their performances.

Then of course, it helps when they have a master coach in the likes of Roy Laid and a long serving CEO in one Kris Grant. It is no suprise that in the 10 years the Gowans twins have been at the club success has been sustained. They have given so much to the club and have certainly played a big part in getting good recruits to the club but of course their on field performances speak for themselves.
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby RUSure » Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:36 am

Centrals are a fascinating study for any organisation wanting to observe sustained succes in a highly competitive environment. I remain amazed that no AFL club has made an appointment with Kris or Roy to ask what they actually do to achieve their amazing record.

In my opinion

1. Culture (refer Any Given Team by Ray McLean, founder of Leading Teams - the group that works with teams all over he world but significantly Swans, Power, Crows, Hawks, Cats et cetera). Ray details in the book his own professional career and how it all began at Centrals through a meeting he initiated with Alan Stewart. Alan, to his credit, took a chance on Ray and his philosophy of player (employee) empowerment. Ray is the person who originally came up with 'Leadership Group' and Centrals have embraced this concept and now have a club philosophy around coach selection, recruitment, player behaviour, player payments and game style that they never compromise on (refer Alistair Clarksons quick exit). To the point that a prominent recruit at one club was 'rejected' by Centrals on the basis that he was not a good enough bloke (undoubted football ability aside).
2. Stability - refer Kris, coaching appointments, low recruit turnover. They are the only club who have maintained the original model of GM or CEO, Marketing Manager and 'support' staff ie no Football Manager (in the case of a couple of clubs no Marketing Manager but a Football Manager). I understand the argument of core business being football and winning games but the person at the top, in Centrals case, takes full responsibility for recruiting, player contracts, volunteer programs et cetera rather than watering down his role to being a gaming venue manager.
3. Money - invested very wisely in quality recruits, quality facilities and regenerating their gaming venue. They can recruit now on the baiss of success and the chance to play in Grand Finals, which is very alluring to any potential player, but they are well past the notion of needing to pay the highest to get the best. Not one of their players would be in the highest paid 10 in the competition.
4. Identification of talent - that their Board recognises the value of Kris and supports him, adopting his recommendations and provides him with the structure he needs to succeed. Kris has proven his eye for talent on the field and has recruited few hack players in the last ten years but unlike the myth does not recruit excessively. No doubt Chris and James have been a key plank in all of this as they now do plenty of recruiting themselves and have for years. Ever had a night on the town with two of the most recognisable larrikans in the city? Quality footballers (greats even) and quality blokes.
5. Volunteer base that is talented, lacking in ego and aware of the rules. Every person knows their role, enjoys their role and is happy doin gtheir role. If there are any issues they are dealt with quietly and efficiently (read ruthlessly).
6. Do not believe the Centrals generated rubbish that they copied anyone. They want us to believe this to deflect from their formula.
7. Leadership - great, uncompromising, with integrity from on-field to the Boardroom.

I have long thought a person with some time and some talent should write a book 'The Rise and Rise of Kris' or something similar because the story is fascinating and would be full of intersting anecdotes from behind the scenes (Danny Hulm bailingup the twins at half-time and physically threateneing them if they continued to try and accumulate possessions for each other etc.)
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Re: What made Central the success that they currently are?

Postby beenreal » Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:29 am

From my information, Port Adelaide and maybe the other teams are distancing themselves from the Leading Teams model at a rapid rate of knots.

Must admit I had my doubts from the start.
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