AFL Reserves Discussion...

[gossipgirl]

Who/what will get to 100 first, this thread or an Australian batsman....

unfortunately I think this thread will reach 100 first and the word integrity will be miss used 100 times as well :shock:

Been thinking about this. People on here screaming "integrity" in every post and then they rejoice in the demise (or otherwise) of the Port Adelaide Magpies.

For a port person you make far too much sense

[on the rails]

Been thinking about this. People on here screaming "integrity" in every post and then they rejoice in the demise (or otherwise) of the Port Adelaide Magpies.

Well don't you get it that the PAFC has to give up something for the wish to have an AFL Reserves side? How can you (your club) sprout integrity when it wants and advantage that the Crows will not have re their Reserves side nor will any other AFL Reserves side (except maybe the 2 WA teams ultimately and look at that mess) and also the advantages that the PAFC would have over the other SANFL clubs in trying to keep the Magpies under the model your club wants. This has been pointed out time and time again through the pages of this topic!

[Dogwatcher]

It's interesting that compromise has two meanings...

Certain posters aren't keen to compromise what their club wants, while others fear that what those posters want will compromise the competition further than it has been.

[areaman]

All the discussion around the proposed structure of the Crows and Port teams is nothing more than a huge distraction from what is really the issue at stake. It is just noise which is adding nothing to the real debate - what is the impact on the SANFL competition if they are allowed in - regardless of where or how they get their players from.

I'm also not interested in the arguments about whether the AFL reserves teams would be too strong or not strong enough in the SANFL League competition. More noise clouding the issue.

It's like asking me whether I'd like my left or right arm chopped off - my main preference is to have neither chopped off thank you very much.

Reality is these side issues will have no impact on the decision of any of us to abandon the SANFL should the AFL clubs be allowed in. Some of us will stay and some will walk away. But nobody will change their decision based on whether the Port team is the same structure as the Crows or if they keep some or all of their recruiting zone.

I just hope the league directors aren't getting bogged down in this sort of administrative detail too.

[Booney]

It's interesting that compromise has two meanings...

Certain posters aren't keen to compromise what their club wants, while others fear that what those posters want will compromise the competition further than it has been.

Absolutely. Ultimately both will have to compromise and show integrity.

[Booney]

Been thinking about this. People on here screaming "integrity" in every post and then they rejoice in the demise (or otherwise) of the Port Adelaide Magpies.

Well don't you get it that the PAFC has to give up something for the wish to have an AFL Reserves side? How can you (your club) sprout integrity when it wants and advantage that the Crows will not have re their Reserves side nor will any other AFL Reserves side (except maybe the 2 WA teams ultimately and look at that mess) and also the advantages that the PAFC would have over the other SANFL clubs in trying to keep the Magpies under the model your club wants. This has been pointed out time and time again through the pages of this topic!

Seems you consider it a done deal?

[on the rails]

Been thinking about this. People on here screaming "integrity" in every post and then they rejoice in the demise (or otherwise) of the Port Adelaide Magpies.

Well don't you get it that the PAFC has to give up something for the wish to have an AFL Reserves side? How can you (your club) sprout integrity when it wants and advantage that the Crows will not have re their Reserves side nor will any other AFL Reserves side (except maybe the 2 WA teams ultimately and look at that mess) and also the advantages that the PAFC would have over the other SANFL clubs in trying to keep the Magpies under the model your club wants. This has been pointed out time and time again through the pages of this topic!

Seems you consider it a done deal?

No but the Directors have agreed at least to look at the Crows model where as they have flat out rejected the PAFC models.

[beenreal]

Been thinking about this. People on here screaming "integrity" in every post and then they rejoice in the demise (or otherwise) of the Port Adelaide Magpies.

Well don't you get it that the PAFC has to give up something for the wish to have an AFL Reserves side? How can you (your club) sprout integrity when it wants and advantage that the Crows will not have re their Reserves side nor will any other AFL Reserves side (except maybe the 2 WA teams ultimately and look at that mess) and also the advantages that the PAFC would have over the other SANFL clubs in trying to keep the Magpies under the model your club wants. This has been pointed out time and time again through the pages of this topic!

Seems you consider it a done deal?

No but the Directors have agreed at least to look at the Crows model where as they have flat out rejected the PAFC models.

Which says more about them than it does about the PAFC

[on the rails]

Again the 8 SANFL Clubs must be wrong and have no integrity and the PAFC is always right with lost's of integrity! Seriously do believe the shite you lot post? It is one thing to defend you club but try and put some logic and fact around your arguements if possible.

[StrayDog]

Been thinking about this. People on here screaming "integrity" in every post and then they rejoice in the demise (or otherwise) of the Port Adelaide Magpies.

This has come up before.

Adding or removing elements from a thing doesn't necessarily effect the integrity of what it's about / basic function / what it stands for, particularly when what remains might "take up the slack" as that "thing" sees fit.

To draw a parallel, while company "downsizing" (yes, I've been at the receiving end too!) has an effect on those immediately associated, the integrity / ethos / core business and "values" of the company might stay relatively unaffected - regardless of what others may think of it.

It is pretty safe to assume that not everyone that isn't a Magpies person want to see them flicked. However, it's not so wise to dismiss out of hand the views of those that see their removal as a viable option, in light of what others are proposing, as hypocritical.

In my view.

[smac]

Which says more about them than it does about the PAFC

Look at you, learning a new way to deflect.

[SANFLnut]

I believe the Crows have suggested they access their top up players from other SANFL clubs and that these players shuttle backwards and forwards between their original SANFL club and Crows reserves. Wouldn't that put these young players in the same " development harming" situation that the Crows are trying to remove their players from? How will a West Adelaide developed 19yo who is a part time footballer, part time uni student, part time worker receive benefit from training 2 nights a week with HIS club and once late in the week at West Lakes to then play a bit part as an afterthought in a Crows side? Surely his chances of playing league football are enhanced by being BOG for our reserves side? Surely he benefits from being under the guidance of our development coaches all week?

[gossipgirl]

lets all hold hands and sing

Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.

[whufc]

I believe the Crows have suggested they access their top up players from other SANFL clubs and that these players shuttle backwards and forwards between their original SANFL club and Crows reserves. Wouldn't that put these young players in the same " development harming" situation that the Crows are trying to remove their players from? How will a West Adelaide developed 19yo who is a part time footballer, part time uni student, part time worker receive benefit from training 2 nights a week with HIS club and once late in the week at West Lakes to then play a bit part as an afterthought in a Crows side? Surely his chances of playing league football are enhanced by being BOG for our reserves side? Surely he benefits from being under the guidance of our development coaches all week?

They won't give a hoot about the development of the top up players.

They are purely a means to be able to field 21 players to get their reserves side for the 5-15 players on their list who will play.

Especially considering having a top player absolutely guarentees them nothing when it comes to drafting these guys

[Jim05]

I believe the Crows have suggested they access their top up players from other SANFL clubs and that these players shuttle backwards and forwards between their original SANFL club and Crows reserves. Wouldn't that put these young players in the same " development harming" situation that the Crows are trying to remove their players from? How will a West Adelaide developed 19yo who is a part time footballer, part time uni student, part time worker receive benefit from training 2 nights a week with HIS club and once late in the week at West Lakes to then play a bit part as an afterthought in a Crows side? Surely his chances of playing league football are enhanced by being BOG for our reserves side? Surely he benefits from being under the guidance of our development coaches all week?

This model should be canned immediately.
The 2 AFL sides if admitted should not be able to use any players on a current SANFL list at any age group.
Their top up players must come from country footy or the ammos

[on the rails]

They won't give a hoot about the development of the top up players.

They are purely a means to be able to field 21 players to get their reserves side for the 5-15 players on their list who will play.

Especially considering having a top player absolutely guarentees them nothing when it comes to drafting these guys

I am yet to read any answer to the question of how is having a Reserves side one week from the next made up of AFL listed players let's say taking into account injuries, numbers this week 11 AFL listed and needs to be topped up by 10 fringe SANFL Reserves standard players and a few select U'18's. How is this going to help the AFL players develop into a game pattern etc. to satisfy the Senior AFL coach. It is almost laughable that either the Crows or Power can consider this is good for any players development (including those players in the top up pool) under those circumstances?

Take Port AFL this year - what Reserves grade did Wines and Neade play in that got them an AFL game? They haven't so how can anyone argue the proposed AFL Reserves Teams is going to improve development? All it is going to do is guarentee the spuds like Danny Butcher a SANFL League Game when he is clearly not good enough to get one under the current system. The only reason he is playing league at the Magpies is the PAFC can't lose face after moving him from North's reserves for development which would be admitting we were right if he was dropped. He is getting a game under false pretences to try and justify Port's grand plan!

[Booney]

They won't give a hoot about the development of the top up players.

They are purely a means to be able to field 21 players to get their reserves side for the 5-15 players on their list who will play.

Especially considering having a top player absolutely guarentees them nothing when it comes to drafting these guys

I am yet to read any answer to the question of how is having a Reserves side one week from the next made up of AFL listed players let's say taking into account injuries, numbers this week 11 AFL listed and needs to be topped up by 10 fringe SANFL Reserves standard players and a few select U'18's. How is this going to help the AFL players develop into a game pattern etc. to satisfy the Senior AFL coach. It is almost laughable that either the Crows or Power can consider this is good for any players development (including those players in the top up pool) under those circumstances?

Take Port AFL this year - what Reserves grade did Wines and Neade play in that got them an AFL game? They haven't so how can anyone argue the proposed AFL Reserves Teams is going to improve development? All it is going to do is guarentee the spuds like Danny Butcher a SANFL League Game when he is clearly not good enough to get one under the current system. The only reason he is playing league at the Magpies is the PAFC can't lose face after moving him from North's reserves for development which would be admitting we were right if he was dropped. He is getting a game under false pretences to try and justify Port's grand plan!

Crap. I'll get hold of KT tonight and let him know, the gig is up. North are onto us.

[Apachebulldog]

What about

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[beenreal]

I believe the Crows have suggested they access their top up players from other SANFL clubs and that these players shuttle backwards and forwards between their original SANFL club and Crows reserves. Wouldn't that put these young players in the same " development harming" situation that the Crows are trying to remove their players from? How will a West Adelaide developed 19yo who is a part time footballer, part time uni student, part time worker receive benefit from training 2 nights a week with HIS club and once late in the week at West Lakes to then play a bit part as an afterthought in a Crows side? Surely his chances of playing league football are enhanced by being BOG for our reserves side? Surely he benefits from being under the guidance of our development coaches all week?

Let's assume we are living in the real world where the only consideration is the least disruptive Reserves model. So you've raised an interesting perspective SANFLnut.

My understanding is you're on the money with "top up" players, provided on a rotational basis from the 8 SANFL clubs across the season. Does that mean the top up players change every few weeks? If they come to the Crows from your club, West Adelaide, are they players from Westies Reserves list, because pinching League players might be considered "compromising"? Who decides which players they are and do they have to play for the Crows if they don’t want to?

Will they train with the Crows Reserves team at all, or are they expected to just turn up on match day, find out where they are playing and say, "Hi, I'm your team mate for the day, let's band together and take this seriously?"

And most important, what happens in Finals? Does the AFL club select the SANFLs best top up players from across the year?

Again, I'm really not sure how "integrity" and "uncompromised" fits in that scenario at all. And yet that seems to be the preferred model for both clubs by the SANFL Directors?

[Apachebulldog]

Why are we all arguing everyone know this is all one big con to satisfy the whim of Crow Sanderson and the Power which will result in the peril of the SANFL

OPEN YOUR EYES ALL YOU MYOPIC MUPPETS !!!