AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Wedgie]

I've got a compromise, once the license issue is resolved and we no longer have to fork out for one and get income from the other (not really cancelling each other out as the charity to Port far exceed the income the Crows provided us) we can tell them where they can shove it as we have no interest in them anymore.
These 2 business forget they solely exist for their original license holder's benefit, once they've been cut loose they are of no benefit. Pure and simple.

[Aerie]

I like it trb. Creative thinking that potentially gives somewhat of a win to all parties. The best suggestion for reserves teams in the league competition so far. The financial rewards would need to be reasonable to make it worthwhile for the SANFL clubs to play their best (or close to best) teams. Danger being if the games against the AFL Reserves sides becomes little more than a trial game then most weeks we'll only have 3 genuine games instead of the 4 we currently have. Currently 13% of a club's season is taken up with the bye (3/23), in this case 22% of the club's season is taken up with playing an AFL team (say 5/22).

Could work. I would hope this comes to the attention of the powers that be if they are thinking of voting in favour of AFL reserves in the SANFL.

[UK Fan]

I've got a compromise, once the license issue is resolved and we no longer have to fork out for one and get income from the other (not really cancelling each other out as the charity to Port far exceed the income the Crows provided us) we can tell them where they can shove it as we have no interest in them anymore.
These 2 business forget they solely exist for their original license holder's benefit, once they've been cut loose they are of no benefit. Pure and simple.

LIKE!!

[Mic]

I had an idea of a compromise.
If the two sides played in the SANFL it shouldn't be for premiership points.

But then the other sides would just field experimental sides and it'd be a joke. The two AFL sides would also be excluded from the premiership ladder, which would just show the surviving 8 SANFL sides and the culmination of their efforts against the other SANFL sides with regards wins/losses/percentage.

What the 2 AFL sides would need to do is provide an incentive for the SANFL sides to field more serious opposition.

If we created a second premiership ladder, one which included the results of all SANFL matches including those involving AFL reserves sides, we could create an AFL funded separate pool of prizemoney for how teams finish on that ladder. Eg:

Uncompromised SANFL ladder after round 12

Norwood 9 wins 1 loss
North 8-2
West 7-3
Eagles 5-5
Central 5-5
South 3-7
Sturt 2-8
Glenelg 1-9

All teams would have had 2 byes ( not sure if that's mathematically correct but that's not the point.) during that bye they played either Port or Adelaide reserves.
If we actually counted those results in an AFL funded AFL/SANFL reserves premiership ladder may look like this:

Norwood 10-2
Port 9-3
North 9-3
West 8-4
Adelaide 8-4
Eagles 6-6
Central 6-6
Sturt 3-9
South 3-9
Glenelg 1-11

A nominal amount of cash could be up for grabs for the winner of each game involving an AFL reserves side. There vod also be end of year bonuses for sides finishing in the top two positions of the AFL/RES ladder.

I have an idea about how finals could be structured but I want to see if this idea doesn't get the shit canned out of it too badly before I offer anything else.

On the face of it, it protects the SANFL's integrity and offers stiff competition for the AFL ressies. I'm sure there's a downside.
What do people think?

I stopped reading after, "...it shouldn't be for premiership points."

[therisingblues]

I like it trb. Creative thinking that potentially gives somewhat of a win to all parties. The best suggestion for reserves teams in the league competition so far. The financial rewards would need to be reasonable to make it worthwhile for the SANFL clubs to play their best (or close to best) teams. Danger being if the games against the AFL Reserves sides becomes little more than a trial game then most weeks we'll only have 3 genuine games instead of the 4 we currently have. Currently 13% of a club's season is taken up with the bye (3/23), in this case 22% of the club's season is taken up with playing an AFL team (say 5/22).

Could work. I would hope this comes to the attention of the powers that be if they are thinking of voting in favour of AFL reserves in the SANFL.

Thanks for taking the trouble to respond Aerie. You're dead right about the danger of only 3 genuine games most weeks. The money would need to be significant. In that way it'd be like the Foxtel cup, unlike the Foxtel cup matches would be scheduled reasonably with no existing programme clashes.

[therisingblues]

Mic.
They'd be playing for cash, and points in a "parallel" league, for want of a better term.

[daysofourlives]

Expect something like this to come out soon;
http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/club%20images/attachments/Evolution.pdf

I actually went through the whole proposal, they neglect to mention the numbers of AFL listed players that wernt allowed tp play finals for their WAFL clubs.
I think this is the biggest issue any proposal faces.

Here's a scenario, The Crows SANFL team finishes top, they play in the 2nd semi-final and win easy through to the grand final. On the same weekend the Crows AFL are knocked out of the finals. They send ALL players off for surgery/holidays etc, who then plays in the G/F, do we have to watch someone beat the Crows by 200points in what should be the showcase event of the SANFL season?

I just can not see how this doesnt ruin the integrity of the comp

[the joker]

Expect something like this to come out soon;
[url]http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/club%20images/attachments/Evolution.pdf[/url]

I actually went through the whole proposal, they neglect to mention the numbers of AFL listed players that wernt allowed tp play finals for their WAFL clubs.
I think this is the biggest issue any proposal faces.

Here's a scenario, The Crows SANFL team finishes top, they play in the 2nd semi-final and win easy through to the grand final. On the same weekend the Crows AFL are knocked out of the finals. They send ALL players off for surgery/holidays etc, who then plays in the G/F, do we have to watch someone beat the Crows by 200points in what should be the showcase event of the SANFL season?

I just can not see how this doesnt ruin the integrity of the comp

If a side makes the GF they are not going to pull the players out to give them a 7 day head start on pre season

[daysofourlives]

Expect something like this to come out soon;
[url]http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/club%20images/attachments/Evolution.pdf[/url]

I actually went through the whole proposal, they neglect to mention the numbers of AFL listed players that wernt allowed tp play finals for their WAFL clubs.
I think this is the biggest issue any proposal faces.

Here's a scenario, The Crows SANFL team finishes top, they play in the 2nd semi-final and win easy through to the grand final. On the same weekend the Crows AFL are knocked out of the finals. They send ALL players off for surgery/holidays etc, who then plays in the G/F, do we have to watch someone beat the Crows by 200points in what should be the showcase event of the SANFL season?

I just can not see how this doesnt ruin the integrity of the comp

If a side makes the GF they are not going to pull the players out to give them a 7 day head start on pre season

Thats right, the scenario im talking about has the G/F 14 days away

[JK]

Expect something like this to come out soon;
[url]http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/club%20images/attachments/Evolution.pdf[/url]

I actually went through the whole proposal, they neglect to mention the numbers of AFL listed players that wernt allowed tp play finals for their WAFL clubs.
I think this is the biggest issue any proposal faces.

Here's a scenario, The Crows SANFL team finishes top, they play in the 2nd semi-final and win easy through to the grand final. On the same weekend the Crows AFL are knocked out of the finals. They send ALL players off for surgery/holidays etc, who then plays in the G/F, do we have to watch someone beat the Crows by 200points in what should be the showcase event of the SANFL season?

I just can not see how this doesnt ruin the integrity of the comp

If a side makes the GF they are not going to pull the players out to give them a 7 day head start on pre season

Thats right, the scenario im talking about has the G/F 14 days away

Still wouldn't happen

[Dogwatcher]

That's alarmist in the extreme.

[SANFLnut]

With regard to SANFLfinals being compromised, I'd be willing to bet that when AFL reserves sides come in the timing of the season is altered and GF ends up two or three weeks earlier than it is now.

Our two AFL clubs have their roots in SANFL. They are a product and a part of Football in this state. Driving a giant wedge between our AFL clubs and the rest of football in this state won't help either side of that equation. This is an opportunity to make the AFL clubs play a bigger role in football development in this state.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

You will find that the SANFL Grand Final will be on the same weekend as the WAFL & VFL Grand Finals. One week before the AFL Grand Final. Thus no GF on the long weekend in SA. Both the WAFL & VFL start thier seasons before the SANFL.

[beenreal]

The whole "junior development" argument behind the Port Model (tm) is a gigantic furphy and you know it. Most juniors developed by Port will not play for the Power, being subject to the whims of the AFL draft. Most of them won't end up in the Magpies league team either, if there are a dozen AFL-listed blokes already filling the slots. Port is not proposing this out of simple altruism.

If you and yours were dinkum about development of juniors into league footballers, you'd demand the resurrection of the Magpies as a stand-alone club whose league team was the pinnacle of the development chain.

If Port were so concerned about junior development, they would give up their zone to the 8 other clubs.

You can't seriously believe that? If you reckon access to AFL standard physios, medical and the Darren Burgess fitness program isn't going to enhance the development of a young footballer you're kidding yourself. Again for anyone who cared to listen objectively, this was tabled by David Koch.

If that junior player sees an opportunity for a senior spot at Alberton, he'll stay. If not, other clubs will benefit.

Can't be fairer than that.

[am Bays]

Who/what will get to 100 first, this thread or an Australian batsman....

[Jim05]

The whole "junior development" argument behind the Port Model (tm) is a gigantic furphy and you know it. Most juniors developed by Port will not play for the Power, being subject to the whims of the AFL draft. Most of them won't end up in the Magpies league team either, if there are a dozen AFL-listed blokes already filling the slots. Port is not proposing this out of simple altruism.

If you and yours were dinkum about development of juniors into league footballers, you'd demand the resurrection of the Magpies as a stand-alone club whose league team was the pinnacle of the development chain.

If Port were so concerned about junior development, they would give up their zone to the 8 other clubs.

You can't seriously believe that? If you reckon access to AFL standard physios, medical and the Darren Burgess fitness program isn't going to enhance the development of a young footballer you're kidding yourself. Again for anyone who cared to listen objectively, this was tabled by David Koch.

If that junior player sees an opportunity for a senior spot at Alberton, he'll stay. If not, other clubs will benefit.

Can't be fairer than that.

How is that fair to the rest of the SANFL junior comp?
No other club has access to any of this.
This is why the merger should never of been allowed, your SANFL grades should not be allowed any access to AFL staff or facilities

[beenreal]

The whole "junior development" argument behind the Port Model (tm) is a gigantic furphy and you know it. Most juniors developed by Port will not play for the Power, being subject to the whims of the AFL draft. Most of them won't end up in the Magpies league team either, if there are a dozen AFL-listed blokes already filling the slots. Port is not proposing this out of simple altruism.

If you and yours were dinkum about development of juniors into league footballers, you'd demand the resurrection of the Magpies as a stand-alone club whose league team was the pinnacle of the development chain.

If Port were so concerned about junior development, they would give up their zone to the 8 other clubs.

You can't seriously believe that? If you reckon access to AFL standard physios, medical and the Darren Burgess fitness program isn't going to enhance the development of a young footballer you're kidding yourself. Again for anyone who cared to listen objectively, this was tabled by David Koch.

If that junior player sees an opportunity for a senior spot at Alberton, he'll stay. If not, other clubs will benefit.

Can't be fairer than that.

How is that fair to the rest of the SANFL junior comp?
No other club has access to any of this.
This is why the merger should never of been allowed, your SANFL grades should not be allowed any access to AFL staff or facilities

And there you have it. Junior development is all about what's good for the players, not what's "fair".

The fact you don't want junior footballers to have the best opportunities to kickstart their careers says more about you than it does about the PAFC

[gossipgirl]

Who/what will get to 100 first, this thread or an Australian batsman....

unfortunately I think this thread will reach 100 first and the word integrity will be miss used 100 times as well

[Booney]

Keeping in mind, junior and senior Magpie players would still only be part-time players.

They wouldn't work with the AFL fitness staff 5 days a week, 8 hours a day.

Sure, the program would be set out by senior fitness advisors, but it would only be based around the standard SANFL training times currently used.

[Booney]

Who/what will get to 100 first, this thread or an Australian batsman....

unfortunately I think this thread will reach 100 first and the word integrity will be miss used 100 times as well :shock:

Been thinking about this. People on here screaming "integrity" in every post and then they rejoice in the demise (or otherwise) of the Port Adelaide Magpies.