"The First Bounce" sponsors SA Footy!

[Wedgie]

Hmmm! Gerry at Unley a Dog's supporter & Jamie at Elizabeth a Blue's Man!!!

ha ha, I actually said the same thing to Gerry today when I made a visit to his store to buy the Ken Eustice book!

[Dogsbody]

Hmmm... lets see, Wedgie has said thank you... one down, ummm, lots more left to go!

[zipzap]

As mentioned on another club's forum, if I buy my gear from this guy is my club pocketing anything? Specifically, Sturt's merchandise is handled by Sandy Nelson Sportswear - if I bought say a guernsey from The First Bounce would the club still see some $ benefit?

[rsemmler]

Zipzap, no unfortunately.

[zipzap]

Zipzap, no unfortunately.

Then I fear he's going to struggle with his SANFL range as you'd think the only people committed enough to buy it would like to see their club supported as priority #1. Which is a shame as I'd love to support his initiative too.

[westside]

Fair enough to support your club, but some of you are missing the bigger picture.


Club merchandise in a retail store is highly visible to casual shoppers. It's free marketing to people who ordinarily wouldn't stumble across a product if it were only for sale at your football club or website. The retailer will only stock merchandise (and hence give the clubs free marketing) if it makes them money, so it's us who have to buy this stuff to keep it in the store. Does the club make less money directly? Yes. But on the flip side, it at least gets more exposure in the general public, which is sorely lacking these days.

If you think it's unfair, look at how supermarket chains do business. Coke isn't stacked in 3m high displays on the end of aisles for the fun of it. The store usually makes a loss selling the stuff, but is getting kick backs from the suppliers to make their product more visible than the opposition's. But it's the same thing - it's not about the sale, it's about visibility.

[zipzap]

Fair enough to support your club, but some of you are missing the bigger picture.


Club merchandise in a retail store is highly visible to casual shoppers. It's free marketing to people who ordinarily wouldn't stumble across a product if it were only for sale at your football club or website. The retailer will only stock merchandise (and hence give the clubs free marketing) if it makes them money, so it's us who have to buy this stuff to keep it in the store. Does the club make less money directly? Yes. But on the flip side, it at least gets more exposure in the general public, which is sorely lacking these days.

If you think it's unfair, look at how supermarket chains do business. Coke isn't stacked in 3m high displays on the end of aisles for the fun of it. The store usually makes a loss selling the stuff, but is getting kick backs from the suppliers to make their product more visible than the opposition's. But it's the same thing - it's not about the sale, it's about visibility.

True enough, the only flaw in that argument being the fact that the 'general public' you mention would be 95% Elizabethans who would be unlikely to impulse-buy a Panthers yo-yo cos it's on the shelf.

[Wedgie]

As I said previously zipzzap, Jamie's looking at expanding in the near future.

Personally I might buy a North guernsey at The First Bounce and spend the money I'd normally spend on a guernsey on North on other merchandise, events or sponsorship through the club that I wouldn't have normally bought, that way everyone wins!

Just make sure you buy all your afl, soccer, rugby gear, and a State Guernsey from the First Bounce at the very least.

I can't tell you after running websites out of my own pocket for years how grateful I am to have some help!
It appeases Mrs Wedgie a bit too.

[Ian]

Yes I did, he said heritage guernseys and guernseys like North's Darwin guernsey could be ordered in but this would depend on deman for them.

At Mondays Darwin info meeting it was stated that the Darwin Guernsey and Heritage Guernseys would NOT be made available for general sale, so that those that purchased them by auction would have a guernsey that would retain its value. The same was said about the Darwin shirts, they will not be available to anyone who does not go to Darwin.

[Wedgie]

At Mondays Darwin info meeting it was stated that the Darwin Guernsey and Heritage Guernseys would NOT be made available for general sale, so that those that purchased them by auction would have a guernsey that would retain its value. The same was said about the Darwin shirts, they will not be available to anyone who does not go to Darwin.

Times have changed Ian, the clubs don't have the say now, the manufactuer does. If there's $$$ to be made the manufacturer and enough interest Jamie will get them in.
That's the word from the manufactuer of these guernseys. Its a bit like the State Guernseys were an exclusive item before not for sale to the general public.

This IMHO is a good thing as guernseys such as heritage guernseys and this Darwin guernsey have been way to exclusive for my liking, it'll be good that the commone Joe will now be able to afford one. Jamie might not have the interest to get them in but hopefully it will put some pressure on the clubs to look after the average fan and not just Vice Presidents.

I'll explain further when we're in Darwin champ (if I ever get there!)

PS Just on the First Bounce its great to have a stock of guernseys in various sizes especially kids sizes so we don't have to wait weeks to get one in now.

[drebin]

Well Wedgie I have been told that the heritage and limited edition design remains the property of the club and not the league as per the normal jumper. The manufacturer makes the special edition jumpers under licence and permission of the club involved and the NAFC will maintain limited numbers only and only make available through the club. As for the normal jumper - no problems how many are sold and where they are sold.

[Wedgie]

Well Wedgie I have been told that the heritage and limited edition design remains the property of the club and not the league as per the normal jumper. The manufacturer makes the special edition jumpers under licence and permission of the club involved and the NAFC will maintain limited numbers only and only make available through the club. As for the normal jumper - no problems how many are sold and where they are sold.

As I said to Ian, times have changed drebin, I'll explain it further for ya in Darwin, cya then!

Probably not even worth discussing as I doubt there'd be enough demand for these type of jumpers, not the same amount of diehards as there used to be but I'll clarify for you further.

[drebin]

Well I just spoke to Glenn about some other issues and mentioned the jumper debate. He said there is no way any special run jumper will be sold commercially anywhere - other then those sold/auctioned from the NAFC. The logos, be it the club or the SANFL belong to the league/clubs and only certain manufacturers have permission to produce any jumper. Clubs are allowed to produce whatever numbers they see fit and North will only produce very limited numbers of heritage etc jumpers so the status quo will remain. You can check with him when we get to Darwin.

[Wedgie]

Well I just spoke to Glenn about some other issues and mentioned the jumper debate. He said there is no way any special run jumper will be sold commercially anywhere - other then those sold/auctioned from the NAFC. The logos, be it the club or the SANFL belong to the league/clubs and only certain manufacturers have permission to produce any jumper. Clubs are allowed to produce whatever numbers they see fit and North will only produce very limited numbers of heritage etc jumpers so the status quo will remain. You can check with him when we get to Darwin.

Already spoke to Glenn on Tuesday mate.
As I said I'll explain to you further in Darwin.
Don't stress, as I said, its not even going to be an issue IMHO.

Norwood's still trying to work out how The First Bounce got 2006 Norwood guernseys in weeks before they could!

[duncs7]

xcellent deal u guys worked out.
I went in there this morning and got a new Centrals gurnsey with the discount.
Finally, following this forum is starting to pay off!!

[Strawb]

I am looking forward to the website being posted on here so i can have a look at the jumpers. I might have to order one for me over here in Viccy.

[Wedgie]

Strawbs, they look good, authentic SANFL guernseys with the 2006 logos.
If you ring Jamie I'm sure he'll send it to you in Vic for less than the discount to still make it worth your while!

Here's some info I got from Jamie today that might help clear a few things up too:

Hi Wedgie

I have made a call to my supplier/manufacturer and I am waiting on a solid reply on some specifics.

This is what I do know for sure at this moment.

Any guernsey that the current manufacturer/supplier makes I can get made and have been told that I can get it made to size - no minimums as far as I have been told which is a good thing as far as guernseys are concerned.

Now if a club gets a guernsey made through a different supplier or manufacturer that I currently do not deal with I would have to get permission from all involved. In some of these cases there will be clubs that want exclusivity on a guernsey and in these cases every option will be treated on there individual basis. In some other cases clubs will want help with distribution as well in which we will help any club with. I will always try and help the footy fan or the person buying for the footy fan as at least 80% of our customers are buying for some one else and generally want the product there and then.If they can not get it they will generally buy something else that is available.

If some one wants a guernsey and no one has it or will get it made for them and the current manufacturer/supplier that I deal with can make it I will do it for them - I am even looking into the prospect of interstate league options as well.

There are so many options and things to work through on the guernsey offers and after all that is said and done I did get the SANFL State jumper back on peoples backs.

Any other special SANFL club event polo's, cap's or gift lines will be for club only and any one that ever asks I will always direct straight to the club involved and even make a call on there behalf as these are generally made as a specific one offs. If for what ever reason the footy fan or the person buying for the footy fan can not get what they need I will always try my hardest to help them get it though.

I hope this helps a little.

Thanks
Jamie

[Punk Rooster]

Now, I'm not on any inner sanctum, but I'm pretty sure you can't just walk in & order any guernsey you like, & get it made. I tried a few years ago, to get a copy of the old candy striped jumper, but was told 1) I needed written permission from the NAFC to use the Roosters logo 2) I would also need written permission from the SANFL, to use their logo. Bearing in mind also, none of this was for profit, yet they would not manufacture (ie infringe on copyright) a jumper for me, without permission. So I'd say (I am guessing) that permission has been granted to do runs of Home & Away club jumpers, & the State jumper. As NAFC did the Heritage jumper as a one-off, their integrity must (& I dare say will) be upheld by the club. I've spent $490 on 2 x Heritage jumpers, knowing they were a one-off. I have faith in the fact that it will remain that way.

[Mikey@the_first_bounce]

Hey wedgi, My name is mikey i work at The First Bounce. Just like to say the banner looks great.

[Wedgie]

Hey wedgi, My name is mikey i work at The First Bounce. Just like to say the banner looks great.

Cheers Mikey, good to have you on board! Enjoy the website!